Clusterone666
Bluelighter
I've had super strong acid last about 4 hours before, but i don't know what it could be honestly.
Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread
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averagetool
Greenlighter
^ Haha... well finally we have found something we can all agree on! LSD is indeed a very weird drug. Hooray! I say we break out the champagne and all get plastered together!
Of course, we would just get into an argument about whether or not all the bubbles really enhanced the alcohol absorption, or if this was erroneous placebo effect from unreliable tipsy subjects, hehe.
I have experienced different effects with the same batch of alcohol..... Set and setting seem to have a lot to do with it. If I stand up suddenly sometimes I want to hurl...... 8)
Not N,N-diethylysergamide.
I was kind of joking peptide. LSD can make you shit through the eye of a needle all by itself. Especially when you take a big dose. It's nothing out of the ordinary.
Hallucinogens
Bluelighter
I believe this myth was first circulated due to the disbelief of others' when the other hears about one taking LSD. They are often quick to have a high ego and pawn the blotter off as one not containing LSD but an RC, perhaps. LSD is just as rampant today as it was in the 60s and 70s.
Don't get me wrong though, RCs can appear on blotters as I have made them with 2C-E.
Don't get me wrong though, RCs can appear on blotters as I have made them with 2C-E.
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Shambles
Bluelight Crew
And most figures from seizures and associated GC/MS testing I've seen over the years put the average dose on the average blotter at pretty much a constant average from the 60s right up to this weekend. And probably next week here and there too. Given the historical precedent anyway. Seems to be bit of a trend. A fairly fixed and stable trend admittedly. On average. On a Tuesday week. With a following wind. And maybe a friendly passing elf willing you on with all his lil elfy mite. Or might. Maybe. On average. More samples should probably be sampled to be sure though I'm sure.
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raggedy_acid
Bluelighter
Really? Could give more details? dose per 1/4in tab? taste? Kind of paper?
Hallucinogens
Bluelighter
Roughly 3-5mg per 1/4th inch tab but we weren't chopping them that small. I'm not sure the exact measurements but we concluded it was near 10-12mg per tab due to the total amount we put in, 500mg, and the number of tabs after chopping the entire sheet.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
I thought most tabs could only absorb around 2mg or so? I've seen 2C-E tabs before but they were massive - about 3-4" square(ish). They were very handmade and basically just ripped up pieces of blotting paper - no design. I turned them down cos fuck knows what the dose was. The lass selling them didn't seem to have a clue - didn't even know what an "average" 2C-E dose was anyway. She didn't make them herself but the fella she got them from who did make them was obviously a bit of a nob cos he said nothing about dose. Then again, most lil kiddiez really aren't gonna have a clue so would just take them as if they were acid. The thought of munching three or four tabs with an unknown dose of 2C-E on them is pretty freaky really. She did say she would give them back to the fella she got them from and wouldn't be selling them but who knows?
Never seen 2C-x on tabs other than that one time. And they weren't being claimed as being acid - at least she knew the name of the drug and was planning to charge more than for acid cos 2C-E is so much rarer. On "the street" certainly.
Never seen 2C-x on tabs other than that one time. And they weren't being claimed as being acid - at least she knew the name of the drug and was planning to charge more than for acid cos 2C-E is so much rarer. On "the street" certainly.
raggedy_acid
Bluelighter
Depends on the compound, its form and how soluble it is in small liquid solutions.
Some can get 5mg per 1/4in tab.
Hallucinogens
Bluelighter
Yes. Ours were very thick and at least a half inch per tab, if not larger.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Raggedy: Makes sense. Anyone know how much 2C-E could fit on such a tab cos the tabs I was offered were fuckin' huge. Either they contained a gram of 2C-E apiece or it was diluted at 0.0001mg/ml or summat.
Hallucinogens: That seems slightly more likely to me. I'm sure dilution would likely explain the discrepancy. Tis a hell of a difference between 1/2" and 3-4" though. But the ones I saw were very rough 'n' ready indeed, to be fair.
Hallucinogens: That seems slightly more likely to me. I'm sure dilution would likely explain the discrepancy. Tis a hell of a difference between 1/2" and 3-4" though. But the ones I saw were very rough 'n' ready indeed, to be fair.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Get yerself a Dutch friend and send one tab from each batch you get to them to get it tested. Bingo - you now know what it is and what dose is on each tab. Or get busted and keep a copy of the GC/MS test results and post them here. One idea may be better than the other...
On another forum on this topic it was mentioned that there was a Dutch place that tests blotters, but no-one could produce an email/contact details.
Even if such a place exists would their tests be sophisticated enough to differentiate between LSD and these LS? chemicals?
A popular counter argument for the "It's definitely LSD" brigade is that users have had substances confiscated and tested by the authorities and that they have been tested as LSD. Such blotters include the bitter tasting ones. Obviously this is all just hear-say, I can't link to reports or anything; but with this in mind is it possible then that the authorities in general aren't testing these blotters correctly? And therefore any institution, Dutch or otherwise, may make the same mistake?
Even if such a place exists would their tests be sophisticated enough to differentiate between LSD and these LS? chemicals?
A popular counter argument for the "It's definitely LSD" brigade is that users have had substances confiscated and tested by the authorities and that they have been tested as LSD. Such blotters include the bitter tasting ones. Obviously this is all just hear-say, I can't link to reports or anything; but with this in mind is it possible then that the authorities in general aren't testing these blotters correctly? And therefore any institution, Dutch or otherwise, may make the same mistake?
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
I've had bitter-tasting blotter that is definitely acid. Some inks used to print the pretty pics are very bitter so taste is of very limited use in determining substance. That GC/MS evidence has to stand up in court so I would tend to believe it. It's unbelievably detailed. That plus it's always fitted with personal experience. You can get tabs tested all over Holland and it is not done by "the authorities" - it's independent. They even give you the ug dose per tab as I said. That's pretty sophisticated testing. And - again - the results I've had always fit with personal experience of known doses.
DwayneHoover
Bluelighter
There is a blatant flaw like a huge sore with these "just get them tested and this proves it is all only perfect pure LSD" posts is this:
Will this testing identify and list EVERY substance of ANY kind that is in the dose?
Answer: NO!!!
They are looking for certain common drugs of abuse, and if it is not one of those, they will not tell you it is on there because they are not trained to recognize them, only the "abused" ones.
When people say a given batch is "dirty" they do not necessarily mean that it is one of these "non LSD ergoloids"
It may very well contain some quantity of LSD.
But the dirty ones sure seem like they also contain some OTHER compounds, resulting probably from a lousy/lazy synthesis process, that cause the whole stew to feel "dirty."
I am EXTREMELY dubious that these "test your drugs" places are going to be able to identify everything with total accuracy. They know they are only looking for a very limited set of things.
IMO, the likelihood of OTHER INTERACTING CHEMICALS seems FAR more likely, than this cockamamie hypothesis that real pure LSD is going to cause, in the same experienced person at the same dose in the same setting:
Trip 1: many visuals, zero bodyload
Trip 2: few or zero visuals, high often sickening flu-like bodyload.
Again I assert that the same drug in the same person in the same situation is going to case these 2 180 degree opposite effects profiles is in fact the RIDICULOUS theory, and the one for which there is little to no evidence. The other theory is supported by generations of reports from many highly experienced careful observant users, evidence of a type that is ROUTINELY taken as VERY significant by standard practices in the pharmaceutical development sciences.
Will this testing identify and list EVERY substance of ANY kind that is in the dose?
Answer: NO!!!
They are looking for certain common drugs of abuse, and if it is not one of those, they will not tell you it is on there because they are not trained to recognize them, only the "abused" ones.
When people say a given batch is "dirty" they do not necessarily mean that it is one of these "non LSD ergoloids"
It may very well contain some quantity of LSD.
But the dirty ones sure seem like they also contain some OTHER compounds, resulting probably from a lousy/lazy synthesis process, that cause the whole stew to feel "dirty."
I am EXTREMELY dubious that these "test your drugs" places are going to be able to identify everything with total accuracy. They know they are only looking for a very limited set of things.
IMO, the likelihood of OTHER INTERACTING CHEMICALS seems FAR more likely, than this cockamamie hypothesis that real pure LSD is going to cause, in the same experienced person at the same dose in the same setting:
Trip 1: many visuals, zero bodyload
Trip 2: few or zero visuals, high often sickening flu-like bodyload.
Again I assert that the same drug in the same person in the same situation is going to case these 2 180 degree opposite effects profiles is in fact the RIDICULOUS theory, and the one for which there is little to no evidence. The other theory is supported by generations of reports from many highly experienced careful observant users, evidence of a type that is ROUTINELY taken as VERY significant by standard practices in the pharmaceutical development sciences.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
It's true the Dutch tests don't necessarily test for a range of other drugs. But they do test for LSD and LSD alone in very detailed stylee. If they are so shonky then how come the precise ug figures they supply? If it's not LSD it comes back as "Unknown" (or "Not LSD" or whatever). That combined with GC/MS tests which agree with them and personal experience is good enough for me. Unless it really is an international conspiracy amongst various unconnected people and organisations both governmental, police and independent working together to hide the fact that something very similar to LSD that lasts half as long is also available and nobody notices the difference in duration.
Also, why are you so insistent that the opinions of those who agree with you must be true and the opinions of those who hold slightly different opinions are either wrong or part of this supposed conspiracy? "My side" of the argument aren't disputing the existence of LS? tabs - just their prevalence.
Subjective experienced opinion + common sense + independent testing > subjective experienced opinion + paranoia - evidence.
Also, why are you so insistent that the opinions of those who agree with you must be true and the opinions of those who hold slightly different opinions are either wrong or part of this supposed conspiracy? "My side" of the argument aren't disputing the existence of LS? tabs - just their prevalence.
Subjective experienced opinion + common sense + independent testing > subjective experienced opinion + paranoia - evidence.
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Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Sometimes. Depends on dose, set and setting though, naturally 