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The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

Which synthetic cannabinoid do you like or prefer?

  • JWH-018

    Votes: 89 50.0%

  • JWH-073

    Votes: 30 16.9%

  • JWH-133

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • JWH-200

    Votes: 2 1.1%

  • JWH-250

    Votes: 28 15.7%

  • CP-47,497

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • CP-55,940

    Votes: 8 4.5%

  • HU-210

    Votes: 5 2.8%

  • HU-211

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • WIN 55,212-2

    Votes: 7 3.9%

  • AM-2201

    Votes: 5 2.8%
  • Total voters
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Recipe please =D

I'm particularly interested in the kinda dosage orally as I've only seen a few figures for that and they varied too much for me to trust. Given the potency and my mixed feelings about how enjoyable 018 is I'd really rather not massively overdo it. On the other hand I don't want to have to eat my own bodyweight in brownies to feel anything by being too cautious 8)
 
Stupid question: are these synthetics, like real THC, only fat soluble? I.e. they need to be baked/mixed with oil or butter before eaten? Would love to hear oral dosages / duration / experience, etc.
 
THC is also fat soluble which is why hash brownies and so on work much better than just swallowing a lump of hash or a nug of weed :)

The synthetics can be used in just the same way as the real deal - smoked/vaped or eaten. I've only smoked them but am also interested in trying them orally.

PS: There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers :)

EDIT: Doh! And this was a slightly stupid answer. Think I misread your question - you didn't suggest THC wasn't fat soluble I just misunderstood you. I am but a fool sometimes :o
 
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Shambles said:
Recipe please =D

I'm particularly interested in the kinda dosage orally as I've only seen a few figures for that and they varied too much for me to trust. Given the potency and my mixed feelings about how enjoyable 018 is I'd really rather not massively overdo it. On the other hand I don't want to have to eat my own bodyweight in brownies to feel anything by being too cautious 8)
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depends on how strong you want them, 120 mg for a full batch of brownies = only eat a half a brownie at a time.

I just followed a modified Cannabis Brownie recipe, just substitute Cannabis with 120 mg of jwh-018:

1.) Prepare 120 mg of jwh-018

2.) Pour a half cup of veggie oil into a pan.

3.) Heat on medium to low for 2 minutes.

4.) Dump jwh-018 into the oil.

5.) Constantly stir the oil mixture for 15 minutes.

6.) Follow the directions/recipe on the back of the box

Final Product:

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Holy shit thats a great idea. I haven't had much luck just downing JWH with liquid. 50mg of JWH-073 was very mild. I imagine this is a better way to get it absorbed.

Contrary to what most people in this thread have said I find JWH-018 to be superior to 073 when smoked/vaporized. Definitely more interesting effects.

073 makes me kinda giggly but it doesn't really give me the full body stone or mental effects that I like which is why I would always choose cannabis over it. JWH-018 is interesting to me because of it's more psychedelic effects. I don't really get too much anxiety from it although it does get a bit weird at higher doses.

Anyone tried the JWH-250 that has just become available?
 
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I received a sample of JWH-073 recently, and as a nightly pot-smoker I was very curious to see what it was like. My first trial was through vaporization a few days ago, and I was somewhat under-impressed. The best way I could describe it would be like somewhat generic feeling weed. The lack of weed taste while vaporizing bothered me more than I expected. Also, being a sativa smoker, I didn't find it as energising as I generally enjoy.

Last night I decided to give it another try; orally this time. I dropped 20mg into a capsule and filled the rest of the capsule with canola oil, before mixing it around and capping it up. At T+1:30, I was worried that it was a dud because I had eaten the capsule on an empty stomach and if it was weed, I would have been into it by then (usually 45m-90m). For JWH-073, however, I only got into full effects about 2 hours after eating the capsule. Effects peaked at ~T+3h and were gone by ~T+5h. The high was actually much better than I expected from my vaporisation trial, and I think I'll be consuming the rest of my JWH-073 this way. It also did a great job of bringing back some of my 4-AcO-DMT trip of the previous day; colors were brighter, etc. It was somewhat short-lived, but was a strong and enjoyable high. It's worth mentioning that it felt as if my physical coordination was slightly off, even though I'm not usually impaired to any noticeable extent with weed.

As I write this, it's the morning after, and I feel as if I have a hangover of sorts. Then again, it was a bit of wild weekend with 4-AcO-DMT, too much weed, too much alcohol and too much coffee, so maybe that's not the JWH's fault. From what I've read about JWH-018, it sounds like I'd probably enjoy that one even more, but I'm still left thinking that, as long as I can, I'll stick to weed.

BTW, is there a consensus on how good JWH-018 mixed with -073 is? Intuitively, it sounds like it would better replicate the complexity of effects of real weed...?
 
I've found JWH-018 very finicky to take orally. The first time I tried it I had 15mg dissolved in alcohol and was blasted, but subsequent attempts were all unsuccessful. Im not sure why this is, but now I just stick to smoking it.
 
I can't find anything on duration/intensity comparisons. Is there anyone out there that has had any of the popular JWHs (073,018,250,200) and could give a fair comparison?
 
I've only tried 018 and 073, but as far as intensity goes, it depends on what you mean. 018 is the most potent synthetic by weight (someone correct me if not), I smoke about 1.5-2X more 073 to get roughly comparable effects. It's hard to compare objectively, since the character each one's high is so different. 018 feels more like sativa, 073 more indica. Personally, I find 073 somewhat euphoric and 018 a bit dysphoric, especially at higher doses. I can't put my finger on what exactly, but there's something about 018 I don't trust, particularly when I start getting weird painful sensations in my extremities (probably just minor panic symptoms, but who really knows?). 073 feels warm and familiar, and just nice in general.

018 seems to last around 2-3 hours, with a gradual dropoff in effects. 073 cuts off a bit sooner, and more suddenly.

Wikipedia says 073's C2 affinity is 5x stronger than its affinity for C1. Does anyone have data on 018's affinities? It seems like the subjective differences between their effects could help us learn a lot about the differences between cannabinoid receptors.
 
Followup to my initial post on JWH-073: Twice this week I got way too high by smoking small amounts of it (which didn't jibe with how high I got both by vaporizing and eating it).

I've been smoking pot several times per week (sometimes every day) for a few years, and it has been a looong time (like 3 years) since I've had any sort of comparable effect from too much weed (from eating a cookie that was too potent). Therefore it's a bit disconcerting that this stuff could put me in a bad space so easily.

In addition, the high I'm getting from JWH-073 (particularly during these episodes) isn't quite a weed high to me. It has similar components, but it also differs in some ways. I find it to be more psychedelic than weed, but not always in a desirable way (and especially not if you're not expecting it). I don't feel sharp/myself/healthy with it.

I've decided that this stuff isn't for me. On the positive side, the two incidents with this chemical have made me seriously rethink my regular indulgence in drugs, and I've decided to slow things down in general.
 
Listening. That's a common side effect of JWH. What you're saying. I did the same thing at first. Almost flushed all my shit. I swore I'd never do it again. It makes you paranoid as hell too.
But now I smoke JWH 018 daily cuz I have a mouth swab at work. That paranoia wears off. Kinda like when you VERY first smoked weed and showed up at work or school too high, remember freaking out? But after smoking weed for a while daily it never happens again. The same way here. I was smoking SUPER kind everyday and got no THC withdrawals becuz of the JWH. I still sleep and eat fine. Once I flew to LA for work which meant no wed for three days and I slept like 30 minutes a night, so I know what THC withdrawal feels like. My theory is THC stimulates CB1- which makes you paranoid until you develop a tolerance. So maybe JWH overstimulates CB1 until u develop a tolerance. It's just surprising that the THC tolerance doesn't cross over, but really no reason it should.
 
Couple of questions on jwh 250 and cp 55490

Let's start with jwh-250. As many certainly know by now this compound doesn't last very long when smoked. I'm wondering if anyone tried taking this orally and how long the effects lasted then? (also dose taken would be good to know).



About CP 55490 I'm wondering if it's soluble in acetone like the jwh's are?

Also wondering what the common price is?
 
CP 55,940 should be soluble in acetone, based on structure alone. I looked up one study that mentioned dissolving it in acetone for a particular experimental administration to rats. I don't see why you'd have any problem there.

In regards to JWH-250, I have never seen any reports of oral dosage but perhaps someone else could tell you. The only place I know of for buying this compound has it listed at ~$some for 1 gram.
 
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CP 55,940 should be soluble in acetone, based on structure alone. I looked up one study that mentioned dissolving it in acetone for a particular experimental administration to rats. I don't see why you'd have any problem there.

In regards to JWH-250, I have never seen any reports of oral dosage but perhaps someone else could tell you. The only place I know of for buying this compound has it listed at ~$some for 1 gram.
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Thanks.

Regarding the price, did you refer to jwh-250 or cp 55,940?
 
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At last I have an identifiable named synthetic cannabinoid in my possession (and, right now, in my brain). For years I have been intermittently (daily, for a while now) been smoking brand-name smoking mixtures with unspecified synthetic cannabinoids in them, primarily the one called 'Smoke'. It's a nice change to be smoking a specific cannabinoid, at a specified dose.

I am half-way through smoking a 10 mg (+/- 2 mg) JWH-073 joint (mixed with neutral plant mixture), and am quite surprised and impressed by the nature and intensity of the effects. A nice body high that I haven't felt for a while, and rarely on non-THC cannabinoids (perhaps the first few time I tried Smoke - after having only had Spice previously). A sort of warm glowing pressure radiating out from the chest, a tingling in the head; all quite pleasant. And quite a stoned euphoric mindset.
 
For the chronic stoner, I'm beginning to think CP 55940 has it all. If you toke a few milligrams twice a day you never come down. The high is as clear and sharp as JWH-018's. I can't believe it's a full agonist at CB1 receptors though, because no matter how much I smoke I never get higher. I can take a tiny hit of cannabis or JWH-018 and get a lot higher after any enormous dose of CP 55940.
 
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