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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy PCP Thread

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So would 3-Meo-PCP be safe with an SSRI and a benzo?? (Klonopin and Prozac)

Also, I know Ketamine is a different drug but I've always wanted to try it.

I've HEARD from moderators like Sekio that MOST LIKELY...MODERATE dosages of Ketamine would be safe with Prozac (and of course Klonopin as they are often prescribed together...Ketamine + a benzo being a therapeutic combo I have heard).
 
Indeed ketamine is different, its actions on transporters is relatively limited and so should its interactions with other drugs be...

Due to the reasons given above I would say that no, you would be running additional risks and it is not really safe. I'm amazed SSRI's are not in the MXE combinations subthread OP list. It definitely deserves reading up on. I am saying this because dangers seen with MXE may also be there for 3-MeO-PCP and PCP or vice versa.

It may be so that risks with something like MXE or 3-MeO-PCP are not quite as serious as with something like tramadol. But still, be careful...
 
So no one has ever soaked mint or pot in the wet stuff? I have heard it is sometimes sold that way so I was hoping someone here would have tried it.
 
Solipsis said:
Indeed ketamine is different, its actions on transporters is relatively limited and so should its interactions with other drugs be...

Due to the reasons given above I would say that no, you would be running additional risks and it is not really safe. I'm amazed SSRI's are not in the MXE combinations subthread OP list. It definitely deserves reading up on. I am saying this because dangers seen with MXE may also be there for 3-MeO-PCP and PCP or vice versa.

It may be so that risks with something like MXE or 3-MeO-PCP are not quite as serious as with something like tramadol. But still, be careful...
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Ok, so you are saying you think Ketamine is safe to mix with an SSRI and a benzo most likely?
 
It's not that black and white, there is still a small potential for interaction between K and SSRI's but compared to a number of other dissociatives you might call it sort of safe. If you must try it, keep dosage reasonable and don't make the sessions long. And stop immediately if you don't feel right.

If you want to discuss it more or share experiences check other threads using the search engine, I'm sure they are out there.

Back to PCP :)
 
I've sometimes taken a benzo (temazepam) on the comedown from 3-MeO-PCP or MXE, it helps with the residual stimulation.

I had a very bad experience once taking 6-APDB, which is a serotonin releaser, the day after a 3-MeO-PCP trip. I felt ill the whole time and kept getting hot flashes. So based on that I'd think SSRI's would be a bad idea too.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
So why do people think that PCP is such a bad drug?

It is rather glorious when used properly.

Everyone wants to bug out about all these RC's and vet drugs related to it, but are so pessimistic about the grandfather dipper? This confuses me...
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People think it's a bad drug because of people hurting themselves, or hurting others on it.

And from propaganda like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbeXogXtawI

In that video they claim that PCP causes Schizophrenia but that's not true since if you're not Schizophrenic to begin with, you're not going to become Schizophrenic if you use drugs. They should have said something like, "If a person is Schizophrenic and uses PCP, the drug can cause them to have a psychotic break."

I never used it back when I used stuff but I know a lot of people who did smoke PCP. Only a few smoked it with any regularity and the rest would just smoke it when it was offered, or someone had some. Nobody hurt themselves or other people, and at moderate to high doses they said it was literally impossible to move and they disassociated. Lower doses made them feel relaxed and as though gravity was off.
 
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A lot of fairly uneducated ghetto dudes cook this shit, and who knows how much unrendered PCC or cyanogenic compounds your smoking. It's easy as to get by the vial in any major city in Texas, but the people I know who smoked it grewing up were perma fried that was the only reason I never tried it.
 
Shermin' Vermin said:
sadly to say virtually everybody i know who has taken pcp their first time (including me) have had no prior knowledge to the drug they were taking. usually it was laced in weed or some other drug. pcp comes in a water soluble hcl salt or freebase oil and overdose level is as low as 50mg oral.
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That is just absolutely messed up that people do that shit as a prank. Sick motherfuckers
 
enterthevortex said:
A lot of fairly uneducated ghetto dudes cook this shit, and who knows how much unrendered PCC or cyanogenic compounds your smoking. It's easy as to get by the vial in any major city in Texas, but the people I know who smoked it grewing up were perma fried that was the only reason I never tried it.
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That's why I always found our scene in eastern canada safer, cut to the max with lactose, but it was a powder and to overdose you'd need to snort 3g+, the whole formula was made up in the 70's. We always had it in powder, and the pure powder mixed with lactose, the purer it is (1/20 is pretty white and means will make 20grams of powder pcp when cut with lactose or quinine, those are the most common cutting agents, oh powder sugar too for people who did it on the go after buying the 1/20 putty. But when you got the 1/50 powder it was yellow and smelled like hospital/meds, its such a weird peculiar smell, but we knew at least the shit was pure, there was a Walter White or multiple of them here in QC at one point in the 90's and 2000's. Funny how last time I saw any, its when the SQ (Provincial Police) did a huge Hell's Angels sweep, the biggest yet, and this time it wasn't because they were threatening kids selling weed that wasn't theirs like in 2000-2001.
 
Well PCP is a different drug than ketamine or MXE... but also, maybe different life circumstances? Different levels of being traumatized in the general population? People who take a lot of ketamine just lay down and enter a dissociative hole, plus ketamine is sedating.
 
The only one of my friends who ever did PCP was an ex-roommate of mine who ended up naked and fighting the police in someone's yard...
 
^^^The people you see in youtube videos acting psycho are the same people who are crazy as hell everyday while sober. They simply have an undiagnosed/untreated mental illness of some kind. They couldn't hold down a job if they tried. Crazy people should never take any mind altering chemical unless supervised by a medical professional. Problem is if your truly crazy.....I don't think you would know you were crazy. Most likely they think everyone else is crazy. lol.
 
I smoked PCP a few times a long time ago. I was living in a ghetto area of a suburb just outside of Los Angeles. I always had pleasurable experiences. The most notable one was as follows:A couple of friends of mine and I were sitting around bored one hot summer afternoon, and one guy proposed going down the street and buying a sherm from the guys on the corner. I'd never done it before. We three shared the sherm. I was sitting in a chair across from the two guys, who were talking and suddenly they turned into Heckle and Jeckle, the cartoon crows, complete with vests and cigars. It was a vivid hallucination. I thought this was funny. After a few minutes of this, Heckle and Jeckle turned into skeletons. It wasn't scary at all; I still found it funny and absorbing. After a while, the hallucination dissipated and the guys turned into themselves again. I got up and looked outside, and everything looked as though it was made of plastic, even the trees and plants, kind of Disneyland-like, with a vinyl sheen. I told the guys and they noticed the same thing. I think the whole thing lasted a couple of hours. I've taken various psychedelics before and after this, but I never experienced such vivid hallucinations as on PCP. I liked the drug alot and it seemed to like me, but I just did it a couple of times after that right around that same time and never had a desire to do it again.
 
I've discussed it before with my old friend paranoid_android, see people who smoke random quantities of PCP will undoubtely freak out. In other parts of the world like here, it comes as powder which is cut so much (with safe inactives) that it's hard to overdose (would need to snort a 1/8 of the thing) but even snorting half a gram of the powder that's not as cut as usual will surprise some...a lot like heroin, but there's a lot more dosage control with such methods of delivery. I've seen people walk like zombies and not say a word or talllllllkkkkk realllllllll sloooowwww because of eaten PCP, when people would get some of the "pure", excitement was abound and we'd eat half a matchead and it was a couple days of dissociative craziness for sure. Although to me there was nothing too crazy happening (i'm scripted benzos everyday).
 
iamthesuck said:
I don't understand why people in urban areas freak the fuck out SO UNBELIEVABLY HARD on PCP but K-heads and people on things like MXE aren't gouging their eyes out and being strapped down in hospital beds....
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I think the "typical PCP user" is quite different from those who are into K, MXE or other arylcyclohexylamines. PCP is heavily stigmatized and just isn't used in the same social circles as K or MXE. I know plenty of people who love K and MXE, but wouldn't touch PCP with a ten foot pole. There are some obvious differences between the drugs, though, even if they are all dissociatives. I've never actually tried PCP, but 3-MeO-PCP is supposed to be relatively similar, and that did seem much more capable of causing a negative experience than any other dissociatives.

I also can't imagine the people living in the areas where PCP is prevalent are being too mindful of harm reduction either. I don't know if this goes for K since it's also primarily a street drug, but I'd hope that a majority of those using newer arylcyclohexylamines ordered from the internet are doing allergy tests, using a mg scale, titrating doses, etc.

All the same, I'm sure there are still people freaking out on all these drugs, but it's probably easier for the media to sensationalize PCP mishaps since they've been doing it for such a long time.
 
THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Uh, PCP was prevalent all over eastern canada from Ontario to Newfoundland since the 70's from until the late 2000's, we're all schizo ghetto boys? 8)
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Well in the US, PCP is known as a ghetto drug like crack because that's where it's primarily used and sold. I'm not sure why because you don't find much acid, ketamine, or any other hallucinogens in the hood. I think that's why those people freak out on it, because they are not used to drugs like that, they are more used to coke, heroin, weed etc.

What I'm wondering is where all these gangs find the precursors necessary to synth PCP. Since most of it is made in California I'd assume they get that shit like piperidine from Mexico. PCP even today is still shrouded in mystery. I wish more info was available about it.
 
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