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Benzos The Big Phenazepam Throw Together Pt. I

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MescalitoBandito said:
Let's all keep in mind that different benzos have different effects on different people...YMMV (and almost certainly will).
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Yes, of course... If someone got the impression that I was saying otherwise, then I apologize. It's hard to talk about drugs all day and put IMO in every single line of text that is an opinion, though. Not an attack at you, MB, just a comment in general. I will occasionally forget to say that my opinion will probably differ from others, but I think you guys know that, and you know that I know that...

As far as being a good anxiolytic, it seems to be less of an opinion than an established fact. The comparison to diazepam, obviously that was my opinion, and it was in response to DexterMeth's probing question as to what exactly I meant about it being "near diazepam" iin anxiolytic effects. Given the context, I really don't see how you guys could have been confused that I was talking about my experiences with the drugs, not actual scientific reports of the supposed effects of the drugs...

/end rant (sorry)

Edit- Maybe I'll just put in my signature that anything I say is an opinion, just to get me out of this situation in the future... I think that's a good solution...
 
Well it's just I don't personally find any benzo less effective than another for anxiety, so long as you take more or less (although librium is pretty dang weak). Many people judge a benzo based on the hypnotic and euphoric effects which in this case I'm not concerned with. Also, I've never even heard of phenaz until this thread and have never tried it. You guys are both blowing this out of proportion, I simply asked for some clarification. Thank you btw.
 
^You're welcome. I want to make sure that no one can be confused by my comments being taken as scientific unless I specifically say so, so I added that disclaimer. Nothing against you, DM or MB, but I just needed to cover that vulnerable portion of my ass for times when I forget to specifically state something...
 
That's why you ALWAYS include the mundane and annoying details. You know, sort of like driving the speed limit or keeping your seetbelt buckled. ;)
-edit, I will definately keep this in mind for the future though.
 
I totally understand. I know what you meant by what you said, I just think the YMMV disclaimer can't be said enough, mainly for the benefit of less experienced users who carouse the boards.

Anxiety is so subjective, there's obviously no way to say one is clearly better than another in any objective sense. Still, I think the main unanswered question about phenazepam is to what extent its hypnotic or amnesic effects outweigh the usefulness of the anxiolytic effect. It may be dose-dependent, but the dose at which I get full anxiety relief is very close to the dose where I start nodding out, so it can be a bit tricky (IMO of course! :) I know you understand that of course, I only say that for the benefit of inexperienced users perusing the boards).
 
I absolutely love Phenazepam. If you have a scale it is easy to use, euphoric, and great at making work fly by(which is why I take it). Compared to xanax it is a little less euphoric, but hey, who's complaining?
 
Just be careful your boss doesn't catch you with your eyes closed! (I lost my job that way, though things were heading in that direction for other reasons as well).

Just makes me wish I had some (more)! Problem is, I have no way of measuring the little bits that I have left in the vial. Hopefully this experience teaches me to have a little more self-control in the future. Be careful, kids.
 
I wish my source wasn't taking sooo long...It sucks running low on benzos. Luckily I got clonazepam for a half-assed taper if necessary.
 
MescalitoBandito said:
I totally understand. I know what you meant by what you said, I just think the YMMV disclaimer can't be said enough, mainly for the benefit of less experienced users who carouse the boards.

Anxiety is so subjective, there's obviously no way to say one is clearly better than another in any objective sense. Still, I think the main unanswered question about phenazepam is to what extent its hypnotic or amnesic effects outweigh the usefulness of the anxiolytic effect. It may be dose-dependent, but the dose at which I get full anxiety relief is very close to the dose where I start nodding out, so it can be a bit tricky (IMO of course! :) I know you understand that of course, I only say that for the benefit of inexperienced users perusing the boards).
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Ok, thanks for that tid bit. I really cannot risk falling asleep/passing out though. I used to do that SO much on G, and even BDO, well xanax too; shit. I guess it shouldn't really be an issue so long as I remain conservative with my dosing, always use a scale, and to balance out any grogginess with caffiene. I don't tolerate caffiene very well, but in smaller amounts, and/or as an adjunct with benzos it doesn't make me jitter.
 
DexterMeth said:
Ok, thanks for that tid bit. I really cannot risk falling asleep/passing out though. I used to do that SO much on G, and even BDO, well xanax too; shit. I guess it shouldn't really be an issue so long as I remain conservative with my dosing, always use a scale, and to balance out any grogginess with caffiene. I don't tolerate caffiene very well, but in smaller amounts, and/or as an adjunct with benzos it doesn't make me jitter.
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You guys are making it sound much more hypnotic than most people's experiences suggest (including mine). I find it not hypnotic at all, not nearly near as hypnotic as alprazolam... I wouldn't even take it to sleep; I'd take some diphenhydramine for that!
 
^Good to know.

I'm just commenting based off what other people have said. I haven't even taken it yet. I certainly hope it's not that hypnotic. I didn't really think it was. If this is just like any other benzo with a longer half-life, well then most of these people need to actually use a scale and exercise some will power instead of pretending to.
 
i hope it's hypnotic since it'll be handy for a rapid taper (opi)..

since it's a new benzo, i assume incomplete cross tolerance will allow its effects to be pretty pronounced for the first couple days (only need it to be pronounced during the worst couple days anyway)
 
I find it very hypnotic, but that may be either dose or my own limited experience (heavy clonazepam, low dose xanax and valium). I supposedly lost my job because of my "nodding out."

It becomes VERY hypnotic in combination with opiates, including (maybe even especially) pods.
 
^How much phenaz were you taking when you got let go from your job? Perhaps it was a tolerance issue, with you taking heavy clonaz, xanax and valium ALONG with pods? You may not have been getting that high, but perhaps you were near passing out without knowing it, IE severe CNS depression, shit especially with pods. I lost a job once at a grocery store from fucking about with xanax, clonaz and pods. I didn't even realize how fucked up I was at the time but everyone from there that I see at the pubs every now and then said I was like the walking dead and at my most animated times, just running into crap and dropping things..talking with a "perma-slur" (back then).

I have a feeling I'll be drinking coffee with this stuff
 
Woo, not forgotten this thread. My American supplier had his packages confiscated at customs so reshipped under a different name and I guess better packaging. They wanted to meet him face to face, I'm not sure what would happen there, since it's a powder you're allowed to own? I just recieved his reshipment, he said it was going to be a little more product this time but still weighs exactly 50mg. Still, that's what I wanted originally.

I'm diluting in 100ml PG as 50ml just sounds too fiddily to bother with. I've stirred it a lot and have it sitting in a warm bath. Tasted the PG, eh, tastes kind of warm. Not sure how I'm gonna store the rest of this, maybe in an empty spice bottle in the cupboard, do you think that'll last okay?

Interesting thing about my blackout last week that lastest from Wednesday sometime to Friday night. I have actually become more confident since. Could be a complete coincidence I don't know but I'm talking to strangers and taking on projects that need doing around the flat. Glad I got the carpet cut and fitted before this morning tho.

Right so that's 1mg of phen in 2ml of PG, cant taste it in my pint of robinsons and barley strawberrry and kiwi drink. I don't have anything too taxing today to do if I don't want to lets see how it goes.

What I'm finding interesting is that I just cant sit here and do nothing. I don't mean in a figity stims way but a "there's jobs to do, I have to do them". Unfortunately even if you're feeling fine it makes it easier to slip over on laminate floors :/
 
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