evlove said:
How much mescaline is in your san pedro? How much psilocybin is in your mushrooms? LSD? MDxx (do you even know what chemical this is supposed to be)? Ayahuasca?
There is a
huge difference between eating mushrooms, cacti, ayahuasca brews, morning glory, hits of LSD, etc and eating pure compounds like 4-AcO-MiPT, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-T-2, iprocin, and now the strong and very rare 2C-P, 2C-T-21, 5-MeO-MiPT and others that have no known safety record.
The ayahuasca vine, DMT, ethocin, hashish, ibogaine, LSAs including LSD, 5-MeO-DMT, mescaline, psilocybin, salvinorin A, and such and such have proven themselves to be remarkably safe drugs. They all (but ethocin and LSD) have been used by people since recorded history and have a safety-record countless years old going for them. Only mescaline has a lower margin of safety between a psychedelic dosage and a toxic dosage compared to the rest. And the difference between a trippy dose of mescaline and a toxic one is still very large. Big difference between these and experimental research chemicals in which the short-term and long-term effects are still unknown.
Furthermore, we are not talking about powders here where the amount the size of two or three of these "O"s can represent an amount that may hospitalize a person. When talking about sacred mushrooms, morning glory, mescaline-cacti, etc; we are talking about plant-matter in which several grams, or even ounces, must be consumed to get to a psychedelic state.
Many of these research psychedelics (alpha-MT, alpha-O-DMS, 2C-I, 2C-T-7, DPT to name a few) have caused alarming side-effects in dosages that are within the usual psychoactive range that people use. Amounts of alpha-O-DMS that look like a few grains of salt have put people in the hospital.
I've never heard of such problems associated with psilocybin, DMT, or mescaline. 5-Ho-DMT (bufotenine) is the only natural psychedelic I can think of with alarming physical side-effects. That, and ungodly high dosages of iboaga. And the 5-HO-DMT thing is really not all that well known. The only human studies on this one involved scared and helpless mental patients who were injected with 5-Ho-DMT in a white, sterile hospital without their concent. It seems just fine when used in cohoba snuffs along with DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. Some strains of cohoba are mostly 5-Ho-DMT.
Furthermore, psilocybin, DMT, mescaline, etc are
HIGHLY diluted by the plant matter that contains them. Again, one must eat a few grams of mushrooms to trip, or up to an ounce of peyote, iboga, or morning glory seeds to trip. And drinking a cup of ayahuasca is not an easy thing to do and it's unlikely someone is going to keep drinking enough to hurt themselves. The natural psychedelics have a built-in safety factor by tasting so bad and being so weak. Only a few species of mushrooms or baby woodrose seeds would be easy natural psychedelics to overdose on.
And it's not like an extra 1/4 of a dose of peyote or psilocybin mushrooms is going to double the intensity of the high. Yet with 2C-E, and extra 4mg (for a total of 20mg) was
twice as intense as my 16mg dosage. Many of these synthetic psychedelics have very erratic dose/response curves. And because of this, exact amounts being taken must be known if you care about your safety and having any idea how deep you are going to go.
And yes, LSD and MDMA are unpredictable if sold on the black market in pills/tabs. But I don't use street MDMA. And the LSD I am familiar with, each drop is standardized and I know what it does and how high I will get from taking it because I've been working with it for years. And while a teen, I did take LSD that was WAY stronger than I anticipated...I was always smart and used it in a safe and controlled setting. And I was ok. And you can't die from an LSD overdose.
I see where you are coming from, comparing cacti or mushrooms with varying amounts of psilocybin or mescaline to taking dosages of some of the synthetics. But it's not a good analogy for the reasons I just gave you.
The only smart thing when using pure psychedelic compounds is to get a proper .001g or .002g scale. Anything less are just sad excuses one can make to justify risky and dangerous behavior. Considering I saw a Tanita 1210 for $150 the other day at ebay, it just further convinces me that those who don't buy a good scale just don't care about their safety. And I don't really care. That's one's own choice. But many of these people distribute unknown dosages of these psychedelics to others and it really makes me angry. It is also really unethical and as dangerous and inexcusable as driving drunk.
