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The Big & Dandy Psychedelic Books Thread

Everyone has different opinions, different taste, different highs. You can't say that one substance is a totally sploof. For some people these substances do wonders! MDMA for me got me out of a depression I was in for 2 years by letting me analyze my life and where I was at the moment. I did try LSD and other psychedelics prior to this event but they were to distracting for me to really "THINK." MDMA is not my favorite, i dont even consider it my top 5. It has helped me and has helped others.
 
I have mixed feelings about MDMA. It helped me learn empathy, emotions, love etc etc but I guess I abused it and was punished. I partially blame MDMA for my depression (chemical imbalance part of it anyway). Psychedelics have all the potential of MDMA with much less of the negatives (5-HT depletion, neurotoxicity, comedown) I also find MDMA to be quite shallow. The empathy and love it produces usually only lasts the duration of the experience and while you may still feel those things they are no where near as strong.
 
My experiences with MDMA have usually been pretty 'shallow,' except I dropped a pill a couple of days ago towards the end of a mushroom/LSD trip and found the sense of euphoria and clarity so blissful for ending the trip and found it so useful for consolidating and meditating on some of the experiences from the night before.

MDMA can be wonderful, but I'd agree that when compared to Lucy it can seem like a butter menthol.
 
MDMA has helped me more than any other psychedelic and it is my favorite. I don't do it often. I trip weekly on other psychedelics because I like tripping on late weekend nights but I save MDMA for the special occasions or when I want to go deep. MDMA is deeper than LSD to me.
 
^ To me, too. Sometimes it annoys me how much people trash MDMA here in PD. Yes, it has many negative side effects when abused, and for some even when not abused, but for many people who use it responsibly it can be a very useful therapeutic tool, with few drawbacks. I have rolled a good 40 or so times since first trying it about 3 years ago, and I still do not have bad comedowns at all, and it is almost always a very meaningful experience to me. While it doesn't have the depth that mushrooms or dmt do for me, I'd say there is a lot more to my experiences with MDMA and I have learned more from them than I have with chems like LSD or 2c-e. Different strokes for different folks
 
From what I remember his next book was supposed to be about isoquinolines. It didn't sound like much fun.
 
^ That one's out been out already for some years (The Simple Plant Isoquinolines). It's the other one, which will cover compounds not featured in Tihkal/Pihkal that we're all looking forward to. I wonder if it will have the same half fictionalised auobiog / half learned tome format which made the other two so much fun to read and return to. Hope so.
Pipp
 
Yeah sorry, my bad. I must have been on some isoquinolines. Told you they're not fun :)

About this new one, you mean it'll include new PEA's and tryptamines, or new things too?
 
^the only pre-release entries I'm aware of are for 5-meo-dalt and 2c-b-fly, but we dont really know if it will be a continuation of Pihkal and Tihkal or something more broad.
 
Jamshyd said:
Shulgin seems not to care about some of his most spectacular children, such as DPT and DiPT. I think DPT is has even more therapeutic potential than MDMA for both terminally ill or suicidal (in my case) people.

He also does not like Ketamine and thinks its use makes no sense, which to me is blasphemy at its finest!

*shrug* I've used MDMA exactly as Ann Shulgin prescribes (no more than twice a year, with 120mg-ish dose of powder, in a safe setting on my own) and found it profoundly blissful while it lasted but caused me to dispise being born for the whole week after.
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Everyone has their preferences.
Shulgin likes mdma, you like Dpt?

Drugs drugs drugs, everyone is going to have an opinion in regards to crazy mind altering hallucinogens, I think that goes without saying right?

Just Shulgins personal experience right? I mean he can't write about anyone elses.
 
syd_barret said:
everyone has their preferences.
Shulgin likes mdma, you like dpt?

Drugs drugs drugs, everyone is going to have an opinion in regards to crazy mind altering hallucinogens, i think that goes without saying right?

Just shulgins personal experience right? I mean he can't write about anyone elses.
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qft! %)
 
wow, so 5-meo-dalt and 2-cb-fly were from the prerelease?

The Chinese picked up on those fast and flooded the Guinea pigs of the world fast huh?!
 
squerll said:
^I think Shulgin give special attention to his own creations and kids. Who wouldn’t

I’m not impressed with 2Cs or MDMA or any of that stuff

but 2C-E is a gem..thanks for that one Shuligin
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I partly get his reason for 2c-b being one of his favorites, its not as great as pihkal made it out to be but it is a very novel compound.....

I do enjoy MDMA....

Shulgin seems to enjoy the lighter side of psychs, the ones that are more lovey dovey....

He was only the stepfather of MDMA, he was the father of the 2c's.... chemicals i have found a lot of enjoyment in....
 
I find 2c-b to be great as well. 2c-e always make me SICK SICK...

On Topic:
It would be great if some new chemicals as unique as the 2c-x series came out in this book.

Anyone who knows their chemistry wanna chime in on the likely hood of this?

Or are most things going to analogs of things we've already seen,
like 5-meo-dalt, and 2c-b-fly?
 
Xorkoth said:
^^ Yeah, I just think there are other compounds which are better at dealing with repressed material that do not seem to have such a potential negative impact. 2C-T-2 comes to mind... personally that has been by far the best therapeutic agent for me. It was quite deeply psychedelic in that it split my personality/ego into its component parts and allowed the observer to remain, impartial, but still viewing the scenario with compassion and emotion. I then watched my different ego forms interact and I could identify precisely where the negative interactions were occuring and how my mind would attack itself and enter worthless anxiety loops. And then I was in a position to understand and do something about it. And unlike MDMA it left me feeling fantastic afterwards, much better than before or during. I guess what I'm saying is that I understand MDMA can be useful for certain applications, I'm just not convinced at all that it's safe for even a single use, and there just seem to be better options that perhaps are a little more difficult to get into but which probably have a higher payoff in the end without the chance of feeling suicically depressed afterwards.

Anyway, this thread is getting dragged somewhere else I suppose.
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I was just rereading the thread and noticed ^^, I had the same kind of ego separation experience once on shrooms =)

lol and I love how this thread has been bouncing around
 
Shulgin seems not to care about some of his most spectacular children, such as DPT and DiPT. I think DPT is has even more therapeutic potential than MDMA for both terminally ill or suicidal (in my case) people.

He also does not like Ketamine and thinks its use makes no sense, which to me is blasphemy at its finest!
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mmmm...Shulgin reacts to his inventions idiosyncratically, to be sure. It's a shame that he found 5-meo-dipt erotogenic...perhaps we could have avoided that debacle. ;)
He also fell into a +4 on 2ct-4 of all things.

This said, my preferences are closer to his than yours. ;)

ebola
 
Xorkoth said:
After the first few times, MDMA just started feeling deeply wrong to me. The high got really fake (just a bunch of ego boosting making me feel like I was doing something useful) and for weeks after I would feel headfucked, the last time I even felt suicidal. It threw off my emotions for a long time and it probably took me a half a year to rebound entirely. I also never used it frequently at all, in fact only about 15 times in my life over 6 years, most of it at the beginning of those years. So I can't help but feel negatively about MDMA as a whole. Granted, I have never had problems opening up to people and feeling love to others, so perhaps I did not need it. My first MDMA experience was a fantastic night of fun which felt quite profound, but I think my life would be exactly the same without it.

But yeah, I'm also extremely curious about the new book and have been waiting for it.
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Same exact thing happened with me. I'll add that the first few times I took it were close together, and at the same place with the same few people. But you described it perfectly as a 'fake' feeling. I was taking around the same amount each time (1-3 pills), but i began to look around at everyone and myself and realized I wasn't learning anything from this drug. And the depression afterwards and feelings of detachment really sucked.

So I stopped taking it for a long time but even since when I've taken it (2 times) it's been the same fake feeling. But I have never taken it alone.
 
^ can't go beatin a dead horse =p First time was pretty magical though right?

Shrooms... mescaline.. pretty much all 'good' drugs for me have this same effect.. I wouldn't say they start to feel 'fake' exactly, but 'been there done that why am I wasting my time' kicks in pretty fast... which is far more than you can say for shit like smack n powder.. Once in a long while, under the right circumstances, it's a beautiful unique thing.... who's uniqueness can quickly fade, especially if you're sitting in the same room with the same people repeating the same shit.. you run out of problems to sort through and it become hedonistic lol
 
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