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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy PCP Thread

Ashtonmuffin said:
I want to try so bad, but I'm afraid I'll like.. injure myself or someone else =/ Is there a reason that happens? Like anxiety while on the drug? Or does it just depend..? I don't want to have a freak out!


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From wiki:
The most troubling clinical effects are produced by the action of phencyclidine on the presynaptic dopamine receptor (DA-2). This accounts for most of the psychotic features.
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also, it is neurotoxic, so it would be a good idea to keep doses low and lifetime use to a minimum.
 
Sturnam said:
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also, it is neurotoxic, so it would be a good idea to keep doses low and lifetime use to a minimum.
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Suppose I should have actually read about PCP before asking.

How does the neurotoxicity compare to say MDMA or Methamphetamine?
 
well, from consulting my toxicology book, i'd say that it seems like it isn't nearly as bad as methamphetamine, or even MDMA. all it says it that it caused in vivo apoptosis (cell death) of the frontal cortex in mice. really, you'd have to look up the general toxicity of NMDA antagonists.

the one thing i do know is that it is more neurotoxic than ketamine, since ketamine is a mixed agonist/antagonist and PCP is pure antagonist. some ketamine plus PCP might mitigate the neurotoxic effects.
 
Sturnam said:
well, from consulting my toxicology book, i'd say that it seems like it isn't nearly as bad as methamphetamine, or even MDMA. all it says it that it caused in vivo apoptosis (cell death) of the frontal cortex in mice. really, you'd have to look up the general toxicity of NMDA antagonists.

the one thing i do know is that it is more neurotoxic than ketamine, since ketamine is a mixed agonist/antagonist and PCP is pure antagonist. some ketamine plus PCP might mitigate the neurotoxic effects.
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Thanks sturnam!
 
if ketamine is like a "virtual reality" pcp is a super chaotic reality scrambler IME however it can be quite amazing, it's not always so confusing but I'd say more often then not, however while i'd say K is more fun, pcp is way more euphoric

they mosdef go great together tho
 
PCP is an extremely potent psychedelic , here in new jersey it is readily available buy the vial , which is a single dose . I find one dose just gives you threshold effects . I usually smoke 3 for the full blown trip . You have to be careful though one time a buddy and me smoked 10 vials between us and I didnt come down for 7 days . The first 2 days were extremely visual and scary almost . After the first 2 days it felt like i was acid for 5 days straight . Not an ideal situation when you have to goto work . Be careful and have fun .
 
I too had heard that PCP is neurotoxic, but it seems like any psychoactive drug is under the right conditions. What I wonder is, has anyone noticed any long term problems after discontinuing PCP use? Is it any worse than the afereffects from ketamine?

I was also wondering if anyone has used low doses of PCP for depression, as a social lubricant, etc., the way low doses of ketamine are popularly used?

Finally, has anyone seen a study of the structure-activity relationship for dissociatives they can point me to?
 
pcp is a GREAT social lubricant on low or post doses, probably one of the best IMHO. Interestingly pcp is supposed to be more neurotoxic especially street wet cause of what it's cut with but IME from what I've seen heavy ketamine users are much worse off than "wet patients" in terms of how shot they act.
 
gash PCP is scary shitttt
i got dosed with it one time and it freaked me out indefinitely!

kept me off weed for a while too!

It made me feel as if i didn't exist.
It was like in those movies when you wish something and then some dude takes you to show you what it would be like if that wish came true and you can see yourself and everyone else but they cant see or hear you.

** for the record it was actually PCP laced weed. A friend of mine dipped it when he got it and then gave it to us so this isnt just assumption after having crazy ghetto weed **

strong smell of chemicals and shit
you'd know if you got it
but its not exactly common unless you actually buy it. PCP laced things are hard to come across
 
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IGNVS said:
on a scale of one to trippy what would you rate pcp all you pcp users out there?
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dont try it.

thats all i recommend.

you will feel beyond fucked up. i have done acid twice (two tabs the first time and three the second) and over 50 shroom trips.

they dont even touch pcp. youre lucky if you dont get caught under the influence of pcp by a stranger or cop.

if you want to know how much it makes you hallucinate lets just say it makes you hallucinate way more than acid.

KinkyKetter said:
What the hell is it with PCP and people getting violent?
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you feel really strong and feel like you can get away with anything.

its actually over rated in that aspect but say if like a cop comes up to you and starts grabbing you when you are on it. you will definitely start to get violent. it depends on the surroundings. some surrounding while under the influence may bring you back to a terrible memory and you might want to just punch it in.

i remember when i was on it all i did was just sit on my friends couch at a party thinking how fucked i was. i went outside and it seemed like i made it to the end of his yard in 2 seconds. and i yelled at my ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend all the things i ever wanted to. they knew i was fucked up and just let it be.
 
Yeah, down here in Houston it is a problem. I used to buy regs from this guy and one time something was off after my first hit. I was slightly drunk so I figured "fuck it" and smoked a little more. The first thing I remember is turning my head to talk and the world followed me about 5 seconds later. All feeling in my body subsided, similar to high DXM dose but there was no "spinning". The world takes on a different hue, like a purple/blue.The only thing I could do was lay down in the bed to look at the VERY boring CEV's.Half-assed patterns that were gone before I could watch them. I would rather take Bromo Dragon Fly than this shit. TERRIBLE.
 
I belive I smoked a joint laced with PCP once. I always wanted to try it since I was a youngster, but probabaly never will get the chance unless it is legall in some country I can travel to.:(
 
what if you cant tell what it does because you are absolutely insane and go to bars wacked out. hahaha
 
I used to smoke PCP all the time a few years ago and it was alot of fun for awhile . Its very intense at times when you take heavy doses. Ive smoked it for days straight at a time and became a bit delusional after awhile. The last time I used PCP i smoked about 10 vials and got stuck in the trip for a whole week. It felt great honestly but towards the last few days it kinda freaked me out because I thought I was going to be stuck like that forever. Be very careful with this stuff its extremely powerful. Its pretty easy to get if you live in Jersey. Camden is loaded with the stuff and its usually of outstanding quality :D
 
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Have to say I'm very intrigued by all the controversy around PCP, as has been said before it is shrouded in mystery because of the warped target audience, the unquestionably unilateral and downright ignorant reactions of authorities and the prevalence of adulterants.
I feel like we all owe truth or something, not to advise people to start trying this stuff but I'd like it if someone were to clear up the reasons for the bad rap: how harmful is pure PCP and are freakouts minimal in experienced educated users instead of like ghetto bums? It's all so entangled, no wonder it scares people off. Scary rumors thats one thing but it staying uncertain doesn't help either.
Hmmm don't know what exactly would help but a crude indication of the neurotoxicity being less than with MDMA (!) I find interesting. So how long are side-effects on cognition etc. apparent? How reversible does it seem to be with occasional use?
 
theotherside26 said:
I would rather take Bromo Dragon Fly than this shit. TERRIBLE.
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an interesting comparison, like BR-DFLY with acid, a whole slew of unexpected undesirable weed experiences are assumed to be PCP. how many people have told you they smoked PCP? i know about 20 different people have told me they smoked weed "laced with something" which is assumed to be PCP, I'm sure they were all just high. like heroin or coke laced MDMA rolls, PCP laced weed does not make much economic sense. from what i hear wet cigarettes cost something like ten dollars each, much to valuable to use as a cut. are people forgetting weed is VERY psychoactive in its own right?

its like that study that demonstrated a huge number of girls who thought they were slipped a roofie, were just really drunk.

that said im sure everyone here who intentionally smoked PCP got what they were sold, and probs some of you got laced weed, but im sure the vast majority just smoked good weed.
 
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