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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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I shook it before I added naptha, after adding it I moved it around end to end, but I might have been too harsh. So do I have to start over? Thanks for the reply!

EDIT: Also, im assuming theres no way to get 100% clear on the pulls right? My pull is mostly clear but theres still a little brown crap sitting at the bottom
 
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You can't really start over. The only option you have is to submerge the jug containing the solutions in a larger container (a bucket, perhaps) of hot water, and wait a couple hours. If the emulsion doesn't ever fully separate, no biggie -- just continue the extraction process with whatever nonpolar solvent you still have.

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EDIT: Also, im assuming theres no way to get 100% clear on the pulls right? My pull is mostly clear but theres still a little brown crap sitting at the bottom
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You've got to avoid any "brown" looking contaminants. Otherwise your final product will contain a quantity of caustic NaOH.
 
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You can't really start over. The only option you have is to submerge the jug containing the solutions in a larger container (a bucket, perhaps) of hot water, and wait a couple hours. If the emulsion doesn't ever fully separate, no biggie -- just continue the extraction process with whatever nonpolar solvent you still have.



You've got to avoid any "brown" looking contaminants. Otherwise your final product will contain a quantity of caustic NaOH.
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I see, thanks, but how exactly do I get out the clear white without any brown at all? I have a turkeybaster \ syringe but it seems no matter how careful I am a little brown still gets through.
 
I recommend separating the majority with a turkey baster, and then leaving the final gory details for a pipette or syringe, if you've got one on hand. If not, then you're probably just going to have to accept a little bit of a loss of product in return for a pure and safe end result.
 
Could I pull out the brown foamy layer after doing a pull, then add more naptha for the next pull and be more gentle?
 
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Could I pull out the brown foamy layer after doing a pull, then add more naptha for the next pull and be more gentle?
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Yes, you should. However, that may not break the emulsion. bad emulsions can stay like that for days. My suggestion would be to get the clear liquid out. Then try to break the emulsion by throwing some salt (yes, plain NaCl), and mixing it carefully. Another way is to add more lye. This latter method is one of the best ways to break a tough emulsion.

Finally I might add the last resource. It's more troublesome but it has always worked. I saw this in a tek at the nexus. Remove the naphtha you have separated and then continue simmering until very few liquid remains. The ideal consistence is like that of tar. let it cool down for a few hours. Eventually it may get thick. Then add lots of plain water and start warming up, enough to get the previous volume at near boiling temperature. Mix it thoroughly and the goo will dissolve quickly and when it does, the emulsion is gone! Check the pH and add more naphtha for the 2nd pull.

good luck!
 
Ok, I think I'll add more lye since this seems the simplest, during the 2nd pull the foamy brown later became much smaller, around 1\5 or 1\6 the volume of the clear layer, should I still be ok? my first 2 pulls were with the emulsion, but I pretty much avoided pulling probably 98% of it.

Edit: I added more lye and it worked out great, the foamy emulsion is still there but hardly noticeable, thanks a BUNCH, both of you!
 
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Marsofold's tek requires a lot less lye than most popular teks. That's because it's an acid/base rather than straight-to-base tek. From my personal experience, the DMT that yields from an A/B tek like Marsofold's is VERY pure (as in, snow white glass shards).

A STB tek like Noman's tends to yield crystal that is, although a bit less pure, quantitatively and for my purposes qualitatively greater. The impurities that are present in a STB extract don't seem to add harshness to the extract's vapor, add a delightful floral scent ( :D ), and strangest of all, seem to noticeably increase its bioavailability when insufflated. After sniffing bump after bump of snow-white A/B DMT, I was barely noticing threshold effects. The light honey-yellow, rose-scented STB Mimosa extract made it a serious chore to summon the motor coordination necessary to screw the cap back on my bottle of spice, after sniffing a like amount!
 
Merged, carry on where everyone gathers (if not always as voluntarily)...

by the way feel free to nominate all recombined or totally new teks to get their own thread and linked to. Sure there are a couple nice ones out there, but that doesn't mean improvement is impossible so let us index the epic ones.
 
extra slow freeze precip :)

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I think that means that he lowered the temperature at a very low rate

very nice chunks man, im sure that you will enjoy that very very much indeed
 
Yes, like adrian says the temperature was lowered at a slow rate, solution was supersaturated - then heated gently to 40°C to dissolve everything, then left to return to room temperature, then set in the fridge insulated with newspapers and crap around it to slow the temp decline. Then the insulation was removed. Then eventually the same in the deepfreeze.

I didn't use a razor, the mother liquor was decanted and the crystals were left to dry on an hourglass with a fan breeze going over it.

After that I'm pretty sure the mother liquor has little to nothing left in it.

I'm happy with it but I really do need a better natural resource because I could have had such a bigger yield, and don't think I did anything wrong. I played with some parameters but nothing - I don't think there is more in it.
 
Solipsis, I like your method very much. I do something similar. I first evaporate or distill off the solvent, depending on which one I use. Then I warm some naptha and add it slowly to the initial residue with continued gentle heat and magnetic stirring until it all dissolves. My hotplate has a built in thermometer, so I can directly set the temperature I want the solvent at, and I drop it degree by degree (when I'm feeling really OCD) every half hour to hour until it reaches room temp. Then I put it in the fridge at its warmest setting and drop the temp to its coldest over the course of a day, then I put it in the freezer and do the same. The crystals always end up bigger and cleaner looking for it, with no real loss in yield.

In fact, super saturating the solvent will give higher yields than your typical recrystalization.
 
Yeah that sounds good! Also you can decant these crystals without much problem or scraping IME. Try decanting dried in residue, that's not really a picnic :D
 
I saw some DMT the other day that was pure white and very fine like a 2c-x - but my mate has been smoking it and he knows his DMT - he gets it from the person who makes it - how would this happen!?!

Still not tried making it - this year I reckonnsss
 
Powdered up crystals? DMT can have MANY appearances. Many different shades of yellow/orange/red/white and many different shapes for the crystals. As long as its not blueish/purple or something, I wouldnt be too worried.
 
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