The Chi Dope Thread

[Tommyboy]

correct... i am on day 4 being completely clean, i will say if at all possible cold turkey is the best way, feel much better then i would doing a suboxone tapper thats for sure

I'm a big advocate of cold turkey as well, considering I have some clonidine. I just want the withdrawals to be over as soon as possible, so I hate playing games with subs. I got to about 55 hours the other night and then used, and am probably going to do the same thing again, but maybe wait 4-5 days this time. I was very active and walked almost 10 miles on day 3, so it clearly wasn't as bad as I had thought, so I'm not too worried.

since you apparently are assuming i must be strung out on something.

I guess we have different definitions of being 'strung out.' I consider it to be dependent on any opiates/opioids. I'm glad the methadone is working for you, but I could never get on that or go back to suboxone. My withdrawals aren't bad and are over with pretty quickly so I don't like the idea of ORT, although there are definitely some people that I know that could benefit from it.

I think a 3-6 month taper plan is a lot better than long-term maintenance though, and even though I was on suboxone for 18 months a while back a wish I never went on it. Aside from the withdrawals sucking (admittedly I barely tapered) it did a number on my receptors. If getting high once a week is what it takes for me to get by and still be able to save my money then that's way better than taking a maintenance drug, but there's a lot of people that can't do that.

 

[cicerogrinds]

staying active really helps so damn much hell i even fell better after walking it helps with the pains in the legs as well as the restless legs bs, sub games do suck the 2 times i took a break with the subs the withdraw is weeker but even if u use the subs for say 4-5 days the damn withdraw just seems to stay around for at least 2 weeks minimum

 

[The Rock Monster]

good for you Rock monster... oh yea apparently you are my lost brother i was geting called the new rocky bout a week ago.. applying that i say i gonna quit ect.. yet always coming back saying i am high bytheway just to keep score day 6 tomarrow clean

being strung out on heroin will make you do funny things..

 

[Welderman]

Fuck the haters Rocky if methadone is what it takes to get your shit together then so be it.

 

[The Rock Monster]

I'm a big advocate of cold turkey as well, considering I have some clonidine. I just want the withdrawals to be over as soon as possible, so I hate playing games with subs. I got to about 55 hours the other night and then used, and am probably going to do the same thing again, but maybe wait 4-5 days this time. I was very active and walked almost 10 miles on day 3, so it clearly wasn't as bad as I had thought, so I'm not too worried.



I guess we have different definitions of being 'strung out.' I consider it to be dependent on any opiates/opioids. I'm glad the methadone is working for you, but I could never get on that or go back to suboxone. My withdrawals aren't bad and are over with pretty quickly so I don't like the idea of ORT, although there are definitely some people that I know that could benefit from it.

I think a 3-6 month taper plan is a lot better than long-term maintenance though, and even though I was on suboxone for 18 months a while back a wish I never went on it. Aside from the withdrawals sucking (admittedly I barely tapered) it did a number on my receptors. If getting high once a week is what it takes for me to get by and still be able to save my money then that's way better than taking a maintenance drug, but there's a lot of people that can't do that.

yes, we have different definitions of being strung out.. imo youre strung out when youre blowing all your money on dope and still going sick.. using dope on a daily basis or getting sick as a dog if i didnt have my shit. getting kicked out of your parents house. being homeless. thats being strung out for me.

working full time and more, having a bank account, saving a lot of $ are things that you cant do when youre strung out. although i take medicine, i dont consider myself to be strung out......

 

[Tommyboy]

Yea man, I considered myself strung out on suboxone while working full time and going to school. That's just how I look at it now. I felt alright at the time, but looking back it was the worst 18 months of my life.

 

[The Rock Monster]

its whatever. its a matter of opinion.

 

[Tommyboy]

For sure. And welderman, not sure if you were referring to me but I said in my post that there's some people that can definitely benefit from it. Like the people I know that drive to the city everyday to cop, spending all their money on keeping the sick away and maybe catching a nod every now and then when they have the money. To me that's pointless and they should get on methadone or something.

 

[cicerogrinds]

really? a lot of people be saying that they feel a buzz while on subs, i can say i never caught anything even close to a buzz on them things.. on top of that i hate them damn taste so bad i always dreaded taking them sometimes i would even throw up while under my tongue so i heard u could snort the pill form, which was even more shity just thinking about that nasty drip makes me cringe . also people say the subs helped them with their mental state, for me it was the opposite them pills would make me overall mad and angery.. i will say overall subs are a life savior if you got yourself in way to deep and developed a hugh habit ,but at the same time overall i don't see them as the mirical drug anymore like i thought before..

 

[towerhigh]

Towerhigh, be easy on your first dose back. A lot of people over do it after extended breaks. Remember that your tolerance is lower. I merged your 3 posts. In the future you can use the edit button to add to your posts.

Good advice, seen one too many people fall out with just a bit too much. Case in point-me. I had been clean for a few weeks and may a trip with my buddy. We got some fire foils from the big guy and i banged up half a one and didnt feel good enough i guess...so i did another whole one. so we're splitting up the stuff, i only remember handing my buddy a handful of foils then...BAM! i get punched in the head and shook like a rag doll! i look around and there are foils all over the truck floor. Lesson learned. and now that you mention that johnny, my buddy is gettin out the pen soon and i want him to realize what you just told me!

 

[RecklessWOT]

Fuck the haters Rocky if methadone is what it takes to get your shit together then so be it.

yes, we have different definitions of being strung out.. imo youre strung out when youre blowing all your money on dope and still going sick.. using dope on a daily basis or getting sick as a dog if i didnt have my shit. getting kicked out of your parents house. being homeless. thats being strung out for me.

working full time and more, having a bank account, saving a lot of $ are things that you cant do when youre strung out. although i take medicine, i dont consider myself to be strung out......

This is how I view it too. Sure you're still dependent on the methadone but if you can keep your shit together and not act like a junkie fiend then I don't consider that to be strung out.

 

[The Rock Monster]

Yea man, I considered myself strung out on suboxone while working full time and going to school. That's just how I look at it now. I felt alright at the time, but looking back it was the worst 18 months of my life.

thats funny that you consider a 18 month period of working and going to school on subs the worst time of your life.. although we are both heroin users, we come from different back grounds.. for example, the worst period of time in my life was when i was homeless during the winter time. i was sleeping in my car, and one of my windows didnt roll up. the temp dropped into the high 30's, 38 degrees faranheit, 39 degrees. i was freezing my ass off. used my backpack as a pillow, and i didnt have enough sense to acquire a blanket or something like that to keep myself warm during those freezing winter nights. every single penny just had to go for dope. the worst is when it would rain. like i said, my driver side window would not roll up, so i would have to park under covered parking.. it got so cold when it rained.. and besides the freezing my ass off part, i had trouble sleeping on the streets with a window rolled down, for fear of being robbed or killed. if a killer or robber came along while i was asleep, i could not defend myself.. so i had a difficult time getting to sleep, and when i did, i would have nightmares of being attacked in my car while sleeping... it upsets me a little just re living it

truly miserable living conditions.. that was my lowest point. from then on, i truly appreciated sleeping indoors in a warm bed. i do not take it for granted, because i know how it feels to have nothing, and be sleeping in your freezing ass car when its 38 out.

i wanted to share this so you would know a little more about me. to help you understand where i am coming from.

 

[The Rock Monster]

For sure. And welderman, not sure if you were referring to me but I said in my post that there's some people that can definitely benefit from it. Like the people I know that drive to the city everyday to cop, spending all their money on keeping the sick away and maybe catching a nod every now and then when they have the money. To me that's pointless and they should get on methadone or something.

fuck ya its a waste if youre not even getting high anymore.. the reason that i kept on using everyday aka the pull of heroin is that i would still get high as a kite and be nodding off of a small amount, $20 worth.

 

[lbcfourthstreet]

For those who travel WEST BEWARE. So I woke up sick, as you all know that's a rather awful feeling. So I hop in my car for a rather routine trip to the WS. Now I know it's hot because I see cops on the main road quite a bit but I have been rather naive since I'm new to Chi. I went early at 9 am since that's always feels the safest to me and that's when I would go back home the rare times I had to cop from the streets since I had a good phone number connect the last six years. Anyways I'm putting in my order when I hear the dreaded yell of lights out. Well that's probably a lot more helpful if um the cop car is not directly at the spot!!! Anyways I slump down hoping hell just pass by, he doesn't and pulls right next to me. And says what's going on?? Now I wasn't prepared for this so rather stupidly and sheepishly I reply, "nothing" he glares back and repeats what I said and thinking maybe honesty is best I say ," obviously you know what im doin but you showed up before anything could happen" then he says "well it looks like you better get out here" and I say that's a good idea and shake the spot and my adrenaline was going so much totally didn't even care about being sick. Ugh I need a number. Way too old to being risking jail and such. Luckily I did cop at another spot though. Way too close a call. Rethinking my recent choices.

 

[lbcfourthstreet]

What do you mean did a number on your receptors?? I've been subs, plus, dope for over five years and wondering what bad long term affects the bups/subs have. First I'm scared to taper at all because I hate getting sick. And the few times I did taper even to low doses I felt pretty miserable. Secondly I'm still using quite a bit even w/ the bups so I'm scared if I did stop I would go back to dope a hundred percent of the time ad opposed to my current use of getting high every now and then and falling back on the bups. Except now I've been using dope every day for three weeks and keep making excuses to not take the bups like oh I need two days off in a row before I can take em since I know I've been on a heavy run it will take at least a day or two back on the bups before I feel better and now do lethargic and out of it like what usually happens. Anyone else in a similar situation with any advice??

 

[The Rock Monster]

call them and have them meet you at a safer spot.. see if they will do that.. if not its not really worth it, since you might get poppped. good chance you will get popped, like u said.

 

[cicerogrinds]

What do you mean did a number on your receptors?? I've been subs, plus, dope for over five years and wondering what bad long term affects the bups/subs have. First I'm scared to taper at all because I hate getting sick. And the few times I did taper even to low doses I felt pretty miserable. Secondly I'm still using quite a bit even w/ the bups so I'm scared if I did stop I would go back to dope a hundred percent of the time ad opposed to my current use of getting high every now and then and falling back on the bups. Except now I've been using dope every day for three weeks and keep making excuses to not take the bups like oh I need two days off in a row before I can take em since I know I've been on a heavy run it will take at least a day or two back on the bups before I feel better and now do lethargic and out of it like what usually happens. Anyone else in a similar situation with any advice??

who likes getting sick?? also just take the subs when you get sick no need to wait 2 days, once you in withdraw just take em if i were you i would do my last dope in the morning try to fall asleep at night then in the morning take the subs

 

[Cupcakees]

Icbfourthstreet- I just moved to chitown from Pa. I'm sick as shit but because of stories like yours am scared when trying to find D about these Chicago cops.

 

[Welderman]

Tommyboy that comment was directed at no one in particular. Methadone is like any other treatment you get out of it what you put into it. The bad thing about going to a clinic is dealing with their bullshit and going every day or even every 3 days. I couldn't take a vacation or a long weekend camping because you could only get special takehomes 1 or 2 times a year. But it did bring structure and order to my life and saved me lots if money.(as opposed to hundreds a week on dope). It took a long time to taper from 120 to 0 mg's and I had a long stretch of clean time with not even drinking. I haven't went back to dope but due to chronic pain I still take hydrocodone and I am trying to taper off those. But at least the sickness is not too bad with those.

 

[Tommyboy]

thats funny that you consider a 18 month period of working and going to school on subs the worst time of your life..

Well I finished the rest of school clean from subs and everything bud beer and a bit of weed, and I felt so much better than when I had been on the subs.

@Whoever asked me about what I meant by subs ruining my receptors. It just made my natural tolerance really high. After I got off subs I could take 3-4 month breaks (which I have done plenty of times since getting off them) and the first high will be alright, but after that my tolerance only takes about 3 highs to get back to where it was.