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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Solubility & Stability Thread

I use vodka for making solutions with all of my phenethylamines, and I've never had a problem. I haven't ever had 2C-C, but with 2C-I, E, and T-21, and DOC and DOI, a fifth of vodka was plenty for dissolving 250mg to a gram of substance in. The bottle makes a handy container too, just make sure you label it very clearly so your friends don't go taking shots of it. =)
 
You can use vodka/everclear but I prefer plain old water (distilled of course) so that I can use it rectally as well if needed. It is perfectly soluble in water, as are most PEAs and tryptamines.
 
So if I have 1G (1000mg) I can dissolve it in a solution of 100ml of distilled water and each ML=10mg? Do you recommend a different amount of H20? Also, distilled water can be bought at the grocery store, correct?


Sorry, i should UTSE but I like direct answers :)
 
.Felix. said:
So if I have 1G (1000mg) I can dissolve it in a solution of 100ml of distilled water and each ML=10mg? Do you recommend a different amount of H20? Also, distilled water can be bought at the grocery store, correct?
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See my response in the liquid measurement thread for the answer to the first questions.

I have always bought my distilled water in the pharmacy, they usually have it, but if you can find it anywhere else it's fine.
 
The only compound I have experienced a large amount of degradation with is 4-AcO-DET freebase. It seems to be reactive with something atmospheric, as the powder at the bottom is still stable and a light tan. The purity is still very high, and it appears that the degraded products are the result of the migration of the acetyl group to the indolic nitrogen resulting in a destabilization of the ring system and therefore a high energy form that establishes the brown-black color. Because this would be cleaved easily in the stomach, the worst case is that your 4-AcO product will become tainted with some of the 4-HO product in terms of psychoactive effect. Seal with argon if possible.
 
AMT not dissolving in water

Got my 250mg AMT sitting in 50ml of pure bottled water. Not really dissolving. Adding heat didnt help.

Says I got HCL so I assume I do.

I would assume like every other chem I've ever had it should dissolve in a 5mg/ml ratio, but if not tell me! Or If I got freebase, then should I consider letting the water evaporate, and use it smoked?
 
If it doesn't dissolve it's probably freebase (i guess). Try adding few drops of muriatic acid and see if it does. I wouldn't keep it in solution for a longer period, since aMT isn't the most stable molecule.

Smoking freebase should work, but the smoke is VERY harsh
 
ChasingTheCat said:
If it doesn't dissolve it's probably freebase (i guess). Try adding few drops of muriatic acid and see if it does. I wouldn't keep it in solution for a longer period, since aMT isn't the most stable molecule.
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Agreed. aMT.HCl should readily dissolve. If it doesn't you most likely got the freebase. Either way just add 1 drop at a time of muriatic acid until it dissolves. Only use as much acid as you need. Muriatic acid is really concentrated so it should take much.

If I ever got AMT freebase I would leave it as so. Means it's more versatile and being able to vaporize it would be a plus. If it's just sitting there floating on the top of the solution you might be able to scoop it off and let it dry out.
 
Yeah... me no have any HCl laying around... Guess its time to go hunting in Peru for another thing.

I swear my nearby stores have to think I'm insane. I've been buying/looking for a lot of random shit lately..
 
You could seperate the freebase from the water with a coffee filter. I guess they should be available in Peru ;)
 
The AMT HCl I received recently didn't dissolve readily in water either. I agitated for 15 minutes in warm water before saying screw it and shot it up anyway (RA). Perhaps I was simply impatient, though. The effects were still lovely :P
 
Maybe try other acids. Citric acid should be easy to find. It'll be in almost any grocery store; it'll produce aMT citrate. Acetic acid (vinegar) might also work but you'll be diluting your solution because it's not too strong, it'll produce aMT acetate.

Sulphuric acid is battery acid and should be able to be found at an auto parts supplier. This one's kinda dangerous though; it's VERY strong and being used on car batteries they might put other things in it. If you do find it make sure it is pure sulphuric acic (H2SO4) wihtout anything else in it. It'll produce AMT sulphate.

I honestly think the best substitute is citric acid. It comes as a powder, just add some of the powder until it dissolves, again, not too much, just enough to make it dissolve. If you're going to plug it you sure don't want an acidic solution 8o

edit: should also mention muriatic acid (HCl) is sold as a paint stripper in nearly any paint supply or hardware store.
 
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Bought muriatic acid just a bit ago, and put 3ml into 80ml of water with my 250mg of AMT.

Dissolved quite easily. And now I have almost exactly 3mg/ml of liquid.
 
I would think so.. if your bunghole can handle spicy food then sure.

And i'm not plannin on pluggin anyway.
 
delsymfan said:
Bought muriatic acid just a bit ago, and put 3ml into 80ml of water with my 250mg of AMT.

Dissolved quite easily. And now I have almost exactly 3mg/ml of liquid.
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eeeks, that's a lot of muriatic acid. I meant adding it drop by drop. That's likely going to be a very low pH solution, it might not burn to the touch but it's not good either. You might want to to balance it out with a base if you can (again not too much or else you'll precipitate your AMT). dealing with strong acids and bases is very much a fine science, drop by drop.
 
Well like whats the worst that can happen from doing what I did?

Im gonna mix part of my solution with something else to drink it later anyway. Like a glass of soda. I always do it that way.
 
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