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The Big & Dandy Salvia Thread - Second iteration

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I've been experimenting more &... I see what youre saying (to above poster). If you try to fight it the least bit, it turns into a horribly uncomfortable experience.

However, if you can just lay back and let it overtake you, not move around, and not have any outside disturbances, you can have an amazing journey.

I have to have my eyes closed in a dim place with everything still to get a full experience. I remember my dog moving around and rubbing against me was enough to snap me back into reality (and made me have really negative feelings towards my sweet puppy at the time). If I open my eyes it becomes uncomfortable and I snap back into reality.

On the other hand... the first time I broke through was in the woods at night with a few friends around a campfire... but that was a big hit of salvia.........
 
i use to love salvia i just love hallucinating and not even being able to move i have had many experiences with salvia from out of body to fist fights with big bird coming out of a door of light been bought 2 years since i fucked with it i should get some more befor it goes illegal


and almost every time i came out of it laying face down in a puddle of my own drool
 
Salvia disappointment

Ok my friend got an ounce of salvia (15x) and smoked hella of it with his brother and his brothers friend. None of them liked the feeling so he gave the rest to me. At first, i thought it was fake and thought it was basil. I have never seen Salvia before so i wasnt sure. So me and my other friend were like 'Lets go hit it, if it works, then it is salvia, if not, he gave me fake shit'. So i packed a bowl of it in my ghetto pipe and i got first hit. I held it in for like 15 seconds, but couldnt hold it in any longer cause I didnt get a good breathe. So then i blow it out, and my friend is taking his hit. Well we keep passing it back and forth about 3 big hits each, and i am like, wtf, i dont feel shit. Then my friend starts trippin out [after like 30 seconds from the last hit]. He starts saying like "DUDE WTF IS GOING ON, HOLY SHIT, DUDE...etc etc". And the next thing i know he starts walkin away (walked to his class). We could all stand up fine, but i didnt feel anything at ALL. I was thinking that he was faking it or something, or it was in his head. After school, I told my other friend to come try it. We went to a creek, and i swear i held in the smoke for over 45+ seconds. After getting about 3 hits of those, my friend and i started CRACKING UP. It fueled my laughter, and my laughter fueled his. He kept saying "WHAT THE HELL WHY AM I LAUGHING HAAHA" and after our laughing fit, he says he was like blacking out and felt like he was in some dream state, and couldnt stop laughing. After smoking about 3 packed bowls of this shit, i just felt like i was mildly high of marijuanna for about 10 minutes, and thats about it!

On the other hand, my friend tripped his ass off. i could tell that he was because we were sitting down facing each other the whole time, and he went to get my attention but instead of looking forward (where i was) he looked to his right, and made a motion like he was nudging me with his hand, and stared to his right SWEARING i was right there. When i saw him do this i said "Im right in front of you!" Then he got spooked out and started cracking up again.

I was fully conscious of everything, and thats really all i felt! How come i cannot trip off this? I smoked ALL I had, and didnt trip at all. Id say I got about 6 BIG hits the last time we hit it before i ran out!

It was hard to know if it was salvia or not, because Basil and salvia look the same!:
http://psychoactiveherbs.com/catalog/images/salvia_10X_extract.jpg
http://www.thespicehouse.com/file/category/family-basil.jpg
 
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I don't know man... I've done salvia 15x several times and each time I would take one big hit and hold it in for about 10 seconds (using a regular lighter and glass pipe btw) and I would trip pretty hard. It just doesn't work for some people apparently.

So i packed a bowl of it in my ghetto pipe
ghetto pipe? ROFL

And the next thing i know he starts walkin away (walked to his class).
Doing salvia before class, eh? NOT a very smart idea...
 
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lol yeah my ghetto pipe made out of pvc pipe. Her name is shasta, just like the generic soda
And yeah, we toked it at lunch cause we wanted to make sure if it was bullshit or not, if it was, i was gonna hand it back to him. But everyone else seems to be trippin hard except me! God i cant get over how funny it was watching my first friend before class trip. He was saying 'Dude, what is going on man? Holy crap bro...' to our group of friends and we were all crackin up. It didnt hit him too hard either until like the 3rd hit, then he was going CRAZY! He could walk fine though. I noticed that when we both took our 3rd hit and he started saying that, i had a hard time understanding what he was saying at first, and every sound especially his voice, had a way lower pitch. He got overwhelmed by it, and went to class early so he wouldnt have to deal with the people walkin around at lunch [too much to process when you are trippin i guess]. Once he hit the corner, we all started bustin up laughin and they turned to me and asked me how i was, i said a barely felt anything, and by then, the pitch of sound was normal and what not. So overall, im not sure if it was just me thinkin the sound changed or if i really hallucinated it, it only lasted like 20 seconds [the pitch change].

oh and on the side note, after i smoked it at lunch, for about an hour after, my chest [mainly near my heart] had this euphoric feeling, but kind of painful at the same time. It was like it was pumpin blood BIGTIME
 
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I know you're curious and dissapointed but don't worry man, most people don't think salvia is that great. Its probably the weirdest drug I have ever tried but not really fun in my opinion.
 
Salvia is very odd stuff indeed. It's also far from unusual to feel nothing at all from smoking it at first. First time I tried it me and a friend smoked a gram of 20X beween us and got nothing but a mild headache. Fast forward a couple of years and I tried again for curiosity's sake (admittedly 40X this time) and was somewhat taken aback... to say the very least 8o8o8o

There seems to be a huge range in sensitivity to Salvia from what I've seen - some folks are talking with pixies on 5X and some will feel nothing smoking 60X. Odd stuff indeed... not to all tastes either...

One thing I have noticed is that if you are on opiates of any description it seems to almost completely block any effect from Salvia. Not relevant maybe, but has always intrigued me nonetheless...
 
My first time doing salvia was incredibly intense. actually every experience ive had on salvia was very intense (ranging from 20x to 40x). I know people that felt nothing their first time, no subsequent trials so idk how they would react now.

I personally really enjoyed salvia, it's illegal by me now and it wasnt THAT good for me to seek it out now but if it came by for some strange reason i would indulge :)
 
im usually into weird feeling drugs, like nutmeg.
It turns out i had a little itty bitty pinch of salvia left, like it seriously was the smallest pinch of salvia anyones tried to smoke. So i went in my garage, annihilated the bit of salvia into ash, and held it in my lungs for 40 seconds. I then looked around and everything seemed to be more 3d than usual. I have this when i smoke weed, its like my eyes are seperated further apart so i can see around things. I had that for maybe 10 minutes, then thats it.
 
You know what pissed me off? I went to the flea market last weekend to grab some salvia. They had purple sticky brand, and this brand markets their strengths in terms of atomiX instead of regular X. So, they had 20 atomiX, 40, and 60. I bought the 60 thinking it was 60x. Then I found that I had to smoke more of this than of some 20x I had to get the same effects. I couldn't figure out why... I thought it was freakin 60x! Later, I found out it's really 15x. It has 60mg salvinorin-A per gram. Fucking scam!
 
You know what pissed me off? I went to the flea market last weekend to grab some salvia. They had purple sticky brand, and this brand markets their strengths in terms of atomiX instead of regular X. So, they had 20 atomiX, 40, and 60. I bought the 60 thinking it was 60x. Then I found that I had to smoke more of this than of some 20x I had to get the same effects. I couldn't figure out why... I thought it was freakin 60x! Later, I found out it's really 15x. It has 60mg salvinorin-A per gram. Fucking scam!

You must be insane for wanting a 60x anyway. Holy shit I cannot imagine how f'n scary that trip would be. But to each his own.
 
I used to always buy purple sticky and I never saw that AtomiX bullcrap. what a ripoff
 
You're doing it wrong. Salvia needs a lot of heat to activate (from what I've gathered), use a torch lighter and get a big hit, hold it in for as long as possible and by the time you exhale you should be in fantasy land.
 
A regular butane lighter will usually do the job with "enhanced leaf" or extracts... Only helps to have a torch lighter when you have a lot of raw leaf you have to burn quickly, IME. Some people make the same claim about smoking DMT, but I've found a regular butane lighter is enough to manage anything (that I'm into anyway :P). It definitely seems like the OP isn't applying enough flame, though. It's not like smoking weed.
 
Ok, I'm going to chime in here. I'm not going to read all other experiences but I've read one or two similar to mine. I did Delsym two 5 oz. bottles on Friday night/morning. GREAT TRIP! Best trip and smoothest of my life.

I've had salvia that I bought in MASS quantities of all different extracts and bud from last year when it got widespread attention and I found it was legal still in my state.

Last night I did it again for the first time in about 6weeks. I was totally relaxed and felt "this is going to be a great relaxing trip". Well, it didn't turn out that way as Sally D like to play mind games with you. I didn't do it to get high... i did it to learn about what I think is some kind of paused time experience I think I've had in different times on drugs. I've been using NOT hardcore drugs since 1998 or a few times since then but I was heavily into them in 97.

It felt last night my body was ripping from the right side of my body in a circle and EVERYTHING even the pink floyd wish cd playing you were here cd was part of the experience. I was going in this circle and I was convinced that if the "circle was completed" the entire universe would disappear. IT FREAKED ME OUT!

I came off it jumping up just before the circle completed and I started screaming and cussing all ticked off! I felt as if i'd been lied to all my life and people KNEW all about some great grand secret stuff.

I think that will be my last salvia trip. I can't deal with that crap any more. It's too much to go through and I almost NEVER have a good trip. I'd rather just smoke some weed. Too bad I don't know anyone that has it :(


UPDATE: BTW, it was 40x incense extract.
 
Mang, I love bad trips. I don't know what it is, but I'm always curious to see how bad it can go...

I think I'll be (infrequently) revisiting Salvia as long as I can take it, heh.
 
torch lighters and salvia are a myth... I hit the highest heights every time with a Bic and a small bowl.

everything depends on the person doing it (assuming they are holding the smoke in for as long as possible and holding the flame over the extract while inhaling).
 
i know the lady salvia on a personal basis.

and she says chew the quid method.

and give it a try it with the opiate.
 
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Mang, I love bad trips. I don't know what it is, but I'm always curious to see how bad it can go...

I think I'll be (infrequently) revisiting Salvia as long as I can take it, heh.

I know what you mean mate. "Bad trips" or unsettling experiences on psychedelics can be just as enlightening as enjoyable experiences. In that way, the knowledge that stays with you, in retrospect becomes the enjoyment.

I personally love Salvia Divinorum, and hold it high in esteem. So many people slag Salvia down, just because they had an unsettling experience, yet they are not willing to acknowledge the potential it has for them. Sometimes things like this have to be worked at. Just like music that you listen to for an immersive experience, such as Tool, Aphex Twin, Nine Inch Nails etc. is far more challenging to work through than your daily wallpaper music. So difficult psychedelic experiences must not be left with your back turned. Rather, the psychedelic space should be revisited further.

My first experience with tryptamine entheogens - mushrooms - led me into the hospital by ambulance for an outrageously traumatic mindfuck. But I have always been defiant and never given up, on any psychedelic even after tough experiences. It's totally important.

There is always a reason for a bad experience, and the recognition of such is also important. Where Salvia Divinorum is concerened in particular, the lack of a serotenergic/dopaminergic euphorient quotient to cozy up the bizarre perceptions and feelings associated with the experience can throw some folk a real curveball. But therein lies a teaching.

Finally, as to the issue of dosing: it is commonly believed now (by inexperienced users) that you need the strongest extract available to breakthrough. Like 60x. This is simply not the case. The bioavailability, pharmacokinetics, and dynamics of Salvinorin A are quite sketchy. Furthermore, there are the issues of setting (which seem to be important in regard to distractions), and technique. I have had full blown breakthroughs on 5x extract, and yet almost no effect from 20x. I have most experience with 10x, and there is certainly no need [for me] to go any higher in order to have a fully immersive out of body experience. Keep practicing, and you will get more skilled at finding and navigating the wonderful realm of lady Salvia.
 
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