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The EADD I'm Fucked Thread V. Post Lost in the 5th Dimension

+ the issue of people with huge stashes of once legal benzos, ending up with their habits worsening ebcause they have thousands of cheap benzos lying around their house........ it is a problem thats gonna harm a lot of people.
 
Ceres said:
+ the issue of people with huge stashes of once legal benzos, ending up with their habits worsening ebcause they have thousands of cheap benzos lying around their house........ it is a problem thats gonna harm a lot of people.
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This definitely - I can't imagine myelf doing a sensible taper with a massive benzo supply if I was still in the position I was in a year ago with them. I'm not sure how big an issue the whole RC benzo supply cessation is actually going to cause. While there were obviously a few people on here quite seriously dependent, bluelight isn't really a great representation of the general public. I knew plenty of people buying RC benzos at uni and using them primarily for comedowns after nights out, but I only knew one other person in real life that got dependent and he got free of them a year or so before I did (albeit the last I saw of him he was drinking pretty heavily). Plus, I imagine a lot of the really dependent RC benzo users are probably the types of people who know how to access DNMs. I predict there will be few enough cases of RC benzo dependent people running into issues post ban that we'll never hear about the extent of it, but I'll swallow my words if I turn out to be wrong.

Ceres, did you try the 5-meo-DMT? We need conclusive answers on the god molecule now that G is out of the picture :D
 
Anyone, what would be the recommendation for something in the lysergic family that would produce a short trip? Or are Psilocybin mushrooms a better choice?
 
Tinker55 said:
Anyone, what would be the recommendation for something in the lysergic family that would produce a short trip? Or are Psilocybin mushrooms a better choice?
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AL-LAD if you're intent on going down the lysergimide route, personally I found it fun but a little lackluster compared to 1p-LSD/LSD-25. Lasted about 8-10 hours if memory serves me, I'm not aware of any shorter acting lysergimides, never tried LSZ but I think that was a longer one.

Mushrooms or one of the 4-sub'd tryptamines would probably be a better shout if a short trip is really important to you, quite a different trip though.
 
It's been years for either, but if I did trip, I think a shorter version rather than a 10 hour commitment might be a better idea.
 
Tinker55 said:
It's been years for either, but if I did trip, I think a shorter version rather than a 10 hour commitment might be a better idea.
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Fair enough, it might be worth having a search or waiting for someone else to chime in as I can't actually remember for sure how long AL-LAD was. If you go for a tryptamine, 4-ho-MET might be worth looking into. Its about 5 hours oral and a lot less head fucky than shrooms. Suppose it really depends on what you're looking to get out of the trip.
 
As I remember, low dose shrooms were very sparkly, lots of giggles. A little more and it became introspection but again, very upbeat. Just looking for a change in perspective without losing the plot.
 
Synth noids were the physical straw that broke the camels back as they did pose a serious public helth risk.

However ,when it comes to to the in-drenched psychological propaganda that the government have used to justify to the absolute abomination that LSD belongs in Class A of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 - and when AL-LAD and I think it was LSZ subsequently became available on the clearnet NPS scene, they picked up on both compunds as soon as they started to have an impact on NPS use, as they realised they were looking at alternative versions of LSD - a drug that they had spent 40 years convincing the public was as harmful as heroin or cocaine use, so, despite the official ACMD report that stated that BOTH AL_LAD and LZD posed no harm whatsoever to the the general population, both drugs were included in Class A of the MODA 1971 as soon as was possible for the government to do so.

It may have been the syn-noids that posed the clear and immediate risk, but from an the entrenched bullshit propaganda that they government have laws used to justify these ridiculous laws since they passed it was the appearance of 1P-LSD that was the final psychological straw for pedallers of this bullshit, as here was a type of LSD itself feely on sale, despite everything that had put into 'controlling' AL_LAD and LSZ.
 
I thats just fact consumer and is at the top of the whole thing clearly.

I'm just digging a little deeper into the background of what will be seen a really great British Phenomenon that can only be rivalled by the legal availability of fresh psychedelic mushrooms and truffles from all over the world in the UK between 2003 and 2005/06.

That was a fucked up couple of years.
 
steewith2ees said:
I thats just fact consumer and is at the top of the whole thing clearly.

I'm just digging a little deeper into the background of what will be seen a really great British Phenomenon that can only be rivalled by the legal availability of fresh psychedelic mushrooms and truffles from all over the world in the UK between 2003 and 2005/06.

That was a fucked up couple of years.
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I bet they were funny years. Walking into a shop to buy gold tops. Good times. Luckily for us they grow fucking everywhere here when its warm and been raining. They have caused me to have a few strange and interesting conversations with farmers over the years..
 
steewith2ees said:
Synth noids were the physical straw that broke the camels back as they did pose a serious public helth risk.

However ,when it comes to to the in-drenched psychological propaganda that the government have used to justify to the absolute abomination that LSD belongs in Class A of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 - and when AL-LAD and I think it was LSZ subsequently became available on the clearnet NPS scene, they picked up on both compunds as soon as they started to have an impact on NPS use, as they realised they were looking at alternative versions of LSD - a drug that they had spent 40 years convincing the public was as harmful as heroin or cocaine use, so, despite the official ACMD report that stated that BOTH AL_LAD and LZD posed no harm whatsoever to the the general population, both drugs were included in Class A of the MODA 1971 as soon as was possible for the government to do so.

It may have been the syn-noids that posed the clear and immediate risk, but from an the entrenched bullshit propaganda that they government have laws used to justify these ridiculous laws since they passed it was the appearance of 1P-LSD that was the final psychological straw for pedallers of this bullshit, as here was a type of LSD itself feely on sale, despite everything that had put into 'controlling' AL_LAD and LSZ.
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I do see your point, it did seem strange that lysergimides were picked out specifically for a banning session (along with AMT, if I remember correctly - they did target a load of psychedelics seemingly specifically). Have to keep in mind there was pretty much a constant stream of bans throughout the RC days... pretty sure there were occasions where multiple synthetic cannabinoids were banned all at once (if I remember correctly we're on "generation 4" cannabinoids), and there was also the phenidate ban, the arylcyclohexamines ban.... I guess because it takes time to schedule a specific substance the govt try to get a few done at once. For whatever reason, they seem to group the substances they're going to ban by class.

But why they banned psyches rather than, for instance, benzos? Well I think you're probably right in that the lysergimide/AMT/5-meo-DALT ban was selected as a group because of the way that psychedelics are demonised. But to suggest 1p-LSD triggered the NPS act seems farfetched to me tbh. We've already had "legal cannabis", "legal MDMA" (the APBs), "legal ketamine and legal PCP", "legal speed/coke" (MPA, phenidates, meph, MDPV and now 3-FPM). The government have been desperate to stop this mockery of the drug laws for the last 6 years or more, not to mention the general public consensus is that "legal highs" are dodgy, dangerous and targeted at kids... this new act was simply bound to happen sooner or later.

We had a good run lads....
 
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