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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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I mean it's just there's a million ways DMT could end up looking. Depends on the rate at which it crystallized. Sounds like it came out of solution very quickly leading to a very fine precipitate. Sure it may have been filtered via vacuum filtration, but that isn't at all necessary for DMT to come out at a very fine particulate product. Possibly the extractor supersaturated their organic solvent with DMT and then threw it straight into a very cold freezer leading to quick precipitation and tiny tiny crystals.
 
^Thats what I do. Its leads to very small maybe 1 cm particles of dmt scattered on the plate. If I try really hard to make a super clean extract it will come out extremely white its a pretty much like powder(it drys into clumps that look like really white crack rocks) then chop it with a razor leading to very small powder esque dmt particles. I find it doesn't matter much though whether I speed through the extraction and end up with off white dmt or pure white dmt. I just do it sometimes because snow white dmt is fairly nice to look at.
 
Just finished my first dmt extraction. I used whathcamacallits stb extraction from the nexus, but I've ended up with a more yellow colored powder than he did.

I've let it dry for about 48 hours, and there is no longer any smell of the naptha.

I've also read around that often the yellow color is fatty oils from the plant, but am not sure what tint of yellow that means as mine is yellower than most pics i've seen, so i figured I'd ask here.

Pic attached is what it looks like.

Would a simple rex clean this up, or is there another method that would work better? Or should I simply smoke it as it?
 

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There's a couple things you can do to clean up.

Simple recrystallization will help most likely.

Though, that crystal looks like it would probably be fine for vaping.
 
adrian89987 said:
There's a couple things you can do to clean up.

Simple recrystallization will help most likely.

Though, that crystal looks like it would probably be fine for vaping.
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Thanks, that's great to hear!

Do you think the spice in it's current form could be used for enhanced leaf?
 
I'm having a problem with DMT extractions, particularly on pulls after the first, with lower yield.

So, i pop the naptha pulls in the freezer, spice falls out, and then i open the jar, pour off the naptha (all crystals sticking to bottom of glass). Then i let it come to room temperature and go to scrape out the crystals, but i don't have crystals. I have liquid. All the little DMT crystals have turned into blobs of moisture.

Presumably the liquid is water - but freebase DMT is not water soluble, yet the crystals are definitely gone into this liquid. Has anyone had similar experiences, or know how to fix this?

Followed Noman's tek.
 
TheAzo said:
I'm having a problem with DMT extractions, particularly on pulls after the first, with lower yield.

So, i pop the naptha pulls in the freezer, spice falls out, and then i open the jar, pour off the naptha (all crystals sticking to bottom of glass). Then i let it come to room temperature and go to scrape out the crystals, but i don't have crystals. I have liquid. All the little DMT crystals have turned into blobs of moisture.

Presumably the liquid is water - but freebase DMT is not water soluble, yet the crystals are definitely gone into this liquid. Has anyone had similar experiences, or know how to fix this?

Followed Noman's tek.
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I'm not all that experienced, but the spice in my above post was a gooey stuff after I poured the naptha off as well. Left it to dry for a day or two and it ended up as what you see, so maybe that is what is happening to yours as well.
 
I'm fixing to try my first STB tek extraction from some powered MHRB.

The procedure as I understand it:

-Mix the water, lye and MHRB powder in glass jar; shake and/or stir and let sit for at least a couple hours
-Add naptha, shake and/or stir (shaking means you have to wait longer for the emulsion to settle), let sit for an hour or two or at least until the naptha separates cleanly to the top
-Remove as much of the naptha layer as possible without getting any lye water, putting the naptha in a separate container
-If necessary, evaporate some naptha to increase concentration, then put the naptha jar in the freezer and the DMT freebase should solidify and fall to the bottom to be strained out. Alternatively, you can evaporate all the naptha, but this takes a while and then you can't reuse the naptha so it's best to wait till you're done with all your pulls before evaporating to get the last of it out of solution.

Expected yield: roughly 0.5-1.5% the original mass of MHRB

Sound about right? How much water and naptha should one use for about 200-250g of powdered bark? Is 1:1 lye:bark a good ratio or is that an excessive amount of lye? Any steps left out of the above tek, or that are more difficult/involved/complex than I seem to realise? As I understand it, the only really 'tricky' part is getting the last of the naptha out without getting any lye (and you can always leave a bit in to mix in with the next pull, so no sense losing sleep over getting that very last bit out, right?), and beyond that as long as you are careful not to spill lye on exposed skin or inhale lots of naptha fumes, it's pretty much smooth sailing if you just follow the tek step by step. Is that about right? Any other little tips/tricks y'all wished you knew before your first pull?

Final question: is it a good idea to leave the water/lye/mhrb mix sitting overnight before the first pull? The longer the better in terms of yield, right? Is overnight long enough that further soaking would make little difference or would there still be a lot of DMT left in the root bark unextracted even after that long?

Ok, real final question: as I understand the chemistry of it: basified water simply extracts the DMT in its natural salt form into the water. Naptha converts the DMT to freebase, and the freebase is not soluble in basified water but is soluble in naptha, so that single step both 'freebasifies' the DMT and transfers it to the naptha. Right?
 
Sounds like you got it, but yea that will be a Lot of lye. I usually just try to get my pH to round 14 with STB.

Also might wanna just go ahead and put your naphtha layer in with everything when you first put everything in the jar...just to go ahead and give some DMT a nice home to go to. The heat from dissolving the lye in water will heat up the naphtha which increases the solubility of DMT (but also impurities!) in the solvent.

I guess it depends on how white and clean you want your DMT. You can add the naphtha once everything is at room temp and do quick pulls for DMT of higher purity in the first few pulls though they won't yield as much.
I tend to let each pull go for a day or so rolling the jar around throughout the day, though I kinda like having the yellowy DMT to make herbal blends.
 
solistus said:
-Add naptha, shake and/or stir (shaking means you have to wait longer for the emulsion to settle), let sit for an hour or two or at least until the naptha separates cleanly to the top

I would strongly recommend against shaking. you do not want any kind of emulsion!

(and you can always leave a bit in to mix in with the next pull, so no sense losing sleep over getting that very last bit out, right?), and beyond that as long as you are careful not to spill lye on exposed skin or inhale lots of naptha fumes, it's pretty much smooth sailing if you just follow the tek step by step.

right right and right

Final question: is it a good idea to leave the water/lye/mhrb mix sitting overnight before the first pull? The longer the better in terms of yield, right? Is overnight long enough that further soaking would make little difference or would there still be a lot of DMT left in the root bark unextracted even after that long?

Ok, real final question: as I understand the chemistry of it: basified water simply extracts the DMT in its natural salt form into the water. Naptha converts the DMT to freebase, and the freebase is not soluble in basified water but is soluble in naptha, so that single step both 'freebasifies' the DMT and transfers it to the naptha. Right?
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no. plain water simply extracts the DMT in its natural salt form into the water. water at pH 14 is freebasing the DMT into a form that is not very soluble in water. this is what drives the DMT into the naptha. if your water is at acidic pH, all of the DMT will be protonated (salt form) and leave the naptha. increasing the pH with lye drives DMT into the deprotonated freebase form which is much much much more soluble in naptha

there is not much reason to leave the lye water with the bark for a long time, especially if you powder your bark properly.
 
well even powdered the DMT isn't THAT quick to get out of the bark. I'm usually getting fairly nice pulls out of STB extractions throughout a weeklong period. Leaving the bark in the lye water And with a nonpolar solvent for longer and longer pulls will help to extract all of the goodies out.
 
adrian89987 said:
I tend to let each pull go for a day or so rolling the jar around throughout the day, though I kinda like having the yellowy DMT to make herbal blends.
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i do the same. I kinda like yellowy.
Extra alkaloids FTW =D


Sol. your tek sounds right.
When mixing water, lye and bark first fill the jar with water, then add lye. Stir the jar around till all the lye dissolves.
It will get hot and there will be a pressure build up, open the lid slowly to let the gasses escape and keep your face away from the jar (duh).
Then add the bark and shake vigoursly.

Let that sit for a a couple hours for the foamy stuff to settle.

then add naphta, etc...

Ok, real final question: as I understand the chemistry of it: basified water simply extracts the DMT in its natural salt form into the water. Naptha converts the DMT to freebase, and the freebase is not soluble in basified water but is soluble in naptha, so that single step both 'freebasifies' the DMT and transfers it to the naptha. Right?
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i dont know much about chemistry but i think you got this one wrong.
im not sure what you mean by its natural salt form :\

the lye is what turns the dmt into the freebase (hence basified water).
Dmt freebase is not soluble in water but is in non polar solutions (ie naphta) so the dmt FB floats iout of the basified water into naptha.

hope that makes sense.

like i said, i dont know much about chemistry but thats how i understand it.
 
greenmeanies said:
there is not much reason to leave the lye water with the bark for a long time, especially if you powder your bark properly.
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this is true. if pulls are done quick i find the spice is whiter.

if left to sit longer you pull more fats, tannins (and alkaloids =D)

i tend to get lazy at times when extracting and let the jars sit for a day or 5 at times.
 
Yea same here. All of my DMT goes into herbal blends and capsules for oral consumption anyway. Always gets me to the place I wanna be.
 
OK, so new plan:

1. Add water to jar, then lye, then seal jar and gently swirl till all the lye dissolves.
2. Carefully open the jar, aiming away from people in case some hot steam comes out.
3. Add MHRB powder, seal again, shake vigorously.
4. Add naptha, then let it sit for a while while rolling gently from time to time.
5. After 2-3 hours, remove as much of the naptha as possible and start another pull at step 4. Aim to do 3 pulls over the afternoon/evening.
6. Try another pull after another day or two if desired for some fattier, lower yield final pulls.

Two remaining questions: how much water/lye/naptha should I use with 200-250g MHRB powder, and is it necessary to seal the jar while dissolving the lye or could I just leave the jar open and avoid the heat/pressure buildup bit?
 
if you have pH paper, you're shooting for a pH of 12-14. various teks will tell you various ratios, but if you're going straight to base you only have to neutralize the tannic acid in the bark. an acid-base extraction would start at a much lower pH than you are at with fresh bark.

remember to wear gloves. if you seal and shake a jar, recall that some of the liquid will get in the threads and on your hands. keep several rags handy, and have a bowl of vinegar just in case you get any lye water on your skin.

an erlenmeyer flask (the typical conical flasks that one thinks of in a chemistry lab) is ideal for this type of work, as the shape of the walls allows you to swirl fairly vigorously without worrying about it spilling out. additionally, because it gets narrow at the top you can more easily remove naptha. of course, a real separatory funnel is best for solvent extractions, but as long as your eyedropper/pipette is inert to your solvent and you have a steady hand, a narrow beaker is fine
 
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^Thats what I do. Its leads to very small maybe 1 cm particles of dmt scattered on the plate. If I try really hard to make a super clean extract it will come out extremely white its a pretty much like powder(it drys into clumps that look like really white crack rocks) then chop it with a razor leading to very small powder esque dmt particles. I find it doesn't matter much though whether I speed through the extraction and end up with off white dmt or pure white dmt. I just do it sometimes because snow white dmt is fairly nice to look at.
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aha!! this sounds like exactly what he is doing at the mo. I've seen his product before and it was just nice crystals, but rather small...

I can't wait to do my own this year (it never happened last year, couldn't be assed to work out how to get all the chemicals without drawing attention to my address, anyone in the UK, PM me for assistance?? <3)

I wanna dry it as slowly as possible and get really big crystals. That's what I want...mmm.
 
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