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Nootropics The Big & Dandy Nootropics Thread (Stack 2)

I'm taking noopept and choline daily and will be taking mdma in a few weeks will update here if it has any effect on the potency of the buzz. Might as well try myself as can't find a lot on this combo
 
Awesome help Xorkoth & Solipsis really appreciate it, great info on noopept Solipsis I think I'll look into this one further so long as I don't become a sleeper agent or anything, I'll get back to you :P
 
Thanatos said:
Have any nootropics been found to be efficacious in helping relieve major depressive disorder?
A friend of mine offered me a large amount of choline and piracetam but I gave yet to take him up on the offer as I'm relatively uninformed on the subject.
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Check up on coluracetam, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coluracetam

Also wtf, this CX compound can reverse respiratory depression from opioids..
 
Hey guys, I haven't read through the whole thread, so apologies if this has already been asked/mentioned. So basically my housemate went to the doctors today to talk about long-term piracetam usage. I recommended him to buy it since I found it helpful and he did; quite a lot of it infact. So basically, the GP told him taking piracetam for longer than 3 months has some very serious side-effects. In fact, she said it could result in organ bleeding or strokes and apparently looked very concerned when he said his friend (I.E. Me) has been taking nootropics for nearly a year. I always regard myself as knowledgable about drugs, and will always research a substance before taking it, but this information quite simply isn't out there. Google, google scholar, specific searches with the exact side-effects mentioned and still nothing. How can something so dangerously severe, not be available somewhere online?

Cheers
 
I have taken piracetam for a year or so at one time... I stopped doing that because I felt it stopped being productive. I usually go on runs with it, taking it daily for a couple of months and then off for a similar amount of time. I didn't feel like it was hurting me, but more like my mind stopped getting clear from it, it felt like it was either ineffective or slightly counterproductive.

I have never heard of such serious side effects. I find a lot of the time that doctors are nervous about people medicating themselves, but I don't want to disregard this. Does anyone have any information supporting this claim?
 
Next time, ask him about his sources and while I do not recommend you to be offensive about it, make a point about it related to proper scientific method.

As with many many compounds, once every so often there will be a person to react severely to it. But when this gets ever so rare, it becomes ever so hard to make it statistically meaningful, because sometimes a person is just shit out of luck and who is to say what really caused it?
The consensus with most racetams is that they are very well tolerated in people up to the point of being called virtually non-toxic. If you are still concerned I suggest that you don't use them just for shits and giggles but for reasons of curiosity or sheer need that are not easily suppressed and have leverage to compensate for any more or less negligible risk.
 
Solipsis said:
Next time, ask him about his sources and while I do not recommend you to be offensive about it, make a point about it related to proper scientific method.

As with many many compounds, once every so often there will be a person to react severely to it. But when this gets ever so rare, it becomes ever so hard to make it statistically meaningful, because sometimes a person is just shit out of luck and who is to say what really caused it?
The consensus with most racetams is that they are very well tolerated in people up to the point of being called virtually non-toxic. If you are still concerned I suggest that you don't use them just for shits and giggles but for reasons of curiosity or sheer need that are not easily suppressed and have leverage to compensate for any more or less negligible risk.
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Trust me, I am extremely skeptical of this information, but I'm not a GP and feel I need to take my own advice I give others (Listen to your doctor, they know more than we do). I've read all the same stuff as yourself about relatively non-toxic etc. I get that it could be based upon one extremely random event, but I thought GP's provided better information than that. More honest and realistic information that will actually help you. Nevertheless, my housemate is certainly discontinuing his piracetam which I suggested he should take because he's a super serious economics MSc. I feel pretty bad for potentially suggesting something so dangerous.

When I expressed my skepticism he suggested that perhaps the doctors are meant to say that to try and prevent people from trying to self-medicate using piracetam. It all looks a little pseudo/fear-mongering if you ask me, but I'm not a doctor. Apparently the science is down to Piracetam's effect on blood flow, increasing viscosity which can lead to strokes or something (he didn't give much good info). And, in all honesty, the majority of studies I've found don't seem to administer the drug for longer than 52 days. Longest I've found is only 6 months. If you could find any that are even longer and post it that would help me make my own decision. The benefits I've personally seen with piracetam/noopept are pretty staggering, to the point where I don't want to discontinue them. I find that it's not the acute effects, but rather looking back at your improvement and what you've achieved, that's just multiplied compared to before taking them.

I'm really inclined to believe that the doctor was chatting shit, but it's pissing me off big time.
 
REEFERCETAM MADNESS!!#@(%!*#%*(!


Ladies & gentlemen, does anyone have any information on the benefits/disadvantages of taking Choline with Noopept or any kind of racetam?

If anyone has a link or could provide info for a newbie at this kind of stuff, it would be greatly appreciated. :) I've checked the Noopept subthread which had some good info and done a few searches, but I'm keen to hear opinions and experiences of Bluelighters because they seem the least crazy (or at least more knowledgeable on the subject ;)).
 
JWills20 said:
Trust me, I am extremely skeptical of this information, but I'm not a GP and feel I need to take my own advice I give others (Listen to your doctor, they know more than we do). I've read all the same stuff as yourself about relatively non-toxic etc. I get that it could be based upon one extremely random event, but I thought GP's provided better information than that. More honest and realistic information that will actually help you. Nevertheless, my housemate is certainly discontinuing his piracetam which I suggested he should take because he's a super serious economics MSc. I feel pretty bad for potentially suggesting something so dangerous.

When I expressed my skepticism he suggested that perhaps the doctors are meant to say that to try and prevent people from trying to self-medicate using piracetam. It all looks a little pseudo/fear-mongering if you ask me, but I'm not a doctor. Apparently the science is down to Piracetam's effect on blood flow, increasing viscosity which can lead to strokes or something (he didn't give much good info). And, in all honesty, the majority of studies I've found don't seem to administer the drug for longer than 52 days. Longest I've found is only 6 months. If you could find any that are even longer and post it that would help me make my own decision. The benefits I've personally seen with piracetam/noopept are pretty staggering, to the point where I don't want to discontinue them. I find that it's not the acute effects, but rather looking back at your improvement and what you've achieved, that's just multiplied compared to before taking them.

I'm really inclined to believe that the doctor was chatting shit, but it's pissing me off big time.
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That's my impression too. A few times I have told my doctors about something I am taking as a supplement, I was warned about taking ginseng once, the doctor told me it might lead to other drugs if I get used to taking foreign things. I have only had one doctor who I felt was more knowledgeable than myself about the way drugs work (of course I spent most of my life going to HMO doctors and am healthy so have never had to see a specialist). Doctors aren't infallible, unfortunately. I think many doctors are very nervous about people self-medicating, and piracetam hasn't made it into the list of "common" supplements yet, you still have to order it online, you can't go to GNC and buy piracetam powder (I don't think).

Even so, I do recommend taking breaks with it. If only because it helps you to notice the benefits more strongly again, and it's always good to give your brain a break no matter how harmless a substance is.
 
Xorkoth said:
That's my impression too. A few times I have told my doctors about something I am taking as a supplement, I was warned about taking ginseng once, the doctor told me it might lead to other drugs if I get used to taking foreign things. I have only had one doctor who I felt was more knowledgeable than myself about the way drugs work (of course I spent most of my life going to HMO doctors and am healthy so have never had to see a specialist). Doctors aren't infallible, unfortunately. I think many doctors are very nervous about people self-medicating, and piracetam hasn't made it into the list of "common" supplements yet, you still have to order it online, you can't go to GNC and buy piracetam powder (I don't think).

Even so, I do recommend taking breaks with it. If only because it helps you to notice the benefits more strongly again, and it's always good to give your brain a break no matter how harmless a substance is.
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I am going to take a break just to be on the extra cautious side. I've been heavily researching it now and actually found that it's being studied for stroke rehabilitation. Kind of ironic and counter-intuitive if it can cause strokes... The research is pretty disappointing anyway, it doesn't seem to help stroke patients rehabilitate cognitive function. Nevertheless, if it could even pass ethics to be studied for such a purpose, I have to question the information. Organ bleeding is practically unheard of according hefty google searching. The only thing I found was one ridiculous case of some guy experiencing kidney stuff which was actually thought to be a result of something else but he also happened to take piracetam. So yeah, bullshit on that one too.

Looks like me and my coursemate got fear-mongered by no other than a doctor...
 
Hey peeps

How do you feel that various racetams effect your sleep?

Do you sleep better/more fullfilling? Sleep less? Dream more or dream less?

Also, the last two days I've been taking coluracetam, and I could already feel it from just one dose. Heightened mood, more energy and motivation, and a general well being that is hard to define.

I didn't weigh how much I took because I used a very small scoop I got with my order, and I just realised it can't have been more than a couple of mg's........was it just placebo?

I'm going to try 6 mg tommorow, then later 10 mg. We will see.....
 
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I have heard great things about coluracetam, I am thinking of getting some to try myself.

I haven't noticed any racetams (out of aniracetam, piracetam, oxiracetam, and pramiracetam) affecting my sleep one way or the other, or my dreams. But I am bad at remembering my dreams anyway.
 
Do you smoke weed everyday maybe? Or do you do something else which could dampen your dream recall. Don't you find that after taking a psychedelic you have more wild dreams? I do. I dream a lot every night, sometimes too much. If I take a psychedelic now a days I dream insane disturbing dreams for days or weeks after. It's a bit annoying actually. Didn't use to be like that for me.

Anybody alse have input in regards to racetams and sleep? Good or bad?
 
Here is my current stack, amounts vary for most as it is a pain in the ass to weigh each and every dose, and I do not have any of these pre-encapsulated. With these substances it is not much of a concern due to their high safety profile, however. I take them by 'scoops' and the dose, when I test its weight usually only varies by a few mgs.

Racetams
- Aniracetam 1g
-Phenylpiracetam 100mg
-Noopept 30mg
-Coluracetam 20mg

Herbals
-Bacopa monnieri (as needed)
-Rhodiola rosea .5g
-Ashwaghanda 1g
Also previously took:
-magnolia extract (magnolol/honokiol)
-baicailin (one of main chemicals in skullcap)

Other
-Taurine
-Phenibut
-Shilajit (she legit, as I call it)
-l-theanine
-Alpha-GPC
-Sulbutiamine
-Uridine
Previously also took:
-Sarcosine (AMAZING for psychoses and drug-induced motor-gait disturbances)
-Galantamine (which is AWESOME)

Also many vitamins i.e. Mg, niacin, melatonin, etc.

My absolute, top-of-the-list, favorite is ANIRACETAM. It is calming but cognitive enhancing. Very, very good for creativity and visualization. A perfect drug. Also potentiates nearly everything. Cannabis felt extremely psychedelic, or maybe like JWH-018.

Coluracetam is okay, noopept is pretty good.

Phenylpiracetam is an amazing replacement for Adderall and helps me pull all nighters at multiple hundreds of milligrams.

I am also currently withdrawing from Zoloft (at 12.5mg right now) and this does have an impact on my experiences.

My main area of expertise is nootropics and I would love to answer any questions about anything I have tried.
Xorkoth said:
I have heard great things about coluracetam, I am thinking of getting some to try myself.

I haven't noticed any racetams (out of aniracetam, piracetam, oxiracetam, and pramiracetam) affecting my sleep one way or the other, or my dreams. But I am bad at remembering my dreams anyway.
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@Xorkoth, coluracetam is pretty nifty but it didn't make things more colorful than bacopa does for me. It mainly alters body-awareness and enhances breathing.

One thing nobody realizes about coluracetam is that it IS NOT the only HACU enhancer (aka acetylcholine reuptake enhancer), in fact at least one racetam (fasoracetam) has also been shown in at least one study to do this. And most surprising of all is that some ginsenosides (chemicals in ginseng, of course) have the same mechanism. No wonder I feel funky after drinking a butt load of green tea with high amounts of apparently great quality ginseng extract.

Oh but the craziest thing about coluracetam is that it has been implemented in ameliorating NMDA antagonist neurotoxicity, which is caused via cholinergic mechanisms. So if you wanna hole, take some coluracetam before, and you want become brain-damaged... like a filthy whore (had to rhyme)
 
Katuskoti said:
Oh but the craziest thing about coluracetam is that it has been implemented in ameliorating NMDA antagonist neurotoxicity, which is caused via cholinergic mechanisms. So if you wanna hole, take some coluracetam before, and you want become brain-damaged... like a filthy whore (had to rhyme)
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It wouldn't diminish effects like other racetams tend to?

Do you think it would reduce the MXE hangover? That's the main reason why I don't do MXE much.
 
I currently take noopept with cdp choline daily for about 2 months and I have just bought some Phenylpiracetam but I'm only taking that on days I need to but was wondering how these affect the buzz from mdma and alcohol as I have yet to combine them.
 
relbatnrut said:
It wouldn't diminish effects like other racetams tend to?

Do you think it would reduce the MXE hangover? That's the main reason why I don't do MXE much.
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AFAIK piracetam was the only one that screwed with their effects. What other ones do?

I honestly am not too sure if coluracetam would kill the effects, however. It is definitely something that needs to be looked into more.
 
Im not so sure if the racetams are that selective and if thats true than most racetams should block some of the dissociative effects.
There might be other for example stimulant effects that the racetam could not block or even increase.
 
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