RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V1

[pbuilder]

Anyone else noticed chest pain that starts during a binge and then lasts for days if not a week or longer after an EPH binge?

 

[JedTheHumanoid]

Anyone else noticed chest pain that starts during a binge and then lasts for days if not a week or longer after an EPH binge?

I had some chest pain that started during a binge has lasted on and off for quite some time now... Went to GP and luckily turned out to be ligament trouble as I was convinced I had permanently damaged myself! Embarked on another run today...

 

[daytryptr]

Anyone else noticed chest pain that starts during a binge and then lasts for days if not a week or longer after an EPH binge?

I've had it happen to me a few times. It was scary enough to turn me off EPH for a bit, but after revisiting it later when i was doing hard cardio a few hours a week i haven't noticed it anymore. Could be angina, or muscle tension in your chest making you think its your heart but thats not the case.

I tend to lean more towards angina. Just be careful and don't binge for extended periods where thats the only time your "exercising" your heart.

 

[pbuilder]

I'm figuring it is possibly angina, that or muscle tension, that's why I stopped for a while even tho I got a half g collecting dust. I've had the samething happen once after a night of coke and on the seventh day I finally went to the ER and had an EKG and other tests done which turned out fine, so they pinned it on anxiety, gave me 2mgs of lorazepam and sent me home. Oddly after that visit it was gone the next day, that's why I don't even see the pointing of going to the ER again to hear the same shit. If it gets any worse though and lasts too much longer I'll see a doc again though. Since I heard angina isn't something an EKG can necessarily catch.

 

[missimoo]

I used to have a BIG cocaine habit for years. I did an 3-4 grams a day just to function, more to party. and this was good coke. not the shit that you get nowdays. it ruined my life. Ethylphenidate is probably as if not more addictive. foolishly i have taken it a few times now, and the pattern of behaviour is just the same, only EPH seems worse, its harder on the nose, like nothing i have ever snorted before, it burns it to bits. a session leaves you raw. i instantly love and hate it.

in low doses it can help you get things done, but its too easy to redose and end up bingeing. on several occasions i have ended up doing all nighters just like i used to on coke. with a lot of hypertension.

i have read a thread about mixing it with benzocaine or lidocaine or DMC to avoid the pain. i have tried it with DMC, and it stops the pain, but after a couple of lines (and an amazing high) i felt my heart really starting to go for it, so im guessing this is a really bad idea. nice though it is. I plan on trying it with a mix of benzocaine that might be less heavy on the heart? any ideas on this?

over all i think this is a bad RC. i regret trying it and now that i have i have an instant taste for it.

one one occasion where several of us had a session of EPH (just EPH), the next day i had the worst pain ever in my legs, like id pulled muscles. and a sever pain in my liver. i had taken 1g over a 24 hour period. this was maybe my second time taking it, so i didnt have much tolerance. i was severely poisoned. or so it felt. one of the worst come downs ever. sleep was impossible for about 48 hours even with benzos.

think carefully before you try this one.

 

[Cyanoide]

I've had it happen to me a few times. It was scary enough to turn me off EPH for a bit, but after revisiting it later when i was doing hard cardio a few hours a week i haven't noticed it anymore. Could be angina, or muscle tension in your chest making you think its your heart but thats not the case.

I tend to lean more towards angina. Just be careful and don't binge for extended periods where thats the only time your "exercising" your heart.

I often get heart palpitations a few days after a binge. They can last for a few days. They're scary as hell but I had my heart checked recently and it was OK. When the EPH is gone from the body I usually take beta blockers if I get these palpitations, bisoprolol is extremely effective (and also cardioprotective, much more powerful than e.g. propranolol, I can barely feel my heart beat on bisoprolol). But I really mean days after a binge, beta blockers are extremely dangerous with EPH.

 

[pbuilder]

Also this stim is weird as fuck when smoked. I read a bit earlier in this thread where someone posted when they Iv low to medium doses they feel a tired nod effect, and only get a stimmy rush when they Iv large doses. Well I experimented with a bit more of the smoked roa with this drug and I've just gotten the oddest effect from smoking it.

Previously I attempted to smoke it via chasing it off foil and the smoke was simply just to harsh from even just my 1 and only attempt to smoke about 20mgs.

So what I did today was empty the tip of a cig, and put about 20-25 mgs right at the tip, and then lit it and inhaled a few solid tokes. I got the weirdest sedating rush, I pretty much immediately just felt like closing my eyes and nodding out as the rush went through my body. It didn't feel stimmy at all, and only after like 10 mins the stim effects began to be felt. But before that my eyes and head almost just felt forced to sit still, close my eyes and just chill listening to my music. Weird as fuck... Almost like a paradoxal effect.

Also I wanna once again state that doing this stuff sober just provides a jittery, over stimulated anxious high, but if you get a decent drunkenness /buzz going from alcohol before u do a line, the high then feels so incredibly close to the high from alcohol and coke. Love/hate relationship with this chem.

Cause the half life is far longer then coke so even tho the euphoria is gone ur still stimmed as fuck, so spacing ur redoses by a minimum of ATLEAST 2 hours is crucial, preferably 4 hours to avoid the nasty side effects that accumulate when u redose to often.

 

[Josair]

Ok, I will admit i have not access to a scale in these weeks (thinking about what to buy...). I've snorted EPH hoping to find a study/work aid, but I think that EPH just fails at that.
Yes, it will (probably) help keeping me awake if I stay up all night, but I feel no real stimulation from snorting what i believe to be ~30 mg. I will confirm it as soon as I will get my scale, though.
Today I've tried when I was well rested. A bit of euphoria, sure, but no boost in focus, nor it was a work aid.

Besides, I feel some stomach discomfort even when I /snort/ it, and I find it to be somewhat anorectic - anyone can confirm this two side effects?

Anyway, it feels very clean. I am maybe overdosing, as I feel clearer (but less euphoric) 30 mins/1 h after snorting. No crash at all, ever. And, like most people said, it hurts your nose, it really does, even if you crush it to very fine powder...

 

[Coveman]

Ok, I will admit i have not access to a scale in these weeks (thinking about what to buy...). I've snorted EPH hoping to find a study/work aid, but I think that EPH just fails at that.
Yes, it will (probably) help keeping me awake if I stay up all night, but I feel no real stimulation from snorting what i believe to be ~30 mg. I will confirm it as soon as I will get my scale, though.
Today I've tried when I was well rested. A bit of euphoria, sure, but no boost in focus, nor it was a work aid.

Besides, I feel some stomach discomfort even when I /snort/ it, and I find it to be somewhat anorectic - anyone can confirm this two side effects?

Anyway, it feels very clean. I am maybe overdosing, as I feel clearer (but less euphoric) 30 mins/1 h after snorting. No crash at all, ever. And, like most people said, it hurts your nose, it really does, even if you crush it to very fine powder...

You probably wont find any RC that can be used as a study aid. Your best bet is something like Adderall or other stims that are given to ADD/ADHD users.

 

[lynx2051]

Use mitrazapine for the comedown, it just instantly knocks you out.

 

[pbuilder]

Use mitrazapine for the comedown, it just instantly knocks you out.

Never heard of it before, but from a quick search it appears to be an odd precription drug that most people probabley couldn't get a hold of. Also, I don't think it would really be ideal because of its serotonergic effects, and the fact that it is used as an anti-depressant. Normal benzo's that act simply on the gaba receptors would be more ideal, why add in a drug that has the potential for brain zaps etc during discontinuation and withdrawal. Alprazolam, diazepam, etizolam etc. would all seem to be more simple, easily accessible choices.

 

[Lady Codone]

For some reason I feel like ethylphen is really hard on the heart. I've tried a LOT of RC stims and it's the only one besides MDPV to cause palpitations, shortness of breath and a feeling of panic on the comedown. My muscles feel weak and I feel faint after taking it. May just be a hunch but I'm rarely wrong about my own body. Please be careful.

 

[FlyinHigh82]

Today I have been insufflating a mixture of ethylphenidate and benzocaine in a 4:1 ratio.
If you are a regular user then I highly recommend this mixture.
It has entirely removed any pain caused by the ethylphenidate.
Benzocaine is very inexpensive, I acquired ten grams for £15.

Please note, you must douche your nostrils before every insufflation and agian once the drug is absorbed.
The key to preventing damage is to insufflate with moist nostrils.
Benzocaine will stop pain but will only mask damage.

Bad idea, IMO. Pain is the body's way of telling us something is wrong. Mixing benzocaine with it might result in you insufflating way too much because you're unaware your body is screaming at you to STOP!

Plugging seems to be the safest and best way to take this stuff. But if you're gonna take heaps of it or use it daily, I reckon any ROA is bound to cause some damage.

 

[daytryptr]

I find plugging the best ROA as far as efficiency/potency/and HR.

No pain, or irritation so long as you don't go overboard and plug upwards of 75-100mg over a 12h period, spaced out in 15-20mg doses. IME its 2-3x as potent as oral, mabey 2/3 the duration, kicks in 3-4x faster, and perhaps slightly more potent than nasally, but without any of the pain/irritation/damage.

This is coming from someone who's used EPH moderately (few times a week ~50mg per session plugged) over a few months and did not notice any irritation/damage in my rectum over that period of time. Insuffulation tears my nose up after a few lines, perhaps its due to liquid vs. powder hitting the membrane. Might be interesting to dissolve some eph in a nasal mister and dose it that way, perhaps its less harmful to the mucous membrane in the nostrils that way. It worked pretty good for PV when i tried that.

Also, for those of you who are experiencing cardio-stress, how often do you work out a week (1hr hard cardio/workout session)?

I've noticed that if I do cardio at least 3 times a week, its MUCH less stressful using EPH than if i wasn't taking care of myself and not exercising. Granted, its not a good idea to exercise heavily just so you can dose higher, or when on stimulants in general, but moderate usage combined with a good amount of exercise weekly and i don't get angina/vasoconstriction, or if i do its mild. Nothing an asprin/otc dietary/supplemental vasodialator can't alleviate. That seems to work across the board with stims ime, makes sense too, iirc regular exercise has an overall vasodialatory affect on the cardiovascular system.

Finally, has anyone tried bucal/sublingual administration?

I assume it would burn pretty bad/be painful, but still. Should be alot more potent than oral, on par with nasal/plugged.

 

[Bone14]

Maybe I'm asking a stupid question here, but, if Ethylphenidate is can be created by combining Methylphenidate + Ethanol, wouldn't it make this compound safe like methylphenidate?

 

[David the Chansey]

I wouldn't have thought so. There are many drugs that are deemed to be safe but can be lethal when combined with alcohol. This isn't to say that ethylphenidate isn't safe, however.

 

[worriedworried]

Hi guys, I am in the US and several months ago I ordered a small amount of ethylphenidate from a reputable RC manufacturer. It never arrived. I am really scared it was intercepted by the mail or the DEA or whatever and that I am going to be charged with a crime under the Federal Analog Act. I also never received a so-called love letter from the DEA. Does anyone know someone who has gotten in trouble like this before? Is there a statute of limitations, and when does it begin to run? I wish I had never even done this in the first place.

 

[knock]

I wouldn't have thought so. There are many drugs that are deemed to be safe but can be lethal when combined with alcohol. This isn't to say that ethylphenidate isn't safe, however.

I think you've missed the point. When methylphenidate users drink alcohol they produce ethylphenidate. Alcohol is not contraindicated for methylphenidate users. We don't hear horror stories about methylphenidate using drunks causing themselves health problems. Logic suggests ethylphenidate is not particularly dangerous. (it's just a suggestion though, there may be some other mechanism in play when ethylphenidate is consumed directly that causes harm).

 

[David the Chansey]

I think you've missed the point. When methylphenidate users drink alcohol they produce ethylphenidate. Alcohol is not contraindicated for methylphenidate users. We don't hear horror stories about methylphenidate using drunks causing themselves health problems. Logic suggests ethylphenidate is not particularly dangerous. (it's just a suggestion though, there may be some other mechanism in play when ethylphenidate is consumed directly that causes harm).

I'm sorry but I don't see how I missed the point haha.

I don't believe that "it is metabolised from mph and alcohol so it is safe" is a true statement.

 

[knock]

I'm sorry but I don't see how I missed the point haha.

Because you said many drugs are deemed safe, but lethal when combined with alcohol. I don't see how that is relevant to the question of ethylphenidate safety

I don't believe that "it is metabolised from mph and alcohol so it is safe" is a true statement.

Maybe, maybe not! I think that's the question though. Can it be extrapolated? If not, why not?

Bearing in mind that, since methylphenidate is a prescription medication, it has been tested in users of alcohol, in whom ethylphenidate will have been produced, and since methylphenidate does not have an alcohol contraindication*, presumably they suffered no significant ill effect.



* actually, the NHS (UK) say "In the case of Methylphenidate hydrochloride, this medicine may interact with alcohol. It is best to avoid drinking alcohol while you are taking this medicine." Anyone have info from the US? I think it's much more widely prescribed over there.