RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V2

[Morkin]

Good points about rehab, down508 - I agree.

I take it, then, that people here have found Eth. habit forming? Can't say I'm there yet.

 

[crazycatman]

Good points about rehab, down508 - I agree.

I take it, then, that people here have found Eth. habit forming? Can't say I'm there yet.

Longest I used if for about 3 weeks. Stopping wasn't hard, maybe fell a little more tired than usual for a few days. Maybe longer use/higher doses are worse.

I agree with this, much shittier version of EPH.

+1

compared to eph, mpa feels just shitty to me. Stimulation is still there, but none of the nice dopaminergic effects.
Maybe it would be a better functional stim, but eph does that just fine if you keep your doses low.

 

[stratofortress]

Ow. I've been trying to take it easy with this current gram I have, so have been sticking to orally taking the stuff. I've taken probably 300mg over the course of 7 hours, and my 'abdominal area' is killing me. Really bad cramps. I've had this happen a few times with EPH dosed orally, and am wondering if anyone else experiences this, or has any tips to counteract it? I've tried lowering my stomach pH with bicarbonate of soda, to no effect (on reflection this may only increase the discomfort - because ethylphenidate 'burns' i assume it's an acid. But then strongly alkaline chemicals also burn don't they? My chemistry isn't even good enough to work out if EPH is acid or alkali.)

Re: EPH vs MPA. Whilst really high once I was writing something about EPH, touching at one point about its popularity. Being no stranger to pointless time consuming tasks, i did a very rough comparison of the interest generated online between these 2 RC's. If popularity is anything to go by, the results are conclusive - EPH is the 'better' drug:

"As any online researcher into psychoactives will know, there are many more sites than this one providing forums where discussion of drugs is the sites' main purpose. Hell, I doubt Bluelight is even the biggest, and it alone has 2 versions of an EPH 'mega-thread', not to mention vast numbers of threads concerning this substance (a search through all forums and posts for the key-words 'ethylphenidate' and 'EPH', yields 433 threads -ranging in size from 1 reply to 1,005 over 41 pages in the mega-thread v.1 - containing discussion of EPH. By comparison, the Methiopropamine N-Methyl – 2 – Thienyl [or MPA as it's more conveniently known]) mega-thread contains some 998 replies over 40 pages and only one version, started almost exactly 1 year before the EPH m.t. [20/10/2010 - MPA; 24/10/2011 – EPH]. I am comparing interest between EPH and MPA as the latter is promoted as an alternative to methamphetamine, another illicit stimulant; therefore one could assume the two drugs would have similar levels of interest amongst RC users seeking a stimulant type high)."

 

[lynx2051]

Fuck life, been taking pryazolam and etizolam all day after being fired from my job this morning. Now I'm on a lovely bottle of red wine. Now I'm gonna sniff a nice line of Ethylphenidate. LIVE IS GOING SOOO, SOOOO WELL FOR ME RIGHT NOW!!!

Besides losing my job I've also lost my ipod. Pish on life now, tired of it!

I'm sorry I sound like a miserable bastard.

 

[crazycatman]

Not so much miserable as high

How's the pryazolam compared to etizolam?

 

[lynx2051]

Much less sedating, no warm glow or dopiness like etizolam. It reminds me of Phenazepam but lasts about 6 hours and not 60.

 

[brighton]

Hey, just wanting to know a good ORAL dose for ethylphenidate, Ill be out dancing all night, so I was thinking somewhere around 50mg.
And it has to be an oral dose as I cant snort and plugging isnt really acceptable on the dancefloor thanks!

 

[crazycatman]

Much less sedating, no warm glow or dopiness like etizolam. It reminds me of Phenazepam but lasts about 6 hours and not 60.

Thanks mate.

Hey, just wanting to know a good ORAL dose for ethylphenidate, Ill be out dancing all night, so I was thinking somewhere around 50mg.
And it has to be an oral dose as I cant snort and plugging isnt really acceptable on the dancefloor thanks!

50mg re-dosed (the later doses can be a bit lower if you want to play it safe) every 3-4h is a nice dose for me, especially if I haven't taken it for a few weeks. This is eph only, mixed with some downers the doses get higher fast.

 

[Morkin]

Hey, just wanting to know a good ORAL dose for ethylphenidate, Ill be out dancing all night, so I was thinking somewhere around 50mg.
And it has to be an oral dose as I cant snort and plugging isnt really acceptable on the dancefloor thanks!

50-100 is good. Take magnesium for your jaw clenching & some chewing gum.

 

[Conquer9]

Anyone wanna explain what the fuck is happening with me?

First off, I have a prescription for Ritalin. I took it for about 6 months last year (20mg 2x a day). Near the end of my use, I noticed that some of the effects I only had while on Ritalin (rigid face, monotone, trouble with eye contact, voice was whispery) began to occur a bit even when I wasn't on Ritalin. Annoyed, I ceased use cold-turkey, and I went completely back to normal in 2-3 weeks.

Near the end of that period (so last year around November) I remember coming back from a party after ingesting like 3 or so beers. Determined to keep the buzz going despite my lack of alcohol, I popped 20mg of Ritalin. Within 30 minutes I had the best euphoria I've ever experienced, it was great. A bit of research the next day indicated that I had been under the effects of ethylphenidate, which as you all know is metabolized by the liver when you combine ethanol and methylphenidate.

Cut to last Saturday. I haven't used any drugs for a year except for one incident of DXM (it's shit) and 10mg of hydrocodone. I was about to head off to a party when I suddenly remembered what I read about ethylphenidate. I grabbed 15mg of methylphenidate (I never got rid of that stuff) and headed off. When I got there, I ingested the 15mg of methylphenidate. I then began pounding down bottled Budlites. After 3, I noticed that I didn't really feel anything other than the standard alcohol buzz. I ended up drinking 3 more beers. Basically, I drank 6 beers + 15mg methylphenidate within the course of 2.5 hours.

I woke up the next day dizzy, light-headed, unstable, and with a bit of drunk vision. It also increased my tinnitus. Fine, a hangover. That would make sense, especially considering I had drank on Friday too. I hydrated myself and ate some food and forgot about.

It has been 8 days now. The dizziness went away but I still feel unstable and my vision is the same (drunk vision, like after 3 beers), plus I still have the tinnitus. The instability is best described as being drunk also. You know how after a few beers or shots your body gets kinda loose? You're not stumbling around and you can still walk in a straight line but you're definitely feeling loose... it's kind of like that, though no one seems to have noticed it or pointed it out. My extremities, specifically my hands and legs, also feel weak. Anyone wanna explain what's going? My past history of drug use is minimal and unremarkable, just Ritalin for the half a year or so I needed it.

Thanks.

 

[Movemauser]

Hi all. I'm going to be researching Ethylphenidate over the coming weekend, in combo with MDAI. With some help I've decided on about a 4:1 MDAI:ETH ratio to keep the Eth from overpowering the experience. What I haven't decided on is whether or not to use a small anti-anxiety dose of Etizolam (say 0.5mg-1mg) beforehand. Does anyone know of any problems that this might cause?

Also, if anyone's interested, I asked the supplier if they knew whether their Eth may contain leftover Ethyl Phenylacetate from the synthesis. (I read in one thread that this turned up in someones order and may be responsible for burning/corrosive effects.) They said their testers use a 1H NMR (?) test and they are not aware of any... but couldn't be 100%. They told me they will get their latest batch tested for it and let me know. Obviously I won't name the supplier, but it might give an idea of what's out there.

Anyway, long-ish post! Any help with the Etizolam question much appreciated. Will report after the weekend. Ta!

 

[Movemauser]

Anyone wanna explain what the fuck is happening with me?
[...] Anyone wanna explain what's going? My past history of drug use is minimal and unremarkable, just Ritalin for the half a year or so I needed it.
Thanks.

Conquer - wow, I leaped in with my post without reading yours properly. Clearly I've no experience with the substances you're talking about, but sounds like you need to get medical help quickly. Unless you're feeling better now... certainly hope you are.

Can you give an update?

 

[i are spectre]

50mg is too high of a starting dose. 50-100mg is too high.

start lower, like 10 or 20mg...

 

[pbuilder]

I've found I don't really enjoy this anymore, even with alcohol. However, it goes great with poppy tea and I'm assuming all opiates. Just a small 10-20mg bump every few hours synergizes a nice, light stim euphoria.

 

[Conquer9]

Conquer - wow, I leaped in with my post without reading yours properly. Clearly I've no experience with the substances you're talking about, but sounds like you need to get medical help quickly. Unless you're feeling better now... certainly hope you are.

Can you give an update?

Hi Movemauser, I appreciate the concern. I went to the ENT 2 days after the incident to see if he had any ideas on the balance/tinnitus. All he said was that due to receptor down regulation (or up regulation?) a sudden usage of Ritalin like what I took might have more pronounced effects than it would during normal usage. Anyway I am gonna head to a GP soon. In the mean time I'll list my symptoms and their current status:

- "Body looseness"/lack of coordination: the same. Well, may have gotten *slightly* better, that or I'm just learning to compensate for it
- Dizziness: gone, mostly
- "Drunk vision" eyesight: the same, maybe better?
- Headaches/head pressure: gone
- Hands/legs feel weak: the same, if not worse. My hands sometimes shake a little bit.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/425571-dopamine-deficiency-signs-and-symptoms/

I should also add that since the incident I have been getting about 3-5 hours of sleep every night, which probably hasn't helped the situation. Whether my new symptoms are due to my acute lack of sleep or not is

I am theorizing here but I hope I return to normal once my dopamine levels stabilize in a few weeks, though how one use of ethylphenidate could affect these levels so much is beyond me...

 

[Movemauser]

I am theorizing here but I hope I return to normal once my dopamine levels stabilize in a few weeks, though how one use of ethylphenidate could affect these levels so much is beyond me...

Ethylphenidate is stated to be a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, so causes your synapses to raise their dopamine levels. If there is any kind of rebound effect afterwards then I guess this could cause what you're describing.

I know it's easy to say, but in your situation I would try not to even drink or smoke for a few weeks. If you get loads of healthy food and moderate exercise, you're giving yourself the best chance. Kinda obvious I guess, but doesn't hurt to say it!

Best of luck with it - let us know how you're doing.

 

[Somberlain]

Will be outlawed where i live soon. (But "soon" can mean anything from 3-4 weeks up to 1-2 years. They're pretty slow when it comes to such things here - the "upside" to a bureaucracy gone wild.)

I'm surprised it took them this long but it's kind of sad because ethylphenidate seems to be the stimulant i always wanted. It seems that everything that has a stronger effect on norepinephrine isn't working for me because of side-effects (and i usually don't like the main effects either) and i don't even try stuff that messes with serotonin at all anymore. So heavy effects on the dopamine- and a little bit on the norepinephrine-side to spice things up seems perfect for me, but only once i found the self-discipline to treat the substance with the respect it needs to be treated with to maintain a healthy way of using it.

On the other side there may be long-term effects we don't know about yet. So maybe it's better for me this way, because i think i would have continued taking it for a long time if it stayed available.

 

[Movemauser]

Hey Somberlain - sorry to hear that. Which country are you in?

As you say, might be best in the long run. It was like that with me n Meph in 2010.

I'm about to use ethylphenidate for the first time soon. Gonna be combining with mdai and will have some etizolam on standby.

Have you got any words of wisdom for a eth newbie?

 

[Somberlain]

Germany. Pretty strict drug laws in general, but rather slow when it comes to new substances.

Urm.. i don't have any experience with mdai - so i can't comment on combining these substances. But i have to say that i think it's never a good idea to combine anything if you haven't tried all of the substances on their own first. Combining RCs in general is questionable - but i think when you want to try it anyway it would be highly recommendable to try the substance you don't have experience with first to see how your body reacts so you have at least some kind of idea what the outcome may be.

 

[David the Chansey]

Germany. Pretty strict drug laws in general, but rather slow when it comes to new substances.

Urm.. i don't have any experience with mdai - so i can't comment on combining these substances. But i have to say that i think it's never a good idea to combine anything if you haven't tried all of the substances on their own first. Combining RCs in general is questionable - but i think when you want to try it anyway it would be highly recommendable to try the substance you don't have experience with first to see how your body reacts so you have at least some kind of idea what the outcome may be.

I agree. I tried MDAI and MPA seperately a few times before I combo'd them, and I'm quite glad, because I decided to lower my MPA dose with MDAI.