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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Solubility & Stability Thread

2C-I

I know that 50 mg will easily disolve in 1 ml (1 cc) of water with a little heat. It will recrystalize a bit if you store it in the fridge, but easily goes back into solution if you let the glass vial it should be stored in soak in warm water for a few minutes. Don't ask how I know. :)
 
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If a substance is not soluble to your liking for ease of dosing, why not just use volume measurement then evaporate off the solvent of a known volumetric dose, then cap the powder.
 
2C-T-2

Thanks for the thread, I didn't know there was a "mega" thread on this. But even after reading it, it still does not answer the question. I know that 2C-T-2 is soluble in water and alcohol. My main question was is vodka which is only 80 proof (ie 40% alcohol 60% not) high enough alcohol that the impurities in the vodka won't break down the 2C-T-2? Another way of saying that is, would the impurities in vodka break down 2C-T-2 more than distilled water? I know how to do liquid measurement and I know the solubility of it. I was concerned mainly with the 2C-T-2 being broke down in the vodka. I have no access to everclear (being illegal in my state). So my mine choices are vodka or distilled water, I was just wondering which was best. Thanks.
 
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and for the peopel who have a scale : in which range are the "error" concerning the wheight from the lab-seller ?
are they "dangerous" (ex : 120 mg instead of 100 mg) or "insignifiant" (ex :102,3,4,5 mg instead of 100 mg)
thanks!
 
IAP (indanylaminopropane) solubility

is IAP water soluble? if not, would it dissolve in alcohol ( 50% ethanol or 70% isopropanol)?
 
Help finding a 5-MeO-AMT thread / info please

About 6 weeks ago or so, I found some information on a 5-MeO-AMT thread regarding storage. Now, I can't find it...and I can't be 100% certain of what it said since I didn't link to it or copy it, and I find myself questioning my memory...I've spent the last couple hours reading every 5-MeO-AMT thread I can find here at Bluelight, and haven't found my answer...so at the risk of getting flamed, here goes:

I dissolved 500mg of 5-MeO-AMT into 200ml of Bacardi 151. I am specifically looking for information directly from people who have also used this method...how long does the drug keep in this state?

I seem to remember reading where someone had bacardi/5-MeO-AMT solution stored in a dark tupperwear container for 6 months+ with no loss in potency, but as I said, I can't find it.

Can anyone help me out who has used Bacardi 151 to liquid-measure their 5-MeO-AMT? Trying to figure out how long this stuff is going to last me....

Thanks all
Mikhail
 
Thanks iso240...I partially answered my own question.

I can now verify that 5-MeO-AMT dissolved in Bacardi 151 apparently does not lose any potency after being stored in an airtight, dark container for approximately 30 days. I know this isn't much, but at least it's something.

Unfortunately, I probably will not be able to provide any further data on this subject since I don't plan on taking this substance again. Who knows...I'll just keep the tupperware container in a dark drawer, and maybe try it again in at least a few months...if I do, I'll report back here with my findings.

Mikhail
 
Legal issue with liquid measurement

I'm not sure, but I think there is a potential legal issue with the liquid measurement technique. Most federal and state controlled substance laws, including the analogue laws, are concerned with the aggregate weight of the possessed substance. Think about this, a 1mg/1ml solution turns 1 gram of a chemical into 1000 grams or even more (1 liter of liquid = more then 1000 grams) when weighed. This could turn what should be a low qty. charge into a major qty. charge resulting in very severe sentences if charged and prosecuted.

This certainly is not fair but if you read the law, it's what it says!

Maybe a legal mod could comment on this.
 
Re: Dilute, dilute, OK!

evlove said:
For those without a scale (or not in certain "elite circles"), volumetric measurements can *still* help you out more than mere eyeballing and allow for semi-predictable and repeatable results in terms of dosage.

Owning a scale has nothing to do with being elite. It has to do have having a damn brain in your head and not being an irresponsible idiot when working with potent and pure chemicals active in milligram amounts. And volumetric measurements are worthless if you don't know how much you are starting off with, i.e. you don't have a scale to weigh it before you add the liquid.

As pointed out many, many times now; vendors often send more or less than the stated amount. Sometimes a LOT more or less. 3.3 grams of 5-MeO-AMT instead of 1 gram! 700mg instead of 250mg! This goes to show one should at least buy a scale accurate to 10mg so you can have a semi-accurate clue for weighing amounts of 1/4 gram or more and then using the liquid method. And a scale accurate to .01 does not cost much at all. No more than whatever you are buying to measure out! "I don't have the money" is a bull-shit excuse. If one really doesn't have the money, then they should store whatever chemical they have until they can get a scale.

Damn. And I thought I was lucky when I got that extra half gram. I wish I would get an extra 2 grams.
 
Not having a scale is just fucking irresponsible in my opinion. Imagine you share one of these Chems with your group of friends and one of them gets a huge dose - is your friend's life worth 50 bucks to you?
OK, so 0.001 scales may be expensive as hell, but how about this ... go to Ebay.com, type "0.01 scale" and you'll find plenty in the 40/50 dollar range ... and yes, I do understand that a 0.01 (100th of a gram) is not accurate enough but we gotta be realistic here: Are people really going to spend that much money on a scale? We could tell them to get 0.001 scales a thousand times and they still wouldn't, so at least get an 0.01 scale, which is, almost good enough for Research Chems in the 20 mg range.
If you're willing to spend 200 bucks on something, why does the idea of spending 50 more to make that certain something a lot safer scare you lot? My personal pick would be the DW50AS.

* I don't know if the eBay thing was a source or not ... well I guess everyone could have pretty much figured that out by themselves ... it's eBay. If it's not on eBay, it doesn't exist.
 
1.000 <-- gram
0.100 <-- tenth of a gram
0.010 <-- hundreth of a gram
0.001 <-- milligram (which is what you should have)

So yeah, a 0.01 works for measuring 100 mgs, no problem with that. You might have something like 95 mg or up to 105 that way (methinks)
With some chemicals however that just does NOT cut it.
 
morninggloryseed said:
Owning a scale has nothing to do with being elite. It has to do have having a damn brain in your head and not being an irresponsible idiot when working with potent and pure chemicals active in milligram amounts. And volumetric measurements are worthless if you don't know how much you are starting off with, i.e. you don't have a scale to weigh it before you add the liquid.

MGS, I was replying to an earlier thread which claimed the association of owning a scale and membership in the elite circle.

All drug use has some level of risk associated with it. Harm reduction assumes that even if people decide to take a certain level of risk (whatever that may be), they are still people who deserve respect and deserve to be helped and educated to reduce that risk.
(http://www.dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/risk.php)

It is obvious that measuring your dosages on an accurate scale is the best way to ensure your dosage won't be higher than xx mg’s (it could always be less if you aren't sure of purity). No one is arguing that point.

However, if someone who refuses to buy a scale (or won’t be buying a scale anytime soon-and we know you’re out there) wants to know a better and more accurate method of dividing doses than simply eyeballing, liquid measurement offers some advantages.

I'd bet that many, if not all, of the people posting about "how dumb people without scales must be" have taken...(gasp!)...unknown doses of psychedelic drugs before (perhaps even psychedelic research chemicals). I know I have. I believe this is an inherent aspect of most illicit and grey market drug use.

How much mescaline is in your san pedro? How much psilocybin is in your mushrooms? LSD? MDxx (do you even know what chemical this is supposed to be)? Ayahuasca?

In most of these cases, the manner in which optimal dosing is discovered is by trial and error (of a particular batch). Finding your own optimum dosage of any psychedelic research chemical involves the same process, even if you have a scale. You will not know your optimal dosage until you try it. I see many people with a scale try the upper limits of Shulgin’s dosage range for their first experiment and this is arguably not very responsible either.

The advantage liquid measurement offers over straight eyeballing is a relative idea of the strength of xx ml of one’s solution, which allows one to accurately adjust future dosages from previous experience. Before I had a scale (gasp!), I would eyeball what I thought looked like 10 medium to low doses (based on previous experience, total amount I was supposed to get from vendor, etc.) and dissolve them in EtOH, then I would start with about half a dose, then depending on how that felt, move to 75% or 100% or even 125% or 150% of a dose or sometimes I would even stay at 50% (although not often). Liquid measurement takes some of the variability out of subsequent dosing from a particular solution and this is important for safety.

Of course, without a scale at all, you will not know how many milligrams are in your solution, but you also won’t know how many milligrams of psilocybin are in 3.5 grams of batch ‘a’ mushrooms. All drug use has some level of risk and experimental psychedelics has more than its fair share, but you can reduce the risk of taking too much by taking things slow and being careful.

(Also, someone brought up legal considerations for having chemicals in liquid and I would just like to point out that there are legal ramifications for owning a scale too.)

Again, nothing beats a scale for accuracy and if anyone plans to research like this, I’d highly recommend a scale (even .01 g will get you started). Using liquid measurement techniques, you can turn a .01 g scale into .001 g accuracy. However, if you are not going to get a scale, please take whatever precautions are available to you to stay safe.

Hope this helps.
 
how bout this..

What sort of shelf life can one expect from 2c-i disolved in alcohol? I would expect it would be less than if you kept it in original powder form. Maybe i'm wrong?

How long have you let your solution sit and still gotten full potency from it?
 
The liquid measurement techniques report at Erowid mentions that the resulting liquid can be soaked onto blotter paper. I know this isn't for storage, but would a 14 mg dose of 2C-I fit onto a reasonable-sized square of blotter paPer? How about 7 mg? Would leaving it that way in, say a small,plastic, durable baggie for a day or two cause a drastic deterioration of the substance?
 
Just do it and report back the results. There isn't really a good reason for doing this unless you have no capsules or you want to sell it as acid. A capsule would be a much better way. I understand some advantages of blotter like concealment but don't be an idiot and show them off to your friends as 2cb blotter, acid or whatever. Its just wrong.

I think it will work with the proper size paper.
 
No, I'm not going to distribute it as acid, I just find that it would fit better in my wallet or somesuch (<--LOL, funny word!). I don't plan to store it for very long, just gonna soakit, dry it, and head off somewhere then take it there.

Sure, i'd be more than glad to post my results.
 
I would love to have some 2C-I blotters instead of caps. I don't see why anyone wouldn't. I mean it's not like most people are going to go off and sell it as Acid, although I understand there WILL be some cases (which is very unfortunate). I enjoy blotter art, creating it and dealing with it, and think it would be much more interesting than a clear cap.
 
Is blank, perforated blotter paper available? I've been all over the web and can only find art blotter. Or brown, unperforated blotter paper from Stationary stores. Is that the right kind? I'm not asking where I can find blank perforated blotter, just if it is available, and if that brown blotter can be used as a substitute for perforated, blank blotter.
 
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