☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Solubility & Stability Thread

[swilow]

^Test what? Vodka is relatively sterile. I can't imagine anything to bizarre happenning. Did you use tap water?

 

[marklar_the_23rd]

test a small bit of 4ho-dipt in vodka to make sure it doesnt turn black. i'm not saying it will, but wouldnt you be pissed if you put all your shit in there and it turned black and no one mentioned that possibility to you?

i used distilled water. i too, didnt see anything bizarre happening, nor had i read reports of that happening. since then i have heard about the "black sludge" and that its still active but... its black and looks nasty... i wouldnt eat/drink it.

 

[Xorkoth]

Do you know if your 4-HO-DiPT is freebase or a salt? If it's a salt, hopefully it's fumarate... if so, it should be much more stable. The HCl salt and I believe the freebase are quite unstable and should be stored accordingly. I think keeping it in the cold and dark away from air in vodka would be okay, but like marklar said, best to test with a small amount first.

I keep my 4-substituted tryptamines that are fumarate salts in jars away from liquid, and they have all lasted just fine. Unless you need to do liquid measurement I suggest doing the same.

It seems that it's common these days for the 4-sub-tryptamines to be made as fumarate salts.

 

[B9]

I know this is PD but Other Drugs subforum isn't nearly as sophisticated...
A friend of mine has alprazolam (xanax) in powder form, and wants to use liquid volumetric measurement. However it seems this compound is not water soluble but is in ethanol.
Can he use vodka or will a substance like this crash out because of the water? I'm a chemist but I still don't understand when stuff precipitates...
Also please tell me if I'm right to think an alprazolam in EtOH solution is very stable???
Thank you

Apparently I didn't search well enough the first time. It seems dissolving it in as highly concentrated ethanol as I can find is one way to go. It will go nicely into my friends toxic cabinet.

Aprazolam in vodka or IPA is fine - be careful to seal it properly or the resultant increase in strength from evaporation could cause a higher dose to be taken than intended.

 

[grimble crumble]

ive read that 4-aco-dipt doesnt do so well stored dissolved in a liquid. how long would 4-aco-dipt last stored in its powder form in an airtight vial in a dark cool place?

im really considering getting some but I worried about its stability for long term storage. yes i know its more stable than 4-ho-dipt but what kind of window our we lookin at here

 

[France]

Hi there...

I was wondering if any Canadians can help me out on this one...

A friend of mine wanted to dissolve 2ce in everclear or some other highproof alcohol but tells me he can't find any in his area.

His local LCBO doesn't carry it.

What can he do in this case? He says he doesn't want to use water as he plans on long term storage...

 

[Xorkoth]

Your friend can use vodka or another liquor, preferrably clear. It will work just as well. I just use Everclear because it's available, it's cheaper, and it leaves less liquor taste/other materials. But a clear alcohol like vodka should not contain anything that would be harmful to the drug.

 

[BongFish]

so dissolve a known amount into a counted # of drops of high-proof booze (ex: 100 mg into 25 drops hot vodka ---> ~4mg/drop)(if you warm the booze it will dissolve more quickly, but may be evaporating as you stir & dropwise deposit the charged solution onto the waiting carrier...)
ymmv...
void where prrohibited by law...

There is a problem with this albeit not a huge one: A high concentration solution will have a different viscosity and density than pure water/alcohol resulting in different drop volume. I noticed this with a fairly low conc doc in water solution (1mg/drop) and what was originaly 300 drops became more like 350.

 

[swilow]

Do you know if your 4-HO-DiPT is freebase or a salt? If it's a salt, hopefully it's fumarate... if so, it should be much more stable. The HCl salt and I believe the freebase are quite unstable and should be stored accordingly. I think keeping it in the cold and dark away from air in vodka would be okay, but like marklar said, best to test with a small amount first.

I keep my 4-substituted tryptamines that are fumarate salts in jars away from liquid, and they have all lasted just fine. Unless you need to do liquid measurement I suggest doing the same.

It seems that it's common these days for the 4-sub-tryptamines to be made as fumarate salts.

Its the salt, don't know what form, but I keep it (4-Ho-DiPT) in a baggie in a baggie in the freezer with a desicant. Is that cautious enough? I havne't actually looked at it for a while....

 

[Event]

Amt hcl

I've just acquired a gram of AMT HCL and having no mg scale, I was wondering what's the best solvent for a long term storage for my AMT HCL ?

I need info asap

 

[Blador]

2C-I barely soluble on isopropanol? Old isopropanol?

I put 100mg of 2c-i on about 5ml of isopropanol and it barely went into solution. I'd say about 10% of it dissolved. Submerging the vial in pre-boiled water didn't help much. I gave up, and then tried to make the same solution on 40% ethanol, which worked great.

That first failure seems weird, as some people have recommended isopropanol for 2c-i solutions. I am wondering then if my isopropanol is too old and maybe got broken down into something else. It is about 5 yrs old and the bottle says it's good until FEB/06 (but I don't really believe in this kind of information). I have also forgotten the lid open several times throughout the years.

I counldn't find information on breakdown products of this alcohol, can anyone help me?

 

[Youpi]

4-HO-MiPT - Solution

Hey,

I recently got 260mg 4-ho-mipt, but the problem is that I have no scale.
As I always did without problems with all RCs I got (2c-e, 2c-d, 5-meo-mipt), I would like to use liquid measurement, but the problem is that I read that this compound is very unstable in solution, and I would need to keep it for a few months.

Anyone had experiences with making a solution with it ?
Does anyone have a clue with rectal/plugging dosages ?

Thanks,

 

[Delsyd]

i neve had 4-ho-mipt in solution but my 4-aco-mipt solution turned brown within a c few days and continued to get darker.
When i saw this start to happen i used it all up quickly so as not to lose it to degradation.

I think 4-ho-mipt may be the same. Though most miprocin around today is the fumurate which is said to be more stable than Hcl (my 4 aco mipt was hcl).

For rectal admin try half of an oral dose, i'd guess ~10mg for the hcl or ~13mg for the fumurate.

oh and welcome to BL. The mission of this site is harm reduction, so in the spirit of harm reduction im going to recomend you get a scale that can weigh in milligrams.

stay safe, happy trails

miprocin used to be one of my favorite psychs, im sure you'll enjoy it.

 

[instink]

The other day I got some 4-aco-dmt and mixed it in a solution of 40% alcahol and put it in the freezer... only now am i reading the posts about tryptamines deteriorating over time in solution... does this still apply if it's frozen? I'm really worried becuase I bought enough to last me a long time... if it lasts though! Thanks for any advice

 

[Recept]

^ It is true that some tryptamines are quite unstable when stored this way, however this doesn't apply for all of them. Personally, I had 4-AcO-DMT stored the same way as you, and I noticed no significant loss in potency over time. I didn't store it that way for a very long time tough, a few months tops, but it seems to be rather stable when stored that way, as opposed to for example 4-HO-DiPT which degraded awfully fast in solution.

 

[ChasingTheCat]

liquid measurement

I've got a little question about liquid measurement and storage.

What solvent should I use? It should keep for at least half a year, if necessary in a freezer. It should evaporate whitout too much effort for nasal application and ideally be drinkable in small quantities, so I don't have to evapourate it (completely) before using that route.
I thought of isopropanol, maybe 10mg/ml. What about the solubility?

 

[Shakti]

IDK exactly how soluble 2c-c is but I would go with ethanol. It should be able to swallow up 10mg/ml. That way you can freeze it and you can drink it.

 

[.Felix.]

I will be obtaining 1g of 2c-c. I was curious about scale? (sorry if this has been posted) I currently have a .01 scale but would like to give this a test before I am sure if i really want it all. Is that out of the question to use the .01? If .001 is a necessity for any try which would be recommended? As a lot of you know, many BLers want to get the top ranking cheapest scale.

 

[Recept]

You can use the scale you have to weigh out a known quantity, then use liquid measurement to measure out your doses. 2C-C stores very well in a solution, so you can comfortably dissolve a fairly large quantity.

 

[.Felix.]

You can use the scale you have to weigh out a known quantity, then use liquid measurement to measure out your doses. 2C-C stores very well in a solution, so you can comfortably dissolve a fairly large quantity.

what is it soluble in? I am very retarded on the subject of dissolving my RCs into a solution. Is there a thread on it?