^^^ cannabis seed is no different to other hard-cased seed in it's potential to harbor viruses, bacterium, fungal spores etc, and as wild, illegally imported seed is rarely treated to remove pathogens the risk of landing them via uncleaned seed has to be reckoned with.
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tripnotyzm
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ahh i keep getting shitty similar strains. sucks.
Sounds exactly like the shit i have been getting lately.....doesn't chop out well either!
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
thai buds here i come :D i will be sure to upload some weed porn! 
CrayZ
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First bongs after a long break (ie. 3 months or more) always surprise me at how rough they are. I'm equally surprised at how quickly I adjust though and can be pullin bongs like a champ as little as two to three days later. Then after a week or two more I've got the 'cough' back again and I remember why I gave up bongs in the first place.
justsayknow
Bluelighter
I had a bit of a look to see if I could find info about any particular nasties likely to be present but couldnt find anything specific to cannabis. If I was ever to do it maybe I would have a chat with the AQIS guys and ask them what they treat other imported seeds with. I was trying to import some legal plant material not long ago but the fees and such were exorbitant and it sounds like they have a pretty extensive spraying regime not mention a heap of red tape- you have to clear it with state and federal bodies seperately or something. Maybe if it ever gets legalised I could just get them to do it for me
justsayknow
Bluelighter
Ah it looks like they have a web page ready to go. Obviously people have been importing industrial hemp seed already.
http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_casecontent.asp?intNodeId=8936746&intCommodityId=458&Types=none&WhichQuery=Go+to+full+text&intSearch=1&LogSessionID=0
Not sure its a good idea for the everyday grower to be messing around with shit like methylbromide or phosphine. It looks like they must have some tests to see if Khapra beetle is present not sure what else they test it for.
http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_casecontent.asp?intNodeId=8936746&intCommodityId=458&Types=none&WhichQuery=Go+to+full+text&intSearch=1&LogSessionID=0
Not sure its a good idea for the everyday grower to be messing around with shit like methylbromide or phosphine. It looks like they must have some tests to see if Khapra beetle is present not sure what else they test it for.
Coming from a hort/ag background I'm aware of treatment procedures for all legit imported seed, and I would imagine that packaged cannabis seed from NL or BC would be 'cleaned' before export, though to which internationally recocognised standards I couldn't say. You might take a look at http://www.hempfood.com for a rundown of the blights and diseases cannabis is susceptible to, up to and including seed-set at maturation. The bibliography has a load of references that will shed more light on the role seed might have in spreading disease etc.
justsayknow
Bluelighter
Cheers for the info. I couldnt find any bibliography (pm me if you have a link) but I will hazard a guess that most average backyard gardeners are not going to have the resources or skills to effectively screen for any of those pests or diseases and that simply removing any organic material or visually inspecting the seeds isnt going to cut it.
pisspotnrock
Bluelighter
yeww, few more weeks n the babies will be ready 
only got one predominantly sativa and one predominantly indica outside (planted very late in the season.. rooted cuttings were givin to me in ~early Jan.?) but for they're 'miniature' size, they are lookin very nice and very sticky.. just starting to fatten up properly now
only got one predominantly sativa and one predominantly indica outside (planted very late in the season.. rooted cuttings were givin to me in ~early Jan.?) but for they're 'miniature' size, they are lookin very nice and very sticky.. just starting to fatten up properly now
tripnotyzm
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i can't wait to get over to Amsterdam in July..
gonna be tasting some fine FINE cheeba'
gonna be tasting some fine FINE cheeba'
^ Good luck with it! Soon you'll be stress-free and probably thinking about next season.
Rooted cuttings are great if you can get them in at the right time, but it can be fiddly outdoors. I tried a few seasons with declared cuttings and found that planting them out in mid-late spring with the lengthening light hours kick-started the vegetative cycle. The alternating leaf patterns reverted to opposites and away they went despite the low nitrogen /high potassium (potato E) nutrient load in the soil. They completed the cycle and matured at around the same time the other (different) seed-sown varieties did and there were no noticable differences between them in form, stood side-by-side. I jagged it once planting out the same line of cuttings mentioned, only in late november. They were ready for pull in the dry heat of march and the resin yield and plant density was impressive. Its sad but true that resin production begins to decline as temperatures and light levels drop, so many of the later maturing sativas aren't ready to pick even as autumn sets in
. I've tried nutrient-banding and light-deprivation to trick them into flowering but with little success, so its back to selective breeding for this old grafter.
Rooted cuttings are great if you can get them in at the right time, but it can be fiddly outdoors. I tried a few seasons with declared cuttings and found that planting them out in mid-late spring with the lengthening light hours kick-started the vegetative cycle. The alternating leaf patterns reverted to opposites and away they went despite the low nitrogen /high potassium (potato E) nutrient load in the soil. They completed the cycle and matured at around the same time the other (different) seed-sown varieties did and there were no noticable differences between them in form, stood side-by-side. I jagged it once planting out the same line of cuttings mentioned, only in late november. They were ready for pull in the dry heat of march and the resin yield and plant density was impressive. Its sad but true that resin production begins to decline as temperatures and light levels drop, so many of the later maturing sativas aren't ready to pick even as autumn sets in
. I've tried nutrient-banding and light-deprivation to trick them into flowering but with little success, so its back to selective breeding for this old grafter.
justsayknow
Bluelighter
yeww, few more weeks n the babies will be ready
only got one predominantly sativa and one predominantly indica outside (planted very late in the season.. rooted cuttings were givin to me in ~early Jan.?) but for they're 'miniature' size, they are lookin very nice and very sticky.. just starting to fatten up properly now
Minature can be a good thing! Easier to hide! As long as the quality is good-size isnt necessarily all that matters
^agreed, but maybe the next step is to intend to grow short-statured plants of high quality right from the start. I've grown pure indica and sativa strains but prefer sativas despite the problems with size and cycle length. I also reckon that if I'm going to take the risk I might as well go the extra distance and grow what I want, rather than what I can. Sometimes easier said than done, I know.
On the idea of 'miniatures', if you could you might like to try grafting. I've had some really interesting results grafting sativas onto indica and authentic ruderalis rootstock (the long-hand version of what the Dutch do now with tissue culture) and also with selective pollination. Grafting allows you to sample the goodies at the end of the season whereas with cross-pollination you don't get to see the fruit of your labour until the following year. This plant will forever keep me guessing
On the idea of 'miniatures', if you could you might like to try grafting. I've had some really interesting results grafting sativas onto indica and authentic ruderalis rootstock (the long-hand version of what the Dutch do now with tissue culture) and also with selective pollination. Grafting allows you to sample the goodies at the end of the season whereas with cross-pollination you don't get to see the fruit of your labour until the following year. This plant will forever keep me guessing
Verybuffed
Bluelighter
Not that they were reportedly high quality but the strains Aussie Bastard Cannabis and Wally Ducksfoot come to mind here. They were strains that barely resembled cannabis to the point where they could be grown anywhere with most people not recognising them. There used to be lots of pics and grow logs on Overgrow before that went down.
This is the A.B.C.
^ been out of the loop for a long while so've never heard of either. Anybody else tried them or seen the plants? I wonder if the growers were actually trying to breed out the cannabis 'look'? Never heard of that one before, other than the old hop/cannabis grafting myth.
justsayknow
Bluelighter
Weird looking thing that is. I wonder what the flavour and aroma was like?
^ that's the $64 question, eh? The image is hard to read but appears very similar to the smooth-edge leaf pattern I experienced with some juveniles grown in a hot-house situation eg. high heat & humidity with filtered moderate-high light. These non-serrated leaves were soon replaced by more typical alligator tails as the grow cycle advanced and the plants were moved into a more arid environment under strong light.
I also encountered leaf and structural deformities in one of two seeds out of 100x same-strain sativas that survived treatment with colchicine to induce polyploidy. One completed a normal life-cycle without any warpage but ran to male. The other really struggled through a stunted vegetative stage with smooth-edged, rippled, twisted leaves. Some had new leaves fanning out from the base of existing leaf-blades or multiple petioles shooting from the axis. At around 3 months and 60x60 cm it shed all its leaf like a deciduous tree and totally replaced it with un-serrated tri-foliate growth. At around 7 months and 1.2x 1.2 m it shed the lot again and replaced it with the more typical serrated leaves, though on average with 10 'tails' each. That was one munted plant. It powered-on right under people's noses I think, in-part, because the few who could have seen it and busted my balls didn't know what they were actually looking at for the first 9 months of its life. The leaf-shape more than general form of the plant is what everyone recognises these days, so breeding a variety that had smooth-edged leaves and packed a punch would be akin to the holy grail of illegal gardening.
I also encountered leaf and structural deformities in one of two seeds out of 100x same-strain sativas that survived treatment with colchicine to induce polyploidy. One completed a normal life-cycle without any warpage but ran to male. The other really struggled through a stunted vegetative stage with smooth-edged, rippled, twisted leaves. Some had new leaves fanning out from the base of existing leaf-blades or multiple petioles shooting from the axis. At around 3 months and 60x60 cm it shed all its leaf like a deciduous tree and totally replaced it with un-serrated tri-foliate growth. At around 7 months and 1.2x 1.2 m it shed the lot again and replaced it with the more typical serrated leaves, though on average with 10 'tails' each. That was one munted plant. It powered-on right under people's noses I think, in-part, because the few who could have seen it and busted my balls didn't know what they were actually looking at for the first 9 months of its life. The leaf-shape more than general form of the plant is what everyone recognises these days, so breeding a variety that had smooth-edged leaves and packed a punch would be akin to the holy grail of illegal gardening.
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
yeww, few more weeks n the babies will be ready
only got one predominantly sativa and one predominantly indica outside (planted very late in the season.. rooted cuttings were givin to me in ~early Jan.?) but for they're 'miniature' size, they are lookin very nice and very sticky.. just starting to fatten up properly now
get some weed porn up there cuz :D
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