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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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I just thought I'd add a way to get more spice and jungle alkaloids from your naptha exhausted basic aqueous slurry left over from STB teks. By doing xylene pulls on the exhausted water/bark/lye mix left over from a 400g extraction, the xylene pulled an additional 1.5grams of Jungle Spice fumarate. I havent tried it yet so I'm not sure how much pure DMT is in there in comparison to the jungle alkaloids, but it's certainly worth it. This is also an excellent primary extraction tek when using xylene as a solvent as you don't have to evap the xylene to recover the spice (xylene can not be freeze preciped). I'll add a tek to make FASA as well. All credit goes to others for comming up with all this.


But new methods of extracting spice without using lye or hydrocarbon solvents wasn't the only developement this inspired. Some intrepid experimenters also discovered that FASA can also be used to precipitate DMT out of some other solvents besides acetone! This was initially discovered with xylene (again, posted by Infundibulum):


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a) first xylene pull (coloured piss yellow) goes in an appropriate container.

b) FASA was added dropwise, xylene became cloudy due to the salted alkaloids. One cannot put too much FASA.

c) solutions was left overnite at room temperature allowing for the alkaloid-fumarate to sediment. Now one got them out of the xylene without the need to evaporate it!

d) Xylene was siphoned off and washed with plenty of water. This was done because this xylene had traces of acetone and fumaric acid that one does not really want. Water washed away fumaric acid and acetone, leaving back clean xylene (plus the yellowy plant oils that dissolved into it). This xylene was used for the second pull etc etc. By this approach one knows when to stop pulling since at some point there will be no alkaloids in the xylene to be salted out. it took SWIM 7 100ml xylene pulls to exhaust 240g MHRB.

e) fumarate alkaloids were washed 3 times with some acetone to remove any residual xylene and oily impurities.

f) Then they were dried in the oven at 70 Celsius until pretty hard.


This is a great developement! It circumvents the tedious process of evaporating xylene. Since the "jungle spice" alkaloids seems to precipitate as the fumarate as well, this will save jungle spice extractors a lot of time. And from an economic standpoint, this allows the same batch of xylene to be re-used repeatedly for subsequent pulls. If I ever get around to extracting another batch of spice, I'll probably use xylene for all my pulls.

This method of precipitating the fumarate salt from nonpolar solvents has been confirmed to work with both xylene and toluene. It does not work with "Bartoline Premium Low Odour White Spirit" (when the FASA is added, the fumaric acid precipitates immediately, not DMT fumarate); it therefor seems likely that the FASA precipitation would not work with typical naphtha extractions (but we can freeze-precipitate from naphtha, so there's really no need for it). If anyone cares to try, it would be useful to know whether this method of DMT fumarate precipitation might work with DCM, or d-limonene.
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Preperation of FASA:

Ok, so I thought I'd post a pictoral of how FOAF can dry acetone with anhydrous magnesium sulfate and prepare FASA ( fumaric acid saturated acetone) using anhydrous acetone and fumaric acid. Entropymancer's instructions below were followed.


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You can easily turn hardware store acetone into anhydrous acetone with the simple process I've outlined below. To do this, you'll need to go to Home Depot or Lowes and get the following items: a 1 liter can of acetone and a bag of epsom salts.

Heat some epsom salts on an aluminum foil covered baking sheet in the oven for 2 hours at 400 degrees F. After 2 hours of heating, the epsom salts have now been turned into anhydrous magnesium sulphate. Crazy huh?

Take 10-20 grams of your greyish ash looking anhydrous magnesium sulphate and pour it directly into your can of hardware store acetone. Shake the can vigorously for a few minutes to circulate the magnesium sulphate and then let it settle for 24 hours. The magnesium sulphate will absorb all of the water and/or alcohol from the hardware store acetone and sink it to the bottom of the can where it shall remain forever.

Therefore from now on, never pour from the can, instead use a glass eye dropper or glass pipette (glass straw) to reach down inside of the can to extract however much anhydrous acetone you'll be requiring. Always stay away from the bottom of the can. Once the can get's about half way down, discard and repeat the process with a fresh can of acetone. Always use glass hardware when using acetone. Acetone will melt plastic.

　
Half a bag of epsome salt was poured in a pyrex baking dish and covered with foil. It stayed in the oven at 400 degrees F for 4 hours and the resulting whitish powder (anhydrous magnesium sulfate) was sealed in a mason jar. 500ml of hardware store acetone was poured into a mason jar and approx. 10-20g of anhydrous MgSO4 was added. The jar was shaken vigorously and allowed to sit overnight.

250ml of anhydrous acetone was then siphoned off from the top of the jar containing the MgSO4 and acetone, filtered through a coffee filter and was transferred to a smaller mason jar. Approximately 1545mg of fumaric acid can dissolve in 250ml of acetone, so approx. 1.7 grams were added to ensure complete saturation. The mixture was shaken thoroughly and allowed to sit over-night.

FOAF will be using this FASA to conduct the experiment he mentioned in his other thread: First DMT extraction STB w/ pics. After the aqueous basic mixture was exhausted from Naptha pulls, 3 xylene pulls were conducted and will be divided in half. One half will be evaped to yeild jungle Spice , and the other will be precipitated with FASA going on the assumption that FASA will only precipitate DMT . When the weight of the two samples are compared, it may give an idea as to how much actual DMT is in jungle spice.

On the other hand, if FASA causes other alkaloids to precipitate, it will at least give us an idea of the amount of crystaline alkaloids in jungle Spice , vs. oils/fats etc. This experiment will also help to show how much (if any) DMT is missed by the Naptha pulls. The final Naptha pulls that were performed yeilded little to no Spice . Hope someone finds this info useful When the FASA is ready FOAF will continue with the experiment and post more.
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From 400g MHRB after all extractions (a regular STB tek with naptha pulls until no more DMT could be pulled, then the xylene pulls) a total of 5.8g of alkaloids were recovered. I was pleased with this first attempt :)

Edit: I forgot that the total yield only includes half the Xylene pulls...the other half of the xylene is being evaporated to compare between it and the FASA precip'd DMT. SO total yeild should be (taking into account that fumarate is heavier that freebase) approx 7grams freebase alkaloids from 400g MHRB. 4.8g of pure white crystal DMT, 1.5g Jungle alkaloid fumarate, and approx.(not done evaporating) 1g red Jungle spice freebase. The pure white crystals were obtained with a single recrystalization in heptane (bestine). The crystals were piss yellow after the naptha freeze precip.... heptane for pure white DMT goodness lol!
 
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I've recrystallized some slightly yellow DMT and I've decanted the warm naphtha, leaving a layer of honey-like fluid that when cooled solidified to a wax-like opaque, yellow solid substance that melts on touch. Now, the trouble is this yellow stuff took away a third of my yield.

Do you think any more DMT freebase may be in in that wax, and would it be recoverable?

Otherwise, would it lend itself to being smoked or taken with a MAOI? (I assume it is mostly DMT N-oxide). Might it contain impurities that would make it harsher to smoke?
 
It will most definitely contain some DMT, who knows how much. And yea it will be a much harsher smoke. A lot of it is probably just plant crap.
 
Thanks. If it contains a reasonable amount of DMT N-oxide I was thinking of trying that zinc dust reduction tek on the Nexus.

I think I'll also try taking it orally. I hope it's good enough for that.

But is it common to lose a third of the yield to recrystallization? Could it be because of my mistakes? Could the bark have been poor quality? The only reason I can suspect (being a noob) is that I left the basic solution overnight instead of for an hour as advised in Noman's tek. Could this have freed more plant impurities to be pulled by the naphtha?
 
Yea leaving it overnight will give you a lot more impurities. You would be able to take it orally the only problem is you don't know how much DMT you'd be taking really.

The yield you lost during recrystallization is going to happen no matter what, the better you are at recrystallization the less you will lose. Sometimes the recrystallizations can just be a pain though
 
Yeah... I'll get it better next time.

Some other observations:

-I've also successfully used the two glued syringes for moving the solvent, although I had to seal them together with silicone gel, just taping them together didn't create a seal. I've also seen syringes with no rubber parts, but they were 12ml max.

-I've used Primus Powerfuel and I got about 1,25% yield after freeze precipitation and 0,75% after recrystallization, from bark coming from a vendor said by many to offer 1,5-2% yields. This may be because of my noob ineptitude, but also the lightness of the solvent may have played a part. Next time I'll also try Ronsonol to make a comparison.
 
The bark was reported as up to 2%?

.75% is not a bad yield at all really, I usually end up with .75-1%
You talking bout m hostilis?
 
Yes, there were several people IIRC reporting 2% and most over 1,5%. It comes from NE Brazil. Great prices too. Check out the DMT Nexus forum (you need to register though).

I did a recrystallization and activated charcoal wash, followed by a slow cooling. First time I'm seeing DMT needle flowers :)
 
OK that rejuvinates my interest in extraction! Probably gonna extract some M.H. during my vacation at my dad's! Though I think I've also found an affordable source of synthetic DMT (O lordy), that would be a treasure to keep my whole life or something...

I have a good time working the lab, so that's just dandy, but the barkpowder I have currently
has a disappointingly low yield... :(

Oh well.
 
you guys think it would be good to do the egg in an acidic phase, could it be done by throwing an egg into the black slurry of the base part?

has anyone ever done the egg thing for drinkable ayahuasca, and how do you think it could be adapted to an extraction tek?

after the egg.... (lightning struck outside my house as soon as i typed that lol)

activated charcoal, how does that go? anyone ever done this in xylene?

infoplzzz
 
thanks rigacrypto, nexus is a great place aint it?
i should have been more specific with the activated charcoal question though.

i was wondering more about jungle spice and charcoal, if it will suck it in there too if i added some to hot xylene or if it will just take out the other crap and leave me with reeallll clean spice and jungle stuff
 
Wood ash lye. It's made by mixing wood ash with boiling water, letting it sit for a few minutes, then pouring the water through a strainer. The result is a crude solution of potassium carbonate, and I'm told you can get up to pH 12 with this method.

I'm not sure if it's basic enough for STB, but should definitely work for an A/B.

Also, soda ash (sodium carbonate): put baking soda in the oven at 200 C degrees for 2 hours. Soda ash only works for A/B extraction.
 
ok.. cause Tylerwashere and I will be working on this trw and we can't seem to find lye powder locally. So we're looking for alternatives that would work just the same.
 
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