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The Big & Dandy Trip Abortion Thread

Anything to help sleep would abort a bad trip if you have access to such things. Benzo's n soma work nicely for me.. maybe opiates too but idenno?
 
Bad trips are essential to understanding and RESPECTING REALITY and being SOBER

after a bad trip you LOVE being sober

its amazing
 
Ximot said:
It's a preoccupation I have long had and it recently came back to me after reading a pretty recent three-star report on erowid about someone's 2c-E experience that was, well, very freaky.

The only answer I had in the face of the terribly harsh and indifferent realities the tripper was shown was to remember love - the only logical conclusion given such a reality. To remember it and gracefully apply it whenever one remembers. Dunno if that's enough though, because it's been a long time since I've been that far out there.
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That was my trip report, actually. Glad to see people reading it!

I, too, agree that "bad trips" are very essential to using psychedelics the appropriate way, because it happens in order to teach us something about ourselves that helps us to become a better person. That trip(http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=48983), however, was definitely one of my most significant and I'd most definitely not trade the experience. However, in that situation I was quite sure that I my consciousness was going to be destroyed, because I realized that at the core, we are all one and the same, all part of the same god-force that manifests individual consciousnesses as a means to experience. Because this force in and of itself is timeless cannot experience in that way. I'm still working that out.

Anyway, the point is, I use kratom when I need a reprieve from the insanity. Most of the time, I only use it after I've come down and I want the peak to take me as far out as possible, and sometimes coming down can be difficult after you've been so far removed from societal constraints. In the case of the 2C-E being discussed, my heart rate was going through the roof. The crisis I was facing was not personal - it was existential, completely impersonal. had I been facing inner demons or being exposed to my faults, I'd have felt that I needed to tough it out, but in this case, I was just too afraid. The thought would not leave me, a thought which was coming from a higher state of consciousness that I could not seem to deny, was telling me that I'd likely not return the same person, or that I'd have a heart attack. I felt that in this case, kratom was needed to restore safety to the situation. I definitely plan to return to the 2C-E space, at a slightly lower level and knowing what to expect. Also, kratom as opposed to benzodiazepines allows you to keep most of the psychedelic aspects of the trip, while making them seem less threanening and altering your mood to be better.

So in conclusion, I generally think of using something to come down as a crutch, and that one shouldn't be tripping in the first place if they can't deal with what it's showing them. But there can be exceptions.

And in response to those afraid of ego death and depersonalization: ego death is the ultimate goal and the end result of strong tripping. It can teach us SO much about ourselves and nature of reality. Those whose egoes have died also cannot ever look at trivial things with the same importance again. My very first trip was with mushrooms and resulting in ego death, or rather more like ego shrinking until it became infinitely small, and from day forward I have lived my life differently. It's hard to live blindly and destructively when you realize that you are the same god-force that everything else is. But you can't ever see that if you still have an ego. it can be a frightening concept, I know. But you have to learn to let go of the self if you ever hope to gain the message and view of a greater reality that psychedelics offer us.
 
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I've tripped on shrooms 20 times and about 14 out of the 20 I had some kind of a bad trip. Some much worse than others, where you feel like your stuck in a room by yourself and you don't know anything about the world or even your name. "That fuckin is the worst thing ever". The only thing that has helped me deal with it is to be in a lighted room with some girls to help comfort you and tell you that it's just the drugs and your not going be be stuck like this forever. good luck
 
ive used different psychadelics a good number of times, and have yet to have a "bad" trip...

if i ever have one, i would hope i could calm myself with the knowledge that it wont last forever and that im not in any actual danger.
 
^ People that doesn't work, well at least it doesn't for me... Is like saying to a kid you know what it just a Hollywood movie/ special effects don't be afraid:D ...

Trust me, is hard to stay "calm" when the walls starting breathing and you feel the eyes of EVERYBODY around you.:\
 
Anyone tried kava? I've chewed/drank kava before tripping on acid, which I took almost immediately after an anxiety attack (not drug precipitated) and felt diefinitely melower and had a joyous trip. Kava is a drug/medicine I highly recommend regardless.
 
Benzos, or selective 5-HT2A antagonists (atypical antipsychotics). Haven't really tried the latter though, just intuit they should work from knowledge of the scientific literature. Benzos, however, definitely do. Nothing like a chill pill when you're afraid you're going to go over the edge.
 
yes, xanax is wonderful for this.

in the preloading stage, if you have access to a real empathogen like MDMA, it is very effective to time your acid trip to launch out of the *warm/loving* e trip.
 
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When the trip turns sour I always goto the shower. The rushing water over your body can be adjusted to any temperature depending if your hot or cold...If you need to vomit you can just go down the drain with no mess.....I havent tried it yet but one of those shower CD players on the wall could turn your world into a positive waterfall of music. I have seroquel and xanax on hand just incase....Especially if you dont have a sitter or someone else around....and your in the mood to trip...You might need to take the matter into your own hands and just abort via chemicals. Only abort as a last resort though....As other have said it could be a learning exp going through whatever myriad of hell you got yourself into.
 
Also, if you have benzos on hand, you can take a very small amount if your experience gets too out of hand, which should calm things down a bit, but keep you "in the zone", so to speak. Anti-anxiety specific benzos like xanax are the best for this purpose.

Also, I've discovered that kratom in particular does wonders for calming a trip, as well as making the comedown and integration period easier. I usually always have some kratom after I'm well into the come-down, and occasionally have used it to help escape some bad thought loops.

But as others have been saying, use these tactics only as a last resort. If you're having a difficult time, it's usually for a good reason, and you'll come out of it a better person.
 
hey man, did you ever use these pills i was given some by the doctor for extreme nausea when having a severe migrane, however i never took them. its an old thread i know but any info would be great. thanks
 
I suggest a Big & Dandy Trip Termination thread. This topic passes by like almost every day it seems. With a bit of patience, I'll make it happen.
 
Just wanted to chime in some personal experiences:

With dissociatives, I've found Ambien does a fantastic job of putting you to sleep. Not so much with psychedelics. I've taken 30mg on 2C-E, and it actually changed the nature of the visuals and the trip itself. This actually has been repeated at lower doses to produce cool effects.

For the Psych's, 2-3mg of xanax is great for putting me down for the end of a trip. I've never actually tried to cancel one during a peak though, as I've never had a negative experience worth canceling.
 
an anti psychotic drug like risperdal should stop a trip completely.
im not sure what dose would be proper for this but im guessing .5-1mg should do the trick.

Benzos will work good for decreasing anxiety but not stopping a trip completely.
 
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