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The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread
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Here's my opinion.
There does not seem to be a real physical cross tolerance between JWH and THC. Although it does completely cure THC withdrawal. Any cross tolerance experienced I think is just a function of tolerance to being high itself. Like if you take acid 3 times a week you'll probably handle 2ce better than someone that doesn't do any hallucinogens.
Off white JWH is bullshit. It should be white and shiny/sparkly w/ little clumps. Even the more smooth white powder JWH dooesn't burn as well and seems to be inferior.
JWH also helps nausea, gives me an appetite and helps me sleep. All the positive benefits of THC. I'm also less angry and more patient.
JWH makes me anxious and obsessive (I always think of things I may have fucked up at work and shit- happens to my wife too).
Cleaning on JWH rules. Right after u smoke 3 mg or so your actually amped up enough to clean, but blissed out enough to enjoy it. It's very zen.
In my opinion, just like weed, you can't be real high on JWH and look sober. I've had MULTIPLE friends say "you look really stoned".
Last, but not least- JWh is not as good as kind bud. The experience is not as rich and mood elevating. But it beats the hell out of dirt weed any day, it actually gets the job done, whereas dirt weed simply doesn't work on me.
There does not seem to be a real physical cross tolerance between JWH and THC. Although it does completely cure THC withdrawal. Any cross tolerance experienced I think is just a function of tolerance to being high itself. Like if you take acid 3 times a week you'll probably handle 2ce better than someone that doesn't do any hallucinogens.
Off white JWH is bullshit. It should be white and shiny/sparkly w/ little clumps. Even the more smooth white powder JWH dooesn't burn as well and seems to be inferior.
JWH also helps nausea, gives me an appetite and helps me sleep. All the positive benefits of THC. I'm also less angry and more patient.
JWH makes me anxious and obsessive (I always think of things I may have fucked up at work and shit- happens to my wife too).
Cleaning on JWH rules. Right after u smoke 3 mg or so your actually amped up enough to clean, but blissed out enough to enjoy it. It's very zen.
In my opinion, just like weed, you can't be real high on JWH and look sober. I've had MULTIPLE friends say "you look really stoned".
Last, but not least- JWh is not as good as kind bud. The experience is not as rich and mood elevating. But it beats the hell out of dirt weed any day, it actually gets the job done, whereas dirt weed simply doesn't work on me.
Mentat23: Which JWH are you referring to? Or is that an opinion on all the JWH's?
It sounds like the JWH's themselves inhibit cancer growth, but we shouldn't consider that an guarantee of safety. It's been brought up in ADD that they might be metabolized into some much less friendly (carcinogenic) things, but that risk is certainly not proven.
Until more data on long-term safety comes in, I don't think we should assume it's entirely safe. However, for most of us the alternative is smoking plant material, which is not healthy long term either. JWH's don't even need to be vaporized, can just eat them...
CP-47,497 and CP-55,940 look less likely to have concerns with the metabolites, but they're much harder to get (which seems odd, since they look easier to make than JWH-###, and are just as potent by weight, yet everyone and their mom is selling JWH-018, while the CP's remain elusive). I have an order in for a gram of CP-55,940, but i think they just took my money.
It sounds like the JWH's themselves inhibit cancer growth, but we shouldn't consider that an guarantee of safety. It's been brought up in ADD that they might be metabolized into some much less friendly (carcinogenic) things, but that risk is certainly not proven.
Until more data on long-term safety comes in, I don't think we should assume it's entirely safe. However, for most of us the alternative is smoking plant material, which is not healthy long term either. JWH's don't even need to be vaporized, can just eat them...
CP-47,497 and CP-55,940 look less likely to have concerns with the metabolites, but they're much harder to get (which seems odd, since they look easier to make than JWH-###, and are just as potent by weight, yet everyone and their mom is selling JWH-018, while the CP's remain elusive). I have an order in for a gram of CP-55,940, but i think they just took my money.
Delsyd
Bluelight Crew
I agree 100%
JWH's definately get you high, but nothing compares to the magical mix of cannabinoids in a heady strain of ganja.
IME with eating JWH 073 it didnt get me high.
Either the dose required is higher than that of smoked JWH or eating is ineffective for me. I know others have claimed its worked for them, but i havent been so lucky.
JWH-200 - First Taste
Two of us tested JWH-200 for the first time last night. Approx. 40-50mg of sticky, slightly off-white flecks were vaporized in a glass pipe. Small hits were taken at first to judge effects. Over about 10 minutes, about 15-20mg per person were vaporized and inhaled, leaving a small amount of residue in the pipe. Effects come on slowly and gradually over about 5 minutes. The high is a pleasant head-buzz with no heaviness or stoning in the body. Slightly munchy, certainly less than with natural cannabis. It wasn't particularly energetic, but definitely did not induce couch-lock. I felt very clear headed most of the time. During the peak, I had some trouble following the plot of the TV show I was watching, but maybe only because my mind was wandering. After 45 mins I re-upped using the residue left in the pipe, getting to about 80-85% of previous high. 45 mins after that I felt like I was tired, but didn't get to sleep for a little while (maybe half hour? maybe more). During that time I felt like the residual high was moving out of my head and into my body. My head got clearer and my body got heavier. After sleep some of that heaviness may have persisted, but 1.5 hours after waking I felt pretty normal.
This is the first of the synthetic cannabanoids I've tried, so I'll leave the question of comparisons to others open for now. This was a not-unpleasant way to spend an evening, but I would be happier if I could have gotten to sleep easier. Maybe I just need to plan more time with it before bed next time. I'll definitely try again in the future.
Two of us tested JWH-200 for the first time last night. Approx. 40-50mg of sticky, slightly off-white flecks were vaporized in a glass pipe. Small hits were taken at first to judge effects. Over about 10 minutes, about 15-20mg per person were vaporized and inhaled, leaving a small amount of residue in the pipe. Effects come on slowly and gradually over about 5 minutes. The high is a pleasant head-buzz with no heaviness or stoning in the body. Slightly munchy, certainly less than with natural cannabis. It wasn't particularly energetic, but definitely did not induce couch-lock. I felt very clear headed most of the time. During the peak, I had some trouble following the plot of the TV show I was watching, but maybe only because my mind was wandering. After 45 mins I re-upped using the residue left in the pipe, getting to about 80-85% of previous high. 45 mins after that I felt like I was tired, but didn't get to sleep for a little while (maybe half hour? maybe more). During that time I felt like the residual high was moving out of my head and into my body. My head got clearer and my body got heavier. After sleep some of that heaviness may have persisted, but 1.5 hours after waking I felt pretty normal.
This is the first of the synthetic cannabanoids I've tried, so I'll leave the question of comparisons to others open for now. This was a not-unpleasant way to spend an evening, but I would be happier if I could have gotten to sleep easier. Maybe I just need to plan more time with it before bed next time. I'll definitely try again in the future.
theotherside
Ex-Bluelighter
Nice report. I liked jwh-200 third out of the four jwh's I've tried. My favorite is jwh-073 followed by jwh-250.
Roger&Me
Bluelight Crew
JWH-200
That is one giant, scary, toxic-looking aromatic hydrocarbon right there. I urge everyone to use the JWH's sparingly until we know more about them. A few uses probably isn't a big deal, but I would definitely not use these compounds with any regularity.
I'm glad you had a good time though, OP.
That is one giant, scary, toxic-looking aromatic hydrocarbon right there. I urge everyone to use the JWH's sparingly until we know more about them. A few uses probably isn't a big deal, but I would definitely not use these compounds with any regularity.
I'm glad you had a good time though, OP.
theotherside
Ex-Bluelighter
^^^I thought they fixed the problem with jwh-250.
Roger&Me
Bluelight Crew
I'm still unconvinced that the absence of the naphthalene ring equates to a clean bill of health. These JWH's just look scary to me, LOL. Feel free to venture into that territory if you want, but I'll just keep puffin' my leaf and waiting for these compounds to be researched (if that ever happens in my lifetime).
theotherside
Ex-Bluelighter
I know what you mean. I was into them for a while, now its just when I'm out of greens. Jwh073 just goes so damn well with opiate .
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Delsyd
Bluelight Crew
I have only tried the 073 and the 018.
Id like to hear comparisons of some of the newer ones (200, 250 and the cp's) from some of you that have tried a few different ones.
Ive had the most experience with 073 which to me felt llike a nice sativa.
Ive only had 1 experience with 018 and it was more potent and anxiogenis. But i wuold like to experiment with it further.
It was more psychedelic IME.
Anyway, tell me how the others compare. (dose, effects, etc)
also, merging with the b+d cannabinoid thread.
Id like to hear comparisons of some of the newer ones (200, 250 and the cp's) from some of you that have tried a few different ones.
Ive had the most experience with 073 which to me felt llike a nice sativa.
Ive only had 1 experience with 018 and it was more potent and anxiogenis. But i wuold like to experiment with it further.
It was more psychedelic IME.
Anyway, tell me how the others compare. (dose, effects, etc)
also, merging with the b+d cannabinoid thread.
theotherside
Ex-Bluelighter
Jwh-200 had a more heavy body stoned feeling than I get from jwh-018. Its mental aspect was akin to some medium quality indica strains but with slightly different come up. Jwh-250 reminded me of 073 in alot of ways. It has a beautiful high that comes on strong within about 10 minutes and washes you in a wave of rapid heartbeat/music appreciating type of feelilng.
Listening
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Yes, very much on the sativa side, though not always 'nice' to me, even though I loves me some sativa. At its best though it can be a great and clear-headed high.
I must admit that I'm intrigued when I hear this as JWH-073 has proven quite psychedelic to me.
That said, my logical side is telling me that the risk (even if small) of smoking this unresearched stuff isn't worth it, given that the real thing is better and a 'known quantity'. Also, and this may totally be just me, I find the stuff slightly habit-forming in a way that isn't a problem for me with weed; maybe it's just the stealth aspect, I'm not sure... I'm meeting up with a friend tonight and giving my 1g to him if he wants it (knowing the risks of course).
hamhurricane
Bluelighter
JWH-200
That is one giant, scary, toxic-looking aromatic hydrocarbon right there. I urge everyone to use the JWH's sparingly until we know more about them.
well...with two oxygens and two nitrogens, its not really a hydrocarbon anymore than psilocin, or LSD for that matter.
but i agree the potential toxicity is of concern. its a darn shame that JWH-073 is, IMO, superior to weed in pretty much every way.
Delsyd
Bluelight Crew
Nope its not just you. My friends and i used to call it cann-crack because of the constant need to redose and the short high.
JWH-200 - Second Taste, Higher Dose
The night before last, I first tried JWH-200. The report for that night can be found in this thread. This time, however, I wanted to increase the dose and decrease the duration of administration. I put music on my iPod and loaded a glass pipe with approx 20-25mg and vaporized it to a thick white cloud, and took long deep tokes. After 3 or 4 tokes, time began to slow and the music changed subtly. My tokes became longer, slower, and deeper until there was only a small amount of residue. I lay down on the bed and with closed eyes and music playing I was transported into a fully developed psychedelic trip. I experienced very nice closed eye visuals in a very pleasant headspace. I had no anxiety or fear; this was a very approachable psychedelic. Body buzz was intense and very pleasant. Sex would have been incredible; alas my wife was out for the evening. This is definitely on my TODO list. At this dose, there was a moderate stimulant effect. My heart rate was increased and I had a nice muscle tension that I get with MDMA or other full-on stimulants. However, the tension was not pushy or overbearing like a proper stimulant. In fact it was quite nice to me, very enjoyable. I let the music immerse me in the psychedelic experience for about an hour before I slowly began returning to base. The head buzz slowly faded, the body buzz disappeared and after about 2-2.5 hours I was back to baseline.
I am experienced with a good variety of psychedelics and I'd have to say this trip was definitely one of my favorites. If the sensations and imagery of last night could be reliably recreated I would easily rank this with MDMA and 2C-B as magical. If combined with MDMA, it would make for a MIND BLOWING experience. Highly recommended!
The night before last, I first tried JWH-200. The report for that night can be found in this thread. This time, however, I wanted to increase the dose and decrease the duration of administration. I put music on my iPod and loaded a glass pipe with approx 20-25mg and vaporized it to a thick white cloud, and took long deep tokes. After 3 or 4 tokes, time began to slow and the music changed subtly. My tokes became longer, slower, and deeper until there was only a small amount of residue. I lay down on the bed and with closed eyes and music playing I was transported into a fully developed psychedelic trip. I experienced very nice closed eye visuals in a very pleasant headspace. I had no anxiety or fear; this was a very approachable psychedelic. Body buzz was intense and very pleasant. Sex would have been incredible; alas my wife was out for the evening. This is definitely on my TODO list. At this dose, there was a moderate stimulant effect. My heart rate was increased and I had a nice muscle tension that I get with MDMA or other full-on stimulants. However, the tension was not pushy or overbearing like a proper stimulant. In fact it was quite nice to me, very enjoyable. I let the music immerse me in the psychedelic experience for about an hour before I slowly began returning to base. The head buzz slowly faded, the body buzz disappeared and after about 2-2.5 hours I was back to baseline.
I am experienced with a good variety of psychedelics and I'd have to say this trip was definitely one of my favorites. If the sensations and imagery of last night could be reliably recreated I would easily rank this with MDMA and 2C-B as magical. If combined with MDMA, it would make for a MIND BLOWING experience. Highly recommended!
Psychedelic Synthetic Cannabanoids?
I posted a trip report from a higher dose of JWH-200 today, but I was not expecting the psychedelic effects to be so intense and well developed. I have not tried any of the other JWH-* compounds, but I'm curious if
a) anyone else got a psychedelic experience from JWH-200? or
b) anyone has gotten a full psychedelic experience off of the other JWHs?
c) if so to either of the above, do you find the magic disappears with repeated use or is it a reliable experience?
I posted a trip report from a higher dose of JWH-200 today, but I was not expecting the psychedelic effects to be so intense and well developed. I have not tried any of the other JWH-* compounds, but I'm curious if
a) anyone else got a psychedelic experience from JWH-200? or
b) anyone has gotten a full psychedelic experience off of the other JWHs?
c) if so to either of the above, do you find the magic disappears with repeated use or is it a reliable experience?
Delsyd
Bluelight Crew
cmccrack, what dose of jwh-200 did you use?
Also i'd like to add that i think cannabinoids in general are/can be psychedelic, including THC and all the others in ganja.
Also i'd like to add that i think cannabinoids in general are/can be psychedelic, including THC and all the others in ganja.
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