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The Cigarette Thread

^ Because it may positively influence some in understanding more about the substance. Since so many are obviously addicted.

I dunno if it's true but i got told at a young age if you had some pure nicotine and injected it you would almost certain OD and die. It's more addictive than heroin apparently.
 
That would be fine if the previous 8 pages were all dedicated to helping each other quit rather than a glorified circle jerk of how wonderful cigarettes are and how hard done by everyone is because of tobacco persecution. :\
 
Busty St Clare said:
A useless drug deserves a pointless thread. If you were serious about harm reduction how can you keep a thread open that glorifies the biggest killing drug in the world?
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So your the authority on what drugs are and are not useless now? Give me a fucking break.

I am serious enough about harm reduction to focus my moderating efforts here rather than the fucking lounge. :p

There is actually content in this thread relevant to quitting smoking and while that is not the majority of the discussion I don't personally see anything wrong with this thread, it is for smokers by smokers and personally I really don't see it encouraging anyone to take up the habit. Is there a great deal of HR in this particular thread? Perhaps not, but I don't see a need to close down what is for the most part a well behaved and laid back discussion just because a few have got on their anti smoking high horse.

I don't know whats with you trolling lately Busty but why don't you try posting something worthwhile for a change.
 
+ a billion.

I've never understood people who are so righteous in their judgement of other people that they obsess over an issue that doesn't relate to them at all. Seems counterintuitive to me.

If you dislike ciggies busty, why are you wasting your time in the cigarette thread?
 
ok, since I've started smokin rollies (champions golds brother :)), I've noticed how quickly it takes for them to go out :X

Any rollie smokers got any advice on how to stop this? I've personally noticed takin drags slowly and rollin em a bit tighter than usual seems to make it burn plant matter with paper evenly and seems to work, but sometimes doesn't? :?

Any advice on this appreciated :)
 
I don't dislike drug users, most of my most trusted and intelligent friends are users. I am more distrusting of wowsers who don't indulge in anything fun if the truth be known.

On the other hand I have no time for idiots who waste their natural gifts. Smoking tobacco has no useful effects (unless you count looking sultry while sitting naked on a leather chair in a den). You never hear from seasoned smokers how awesome smoking is, rather how terrible it is to go without that first cigarette. Is is the purest form of addiction, you rush for that cigarette to ease the pain from the cravings, rather than the brain craving an awesome experience. You can not in all seriousness compare tobacco "high" to something like heroin.

Smoking is not a victimless crime either, I'll step aware from my tobacco bashing the day I can stand at a street intersection in the city without having second hand smoke blown over me.
 
Busty St Clare said:
That would be fine if the previous 8 pages were all dedicated to helping each other quit rather than a glorified circle jerk of how wonderful cigarettes are and how hard done by everyone is because of tobacco persecution. :\
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Take off the white wig and stop judging. I gave up 3 months ago and still wish I could smoke. Thing is I made a promise to myself Id stop before my 35th b'day and Ive done that. That part of my life is over and I will look back with fond memories. That first smoke with the morning coffee, with a beer on a Friday arvo after work or even when I was angry and looking for a solution to a problem. Nicotene and ciggies were with me for all of it and I dont regret a single smoke :)
 
So you would be happy if your kids take up smoking then?

Of all the drugs out there tobacco and opiates are the two I would be disappointed if my kids took them up recreationally.
 
Busty St Clare said:
Smoking is not a victimless crime either, I'll step aware from my tobacco bashing the day I can stand at a street intersection in the city without having second hand smoke blown over me.
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Do you drive? Breathe in our air? Any other risk taking behaviours? Most of them are probably worse for you :p
Personally, I enjoy the smell of secondhand smoke.

My quitting isn't going very well, can't help it if some one comes round with smokes.
 
Busty St Clare said:
On the other hand I have no time for idiots who waste their natural gifts.
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So your natural gifts include looking down your nose at other people whose decisions you don't agree with? If not, your wasting them by spending your time in this thread, and this forum, by posting opinions that are judgemental and ultimately inconsequential to the people you seem to think need a dose of your 'wisdom'.

And, it's obvious your 'natural gifts' do not include debating in a useful, constructive, or even sensical way. Your arguments are full of logical fallacies:

Busty St Clare said:
You never hear from seasoned smokers how awesome smoking is, rather how terrible it is to go without that first cigarette.
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Busty St Clare said:
So you would be happy if your kids take up smoking then?

Of all the drugs out there tobacco and opiates are the two I would be disappointed if my kids took them up recreationally.
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My natural gifts were being able to kick with both feet and being able to tackle non stop for 80 minutes. Looking down my nose at people was something I had to work hard at. ;)

Tell me one good thing that smoking tobacco does for you compared to any other drug we discuss in this forum.
 
I could dig up a study on it's effectiveness for calming the symptoms of schizophrenics, but whether or not it matches the rewards of other drugs or even has any redeeming features in your eyes is irrelevent. If someone wants to smoke, despite all the evidence, that's their choice no matter how illogical, stupid, or ultimately even fatal that choice may be.
 
You could argue the same thing for people who shoot up pills without filters etc. Am I expected to sit here and toss them off, all the while telling them how awesome I think it is?
 
You have a bad habit of exaggerating everything that is said for emotional impact. Not one person in this thread has suggested that you should agree with other people's decisions, let alone celebrate them, so your question is moot. As an HR site it's important that people are aware of the dangers of their drug use. After making that information available, it's the upto the individual whether they use that in practise or not. It's about tolerance of the fact people don't have to live exactly as you see fit.
 
[NZ] Prisoners try patches as smoking ban nears

Inmates struggling to give up their habit ahead of a full smoking ban in prisons are going through a rough patch.

To get their nicotine fix some have tried smoking nicotine patches provided by Corrections Department staff.

Smoking will be banned in the country's jails from tomorrow and inmates have not been able to buy tobacco, matches or lighters since June 1.

About 5700 inmates have taken up the "nicotine replacement therapy" offered, including nicotine patches and lozenges.

Assistant general manager of prison services Brendan Anstiss told the Dominion Post that there had been several instances of prisoners attempting to smoke the patches.

"That type of behaviour is expected. Prisoners have tried to smoke a variety of things, from tea leaves to grass, so I'm not surprised they'd try to get a hit from the patches. I'm pretty sure it doesn't work."

Apart from the patches, prisoners have access to self help smoking lituarture, can take part in more art and music classes, and have been offered carrot sticks.
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here
 
Busty St Clare said:
So you would be happy if your kids take up smoking then?

Of all the drugs out there tobacco and opiates are the two I would be disappointed if my kids took them up recreationally.
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What are you talkin about? Who woudn't want their kids turnin out to be durry charrin' smack junkies :\

Anyway, negative opinions aside, any rollie smokers out there got any tips on how to stop them self extinguishing? Would any of you say rollin em tighter helps this?
 
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