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RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V2

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stratofortress said:
edit: sorry, I'm a socially inept mess wanting to offload my own problems onto somebody who has plenty of their own.
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Since I have so much crap going on in my life I happily offer myself for loading dock if needed. Seriously. The best way to deal with problems is to help other people deal with shit... or whatever.

On topic - I have discovered that I don't drink alcohol that much while on EPH. I usually mix my red wine with water (so the taste won't be so heavy) and half a bottle per night... is quite okay. Without it I go really quickly to this dark place where you have to top up and top up and then paint some walls and again top up and then the paranoia hits and fuck, it's morning and so on. Alcohol makes it much more chill experience.

stratofortress said:
I need drugs like I need oxygen. why did i sign up to that rehab thing. fuck fuck fuck
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Try to take it as a fancy vacation and trip to "the other side"... I would definitely take it as my next book. If writing isn't your thing, maybe you can imagine it as a research for that movie you will one day make. Or just detox. A break. Find out what YOU are WITHOUT anything in your system. It might be pretty interesting thing to discover.

Man, I have been on drugs or meds or both for almost 14 years. I have no idea what I am without nothing... Maybe I should also "take a vacation"... Hm...
 
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Fuck, some real conversation... feeling :)

I'm the same.
I've been through some "rehab".
It's a vacation from the vacation you're taking on the chems. Sometimes you need a break. I'd bet most people here aren't here on a purely rational basis, interested only in the chemical effects on the mind. People here are probably looking for alternatives, pleasure, escape... these motives come with their own stories. Personally, not many people are on my "wavelength" (interpret that as you will) and that brings a sense of alienation & dysphoria to life. How to give up these things (the chems) when they bring a relatively easy break to these kinds of difficulties?

There's always some alternative to the alternative (I found mine in playing wargames and doing exercises... seriously! one was frivolous and unimportant, the other makes me feel accomplished & healthy) and it doesn't necessarily mean giving up these interesting, pleasant, fun substances forever.

Good luck stratofortress! and it is great to see people here willing to talk with stratofortress too. Kudos to you all, brave and adventurous fellow psychonauts! :)
 
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Well... for me its the rush that pulls me back. I try to be as careful and moderate and aware as possible... but i know there isn't a substitutes for the rush. And I truly like being a psychonaut - sometimes. An escape. But sometimes is never just sometimes for me...

But yes, the only thing that helps staying clean is to find something else to drown yourself in. sport is good choice.
 
I've been experimenting a lot with EPH and it's uses as a social drug. EPH* + alcohol (or some benzos) (start with lowish doses of both, you'll save money and avoid most bad effects. If it's not enough you can always take more next time.) is a really nice combination for me. Really combines the good effects of both while hiding the bad. Makes me both enjoy talking to people, more assertive (in a good way, not 'lets start fights because he looked me funny' and shit like that) and more outgoing much more then either alone (alcohol alone = just want to drink more and talk stupid shit with friends, eph alone = just want to get shit (work, read a book, whatever grabs my attention done). And I don't get any hagnovers since I don't drink nearly as much. Sleep is also ok, probably because I take my last dose of EPH 3-4h before I intend to sleep and because there is still some alcohol when I go to bed. Just remember, what works for me, may not work for you.

*I use it orally and don't even try to chase the rush so there isn't real desire to redose, but if you like other routes of administration go ahead and try
 
I've never done ethyl before, but at raves i get a bit sick of drinking too much. I usually have about 4 / 5 beers spaced over 4-5 hours or so. Then i end up really tired and can't dance for the rest of the night (about another 3 and a half hours lets say)
So. I was thinking of snorting a tiny, tiny line of this stuff for the last 3 hours of the night - just to give me a little kick up the backside and keep me moving for the rest of the rave. Red bull (caffeine) does nothing for me when i get tired.
-- Is this a good idea? and if so how should i space the tiny lines out ? (and how many should i do)

Thanks
 
hard to say i mean ive been in that situation having been drinking and always take too much. i think orally would be better roa. the thing is you can do a bit too much and the anxiety symptoms might lead to you doing more, its hard to say really.
 
if youre having nasty side effects from this drug, it is LIKELY:

a) you dont have ethylphenidate
b) you are taking TOO MUCH ethylphenidate

try smaller doses, and by smaller i mean a few specs of dust on your palm, lick it, and shove it under your tongue like a suboxone film (right after an ethanol based mouthwash rinse). then wait at least an hour before you take more. dont blame ethylphenidate if youre taking too much.
 
Yeh, i don't have scales and have never done it before. All i need is something a little stronger than caffeine to keep me going for those last 3 hours and not turn me into a gurning mess.
Maybe a tiny pinch of it thrown into a beer ?
 
Last rave I went to I drank 100mg mixed with water. Kept me going from 10pm to 4am.
 
the point is that this isnt really much of a recreational substance.

it's a ritalin ester. it's much like ritalin. if you've ever taken TOO MUCH ritalin you know what that is like (sweaty, uncomfortable, heart pounding, etc), and that is how people are describing the effects of 'ethylin' (ethylphenidate). chances are, they're taking too much.

i find hardly any recreational value to it. it's like ritalin to me, but better, because apparently has less effect (or more effect) on dopamine reuptake and greater (or less effect) on NE reuptake.

* ethylphenidate, from several studies, has shown to allow dopamine to 'linger' in the synapse longer, and nor-epinephrine: not so much. this is why i beleive i enjoy ethylphenidate over methylphenidate. (i'm presuming)

it takes a while to understand this substance; most people claiming to have ingested xx mg are likely not using a scale at all and more or less taking a shot in the dark from a visual aspect (remember it's dark... the shot... 'visual'... ahhahaha yeah...) of a near pure substance.

if you know how much you have total, a rough estimate could be made i suppose on a dose.

i used to get nasty side effects like everyone describes here, until i started lowering my dose *significantly*, and taking it sublingually after, like i said, and ethanol based mouth wash. that, and re-dosing at a minimum of 2 hours... the same way...

i have also found value in adding, like the above poster, around 50mg to a drink and sipping it while studying (over a 3-4 hours at least).

this keeps me awake if im partying, and it helps me study... it's almost identical to ritalin, too me. in fact, there is almost no doubt in my mind it goes through the same pathway, with the majority of the effect coming from ritalinic acid, just like methylphenidate/ritalin... but i presume the ratio is different... ritalinic acid seems to have the most of the negative effects, and as you move up to methyl and ethyl groups you move away from the NE synapse loitering and more towards the dopamine hang-out...



best of luck to ya'll... stop taking so much... dont snort it at all... redose after 2 hours AT LEAST... and sublingual that shit after mouthwash...

note: all of ^that^ is from both my experience with the substance, and information from medical journals/articles i have read which i have posted in numerous places...
 
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taking it sublingually after, like i said, and ethanol based mouth wash.
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Are you experiencing any unpleasant side effects via this ROA, like sore spots under the tounge or something like the stuff it does to your nose? I only took it sublingually once and didn't experience the "burning" etc that some people seem to get, but i did notice the next day that there was clearly some impact on the tissue because you could easily see where exactly i put the ethylphenidate. There was a little spot that was of a slightly different colour and seemed a bit "rough" (don't know if that's the right word) when touched.
Also i would like to know why it's so important that the mouthwash is ethanol based and how long you keep the substance under the tounge.
 
I tried sub-lingual once, not that diferent than oral, except that the spot where I held the crystals was a little numb for some time after.


Are there any other rc with effects simmilar to EPH (to the mods, sorry if this falls under the 'recommend me a drug' that is prohibited)?
How are your experiences with it?
 
After long perioids of ethylphenidate-use i get really sore hands. The skin comes off a bit on some spots and there are many sensible spots that hurt (esp. if they come in contact with hot or cold water etc). Is that normal or do any of you experience something like that? Maybe it's just a thing that happens when you use stimulants a lot. I wouldn't know that because my stimulant time was long ago and never that extreme.

Maybe it's some kind of vitamin-deficit or something like that? Or maybe i should consider the possibility that the ethylphenidate itself causes it, because the hands come in contact with it quite often and the substance could also be damaging the skin like it does the nose etc?
 
i use mouth wash because the compound is going to disolve better in ethanol than h2o. plus ethanol slips right through cell membranes... consider it an intermedium for
'ethylin'. and yes, good eph will leave a mark under your tongue... that's how you know it's decent.

id be willin to put a nickel on the fact that the UK wouldnt be so uptight about things if it wasnt coined ETHYLCAINE. a simple slogan name like that can ruin something decent...

what if it was called ethyuprofen... id probably still have a sore under-tongue... now i have to dump money on a real doctor and go on the NORMAL stuff again... yuck
 
grumpygrouse said:
Since I have so much crap going on in my life I happily offer myself for loading dock if needed. Seriously. The best way to deal with problems is to help other people deal with shit... or whatever.

On topic - I have discovered that I don't drink alcohol that much while on EPH. I usually mix my red wine with water (so the taste won't be so heavy) and half a bottle per night... is quite okay. Without it I go really quickly to this dark place where you have to top up and top up and then paint some walls and again top up and then the paranoia hits and fuck, it's morning and so on. Alcohol makes it much more chill experience.



Try to take it as a fancy vacation and trip to "the other side"... I would definitely take it as my next book. If writing isn't your thing, maybe you can imagine it as a research for that movie you will one day make. Or just detox. A break. Find out what YOU are WITHOUT anything in your system. It might be pretty interesting thing to discover.

Man, I have been on drugs or meds or both for almost 14 years. I have no idea what I am without nothing... Maybe I should also "take a vacation"... Hm...
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this reminds me of the night before I went to rehab for the first time, I was hanging out with a good friend (who saved my life once, the kid I was with was too scared to call 911 and I'd OD'd on heroin. he called and I just barely made it) and I was in a similar place to where you are now. I said "oh man what am I going to do at this rehab" getting really anxious and shit, and he just said "I don't know man, just hang out and watch the last castle or something". it made me realize that I'm not making any serious life changing commitment, I'm just going to go and see what happens. I clearly needed help at the time or I wouldn't have gone, and I made the choice to try something out for myself. although the sobriety didn't quite take (it didn't for anyone else I've ever met in rehab either) and I had to go to numerous other ones in the future, my first time at rehab was not a huge deal. I was going through bad PAWS from benzos and I realized a lot of things while I was there. it was a good experience even though I still got high afterwards, and it was a break from what I was doing so I could get my shit together a bit. Just go and listen to what they have to say, make some friends, try and help out someone else who is going through a difficult time. Even if you don't stay 100% sober for the rest of your life you can honestly say you took a step towards changing your life.
 
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