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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, so forgive me if it sounds that way, but even one hit (70 to 140 ug) of real LSD-025 is very not mellow.
 
Well Shambles, I admit to playing devil's advocate just a bit. I have friends who swear they've not had real clean LSD since 1974. Others like me have had mixed bag experiences... one batch seems clean with lots of visuals and no bodyload. While another batch seems the opposite.

Only seems like common sense to agree with my OWN findings.

It never seems to vary enormously within one batch for me like some are saying it does for them. Same dose and setting, and it seems to feel 95% exactly the same.

But another batch will often feel VERY different, consistently so throughout the entire batch.

One batch giving no bodyload and lots of vsuals, another giving major bodyload and few visuals. For the entire batch of 100-200 doses, at least those I end up sampling out of each.

Common sense says to me, that means there is SOMETHING DIFFERENT about the substance(s). Perhaps there is some LSD in all of it. But I think, not an international conspiracy... just some lazy steps or impure precursors or hasty incomplete purification for removal of related side-molecules, that results in other closely related things being in there with the LSD, perhaps ones not even really much is known about, that could interact with LSD to cause to an "off" aspect to the feeling.

Why do you keep using this silly hyper-paranoid "international conspiracy" term to describe my point of view? You are just trying ridicule it to make your own ideas seem more "scientific" and create an absurd strawman out of mine that so that you can knock it down. In fact, there is NO STATISTICALLY RELEVANT "body of evidence" from testing, as it is all completely scattershot, using different methods, ZERO consistency controls, focused in different times/places, is ONLY looking for the major known drugs of abuse, etc etc. Not the LEAST bit "scientific." And it goes against the common sense, most obvious explanation for my OWN experiences: different batches, that have a consistently different feel to them, are probably a different cocktail of substances. Just because we cant say exactly what it IS and how it works does NOT justify making a blanket assumption for the "all real pure lsd all the time through all history" hypothesis.

Just quit tagging my argument with ridiculous hyper-labels, putting words in my mouth that I never said. Thank you.
 
The conspiracy theory thang comes from the fact you keep disputing the evidence from independent testing that is available in Europe. The majority (but certainly not all) of tabs in circulation in Europe are tested and at a known dose of a known chemical. I said previously that the incidence of non-LSD blotter seems to be way higher in the US... where they aren't tested. I know that some of the suspect blotters were said to be from Europe. Perhaps that may be down to the fact that nobody would get away with selling them here? Just another possibility cos I still don't deny they probably do exist. Just not in any of the acidic circles I've ever mixed in. And that is a fairly wide circle and at a range of "levels". Albeit all in Europe.

And I say again - the tests here are for LSD and LSD alone and very detailed. And they match precisely with GC/MS data on the same tabs. And with personal experience. Very different market and very different scene supplied by very different people (for the most part) over here. Just putting a wider perspective on it all.

And once again - I have never said that all tabs sold as LSD worldwide are for sure LSD - just that all that I have ever come across and all that I am aware of are. Non-LSD tabs are always sold as such and cost more than LSD here cos they're so rare. Never come across LS? tabs though - just DOx, BDRFLY and the like.
 
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This matter would probably be solved by now if the DEA still made public the uncensored version of their Microgram Journal and Bulletin. :(
 
^^ One LSD seizure in seven years?!? Ha! I don't think so :D

It's not just the chemist at the top of the chain that gets busted. And there are far more (in terms of numbers) competent chemists making large quantities of top-notch LSD than most folks seem to think. Far more.
 
Maybe two. Anyway, that's what I read (at the time) on their website. The seizure occurred in New Jersey.

I think it's safe to say, at any rate, most if not 99% of the stuff you find on blotters sold nowadays is not LSD. Real LSD lasts a solid 12 hours and is very anxiogenic. Also, its visuals only occur at relatively high doses and are slow moving. Startling flashes of insight are to be expected.
 
You have to be kidding... And very US-centric too. There's a whole world out there, y'know? I've been busted for acid more than twice in the last seven years and could reel off a very long list of others who have been too. Some being rather hefty seizures, most less hefty. And all acid.

Acid can be anxious. But is more often intensely euphoric. That's why acid-house parties were so popular. And why psytrance parties still are. Believe me you can find plenty acid at either... And yes, it often lasts around 12 hours. This LS? is said to last 4-5 hours or so. Have never known anything sold as acid be so brief.

PS: Acieeeed!!! =D<3=D
 
I am US-centric, I guess, but all the times I've tried "acid" in the last 10 years or so, it was bunk. And I tripped muchisimo before that. So, no, I can't really speak for other countries.

I chalk the fake acid movement in the US up to the Pickard bust.
 
literate said:
Maybe two. Anyway, that's what I read (at the time) on their website. The seizure occurred in New Jersey.

I think it's safe to say, at any rate, most if not 99% of the stuff you find on blotters sold nowadays is not LSD. Real LSD lasts a solid 12 hours and is very anxiogenic. Also, its visuals only occur at relatively high doses and are slow moving. Startling flashes of insight are to be expected.
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I think you're overestimating the commonality of your experience a bit. Not everyone experiences these things in the same way. For you that may well be the case, but I and plenty of others have had plenty of LSD trips that were both over & under the 12hr mark. And many of my early trips were a bit anxiogenic, but many of my later trips were not. I think it has a lot to do with knowing what to expect.

And as for the LS? being the culprit in sub-par experiences, I don't think we know enough to make that assumption just yet, unless we're talking strictly about the more profound, spiritual aspects of the substance, and i'm not completely comfortable making that assumption either. The batch from which the GC/MS at the beginning of this thread comes was subjectively less anxiogenic and more visually oriented than LSD, according to some who tried said blotters. Also, a little less "deep" or spiritual. No mention was made of increased or decreased body load, etc. There also isn't any evidence of active ergoloids being accidentally produced in LSD synthesis. I think its probably a safe assumption that these things have to be made intentionally. Iso-LSD & lumi-LSD have both been shown to be absent of activity in man at much higher doses than would be present on blotter. We also know that body load can be highly somatic in a number of psychedelics, and if i were a betting man that's where i'd put my money in this instance as well.
 
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Maybe two. Anyway, that's what I read (at the time) on their website. The seizure occurred in New Jersey.

I think it's safe to say, at any rate, most if not 99% of the stuff you find on blotters sold nowadays is not LSD. Real LSD lasts a solid 12 hours and is very anxiogenic. Also, its visuals only occur at relatively high doses and are slow moving. Startling flashes of insight are to be expected.
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Huh?


This post is insane on so many levels. There have been 7 functional LSD labs busted in the USA in the past ten years. The DEA documents thousands of seizures of verified LSD a year. Thousands The vast majority of this is on blotter. The low was in the two years past Pickards bust, when seizures went down to the low 3 digits. And this is just the DEA crap. So.....what the hell?

Where are you getting these crazy figures? And where are these nutty generalizations about LSDs effects coming from? Its visuals are slow moving? Are you fucking serious?
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any major dude said:
I think you're overestimating the commonality of your experience a bit.
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I'm sure I am to an extent. I'm just sharing one person's experience, after all.

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The visuals are slow moving though. I won't retract that statement.
Honestly, I don't think kids today in the US have a clue what real acid is.
"Mellow"? WTF.
 
The things with psychedelics is that the experience isn't contained within the drug as it is with most substances. The experience depends so greatly on what each individual user brings to the table each time. To quote the Buddha ;) A man that walks across a room does not return the same man, or something to that effect. This i think is very apt in regards to LSD. Also, I'm guessing you've been tripping for quite a while literate? A number of people I've met who've been in the scene for a couple of decades seem to think similar things, however, some others, who are around the same age think the opposite (and usually know where to get good LSD. sssshhhh ;)) This may have something to do with novelty & expectation bias. I think Ken Kesey put it most succinctly when he said you can only walk through the same door so many times & learn something. Just my 2¢
 
any major dude said:
I'm guessing you've been tripping for quite a while literate? A number of people I've met who've been in the scene for a couple of decades seem to think similar things, however, some others, who are around the same age think the opposite (and usually know where to get good LSD. sssshhhh ;))
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I first took acid in the summer of 1995 the week Jerry Garcia died. By 1999 I had taken enough so that it just got progressively emotionally taxing, and I quit.

As far the latter part of your paragraph, I do know one guy my age who got some crystal lsd, ate (!) a thumbprint, and is now permatripping. I asked him what the trip taught him, and he said, "That drugs are bad." lol

Interestingly, he did not seem to be permatripping in the say way that ppl in the 90s were from the looks of it. He was more functional looking than them. Perhaps, he got LSM or LSB? Arghh, idk.

Sorry if I offended anybody; it was not my intention.
 
permatripping? Sounds like some druggie-lingo that someone in the DEA fantasized out of thin air as a PR thing? There is no such thing. Unless you mean the person became mentally ill, and some state of psychosis was triggered. But "permatripping"? That's pretty ridiculous, rather a juvenile expression IMO, no offense, but come on.
 
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