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Nootropics The Big & Dandy Nootropics Thread (Stack 2)

Solipsis said:
Selank and Semax / Semaks apparently are effective when I.M.ed which obviously not all nootropic users are into, also they are hexa / septa peptides and are as such a bit harder to make (purify actually Id say) - consequently they are quite expensive. If it wasn't for that I would certainly do a short treatment of one of them. Am interested in the adaptogenic qualities!
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Fortunately they are also available as a nasal spray, think I might give this a try.
 
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If I were to get a bottle of semax powder and I wanted to turn it into a nasal spray administration, how would I go about doing that correctly? I would get a bottle of bacteriostatic water too. I think I probably need a nasal spray bottle, and I'm thinking that would dispense a specific amount of liquid each time. So I'd make a solution with the correct dose in one spray. But I don't know if I'm right or where I'd get such a bottle.

I could get a bottle that is set up to be nasal spray but it's many, many times more expensive per dose.
 
Can't speak to the efficacy since I haven't tried it personally, but someone posted a guide for creating Selank nasal spray, believe the concept should be the same for Semax. From what I've heard, deionized water would be preferable to bacteriostatic due to stability issues with the latter. I believe deionized water is what most vendors with Semax/Selank nasal spray are using.
 
Xorkoth said:
If I were to get a bottle of semax powder and I wanted to turn it into a nasal spray administration, how would I go about doing that correctly? I would get a bottle of bacteriostatic water too. I think I probably need a nasal spray bottle, and I'm thinking that would dispense a specific amount of liquid each time. So I'd make a solution with the correct dose in one spray. But I don't know if I'm right or where I'd get such a bottle.

I could get a bottle that is set up to be nasal spray but it's many, many times more expensive per dose.
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I only require 200ug to get positive effects from Semax. If you get a 30mg spray, which amounts 150 doses for me, the cost per day isn't that much more than piracetam.
 
Yeah I did get a 30mg spray, it's been pretty nice. I usually take more like 400-600ug in a day though. Still it's pretty nice. It's not quite as noticeable as I had hoped but it does definitely increase my performance in things and generally stabilizes my mood. One thing that's odd that I noticed... well, before I had gotten semax, I noticed one night on a new batch of MXE I got that I started seeing these really crazy purple visuals. Like anything light-colored in my vision will generate this electricity/smoke-looking purple ectoplasm when I move my vision. It's in the general shape of what I saw and then it starts squiggling and pulsing and dissipates. Or sometimes even when I'm not moving my vision, things will give off this "ectoplasm" (just the descriptive word that comes to mind, I realize it's just a visual artifact). I noticed this twice while I was on this new batch of MXE.

Well, I started noticing that sometimes, later in the day if I've had a larger amount of semax (more than a spray or two), I will get this visual effect, exactly the same one, which I had never had before recently. Could be coincidence. It's the first thing I've ever had, somehow despite all my tripping, that resembles something like HPPD, but it's actually quite beautiful and doesn't bother me at all. But still an odd thing to report.
 
Without digressing, I've noticed occasional purple plasma kinda visuals as you describe from MXE. Also the most prominent colour in my CEVs while holing is a dark almost murky purple, along with an odd dull gold/brown.

Just had to throw that in there.

As you were.
 
I ran out of piracetam so i bought some noopept so i'll let you guys know how that is when it comes in
 
Has anyone tried phenylpiracetam hydrazide. I found it to be helpful though subtle. Phenylpiracetam hydrazide dose range is 50mg to 150mg. If anyone gets prolintane, limit use to once or twice a week and in the morning. The dose range of prolintane is 15mg to 40mg. Prolintane last pretty long (7 to12+ hours). I've also have creatine, choline, and L-tyrosine. I find low doses of bk-2C-B to be nootropic. Anyone had a similar experience? There's new nootropics like dihexa, NSI-189, and hydrafinil(fluorenol) which looks interesting to me, but can't get at the moment.
 
Is that just the same as Phenylpiracetam? If so: It gave me a slight increase in mood and energy, but it was especially great with alcohol. Was drinking like a madman, but it erased all negative effects I usually experience when drinking heavily.
 
Finally noticing hints of a placebo after combining what was lying around:
20mg Noopept
500mg a-GPC
400mg Centrophenoxine
+Some Choline Citrate when brain starts to ache.
 
I have heard cabergoline has nootropic properties. Anybody take this stuff?
 
SkyblueMolly said:
Has anyone tried phenylpiracetam hydrazide. I found it to be helpful though subtle. Phenylpiracetam hydrazide dose range is 50mg to 150mg. If anyone gets prolintane, limit use to once or twice a week and in the morning. The dose range of prolintane is 15mg to 40mg. Prolintane last pretty long (7 to12+ hours). I've also have creatine, choline, and L-tyrosine. I find low doses of bk-2C-B to be nootropic. Anyone had a similar experience? There's new nootropics like dihexa, NSI-189, and hydrafinil(fluorenol) which looks interesting to me, but can't get at the moment.
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Most psychedelics in micro-doses seem to have nootropic properties. Other than 2C-B, there is LSD, which in my opinion is the most clear-headed and analytical nootropic of all psychedelics. Then psylocybin (shrooms) which are quite similar to LSD although a bit less clear-headed. 2C-D gives some stimulation, faster thinking, more self-confidence, although not as quite clear thinking as LSD. Probably also MDMA and cannabis (sativa) could be considered nootropics in micro-quantities. MDMA more for emotional intelligence and cannabis for out-of-the-box creative thinking. For me personally 2C-B is a bit too sensual to treat it like a nootropic. Well, the same thing could be said about MDMA :-)

I believe most of the effects of psychedelic nootropics take place during the few hours after taking the dose. I am not sure about their lasting effects on thinking capabilities, memory, mood, etc. (I should probably donate to MAPS or other organizations that can do such research). I only have a feeling that substances like LSD have some kind of neuro/brain cleansing and balancing power. It can be felt especially after a full LSD trip - there is a great feeling of being purified, both physically and psychologically and being in a better balance. Still I would love to know more about lasting effects on thinking, memory, mood, etc. It would also be great to know how micro-dosing psychedelics can affect one's health. Hopefully the effects are much more beneficial than harmful.
 
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I don't know anything about nootropics but I'm curious to know why they are in the psychedelics section of bluelight?

And do they get you high in any kind of way or are they only cognitive enhancers?

Also, when people take them do they feel that they are able to remember and retain more of what they learn, in, say any kind of class they take?
 
Yeah I don't think it makes any sense, myself, but the reason is basically the mods don't want to move the thread because it's been in PD so long. Which I think is a poor reason as well.

Nootropics don't get you high. They aren't psychedelic. Other Drugs makes perfect sense as the home for nootropics, and I don't see what's so hard about discussing stuff on the same site in a different area. It'll show up in your "threads I've posted in" just fine.
 
Mycophile said:
I don't know anything about nootropics but I'm curious to know why they are in the psychedelics section of bluelight?

And do they get you high in any kind of way or are they only cognitive enhancers?

Also, when people take them do they feel that they are able to remember and retain more of what they learn, in, say any kind of class they take?
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Yes, this is interesting to find a general nootropics thread in psychedelics, but maybe it's because there isn't a dedicated nootropic section here and psychedelics are effective nootropics, too:-)

If we are talking about psychedelic nootropics I think you may get slightly high even with micro-doses, but at the same time you experience cognitive enhancements. However if you take them regularly, you won't probably feel high, but stimulated instead. Feeling a bit of high from micro-dose may also mean that the dose was too big after all. I am not sure about it and I am curious of others' opinions on this topic - is it bad to get very slightly high on micro-doses? Actually with noopept I sometimes feel a bit high, too. And with caffeine and taurine as well. So maybe it's not only psychedelics and maybe the dose isn't too big.

Some psychedelics can help learn faster, understand new concepts quicker, be more creative, be more focused and motivated. It depends on a specific psychedelic. Your set and setting might also play a role, even if they are only micro-quantities.
 
Doldrugs said:
Yeah I don't think it makes any sense, myself, but the reason is basically the mods don't want to move the thread because it's been in PD so long. Which I think is a poor reason as well.

Nootropics don't get you high. They aren't psychedelic. Other Drugs makes perfect sense as the home for nootropics, and I don't see what's so hard about discussing stuff on the same site in a different area. It'll show up in your "threads I've posted in" just fine.
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I don't know that the mods have ever discussed moving the thread to OD. It's an interesting notion. I'll bring it up.
 
I've seen that point raised previously, and while I can't recall the specific reasons given, it was concluded it should still remain in PD. I'm a little unsure either way, as I can see (or at least at the time I agreed with) the reasons behind leaving the thread here in PD, though I also see the logic behind it being moved to OD.

Personally I have no real sway in either direction. More suited here due to the audience exposure, but ultimately I don't see Nootripics as 'psychedelic'.
 
The response was "there's already a community here," but I find that odd in the context of an Internet forum. It's not exactly a long walk to OD from PD.
 
Just A Guy said:
I don't know that the mods have ever discussed moving the thread to OD. It's an interesting notion. I'll bring it up.
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We concluded after deliberation that it seemed like it would be more useful here, and that it sort of vaguely fits because nootropic discussion mirrors psychedelic discussion in some ways, about altering your consciousness, but subtly. Also sometimes low-dose psychedelics are used as nootropics. I think people enjoy having this thread here. It's definitely a gray area though and probably strictly should belong in OD since nootropics are not psychedelic.
 
^^Then again, don't have any statistics on this, but I have a gut feeling psychedelic users will be more inclined to get into using nootropics.

Anyway, I've been on a cocktail of ginkgo, ginseng and rhodiola rosea the past week or two and I'm starting to really enjoy the mix of effects! Memory has drastically improved (daily use of cannabis really doesn't do you any favours here...), I'm much more energetic, less anxious, more social and I'm finding myself exercising more often, just to get rid of the excess energy.

I've had a few goes with phenylpiracetam. For me, it's way too strong at doses of 100mg. I can feel a subtle stimulation and increased desire to socialize, but it absolutely destroys my ability to concentrate. Trying to read text on it just makes my thoughts race like mad. Every word I read seems to trigger about 20 other ones in my mind. By the time I'm done reading a sentence I feel as though I've read a paragraph xD. I do like that it induces very vivid dreams that are remembered clearly upon waking. Piracetam suits me much better for nootropic purposes, although sadly it doesn't seem to have the same effect on dreams :(.
 
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