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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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Well, if you're going to do STB, you'll very probably need a strong base, like NaOH or KOH.

With A/B you'll have other options.
 
what would you suggest for a first timer? We were looking for something that won't take 2 weeks to do and isn't that intensive.

I have a good understanding of chemistry so that's not a problem
 
I started with STB myself. But doing an A/B shouldn't be a problem either if you're familiar with chemistry.

It all depends what supplies you can acquire easily. If you can get lots of NaOH or KOH easily, do an STB. You'll need 1g NaOH per gram of bark for STB.

If you can't get enough NaOH or KOH, then do an A/B extraction.

The DMT nexus has lots of instructions for both extraction types.
 
You can order high quality NaOH online. However if you are having a hard time finding lye or don't want to use it for whatever reason, I'm sure non-sudsy ammonia will work (as long as you reach a basic enough pH). It's used in other A/B extractions.
 
Tylerwashere: You don't need to ever test your PH, just start with distilled water. (Assuming you will do a STB tek, which you should)

Swerz: Look harder, crystallized or powdered Lye can be found in any state in America...
 
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thanks rigacrypto, nexus is a great place aint it?
i should have been more specific with the activated charcoal question though.

i was wondering more about jungle spice and charcoal, if it will suck it in there too if i added some to hot xylene or if it will just take out the other crap and leave me with reeallll clean spice and jungle stuff
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Yeah, it's the ultimate resource for DMT extraction knowledge. Sorry about the xylene bit though, I've never tried it. Maybe you can ask on the Nexus, there are some very experienced people there.
 
IGNVS... xylene??? ugh... its smells so horrible, dont use that suff inside... like ever, the smell is haunting
 
1.# Pulverize the bark until it’s just fiber and pink/purple dust. It should be snapped into small pieces and run through a coffee grinder or blender at high speed. You may need pruning shears to cut the bark small enough to grind properly. It needs to be completely broken down. The dust created is very fine and astringent to the respiratory tract. Unless you dig big cakey purple boogers, wear a mask.

2# Mix 15mL water and 1g lye per gram of bark in the mixing jar. For example: 50g bark would require 750mL water and 50g lye. One level tablespoon of lye weighs about 15g, though this can vary considerably, better to use a scale. Note that lye is dangerous. Blind you forever dangerous. Wear eye protection and have a bottle of vinegar handy as a neutralizer and for clean up. Add the lye to the water slowly stirring constantly until completely dissolved.

3# Add the powdered bark, cap and shake the jar and let the bark soak for awhile. An hour or so.

4# Now add 1mL naptha per gram of bark in the mixing jar and turn the jar end over end. Do not shake or splash or there will be a tendency for the solution to form an emulsion. Simply roll the naptha around in the bark solution. Do this for one minute and then let the jar stand until the naptha has pretty much separated to the top.
Repeat agitation three more times.

5# After the final agitation, separate the two layers. The naptha (top layer) goes in one of the collection jars, the rest stays in the mixing jar with the bark.

6# Put the collection jar in the freezer.

7# Repeat steps 4 to 6 three more times. Leave the last NP extraction in the jar for a day or two, agitating occasionally to pick up any strays.

7# Go to bed. You should have a collection of snow globes waiting for you in the morning.
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I followed this tek down to a T with 100g MHRB (Noman's Tek) except i used 750mL of water instead of 1500mL. I did 4 pulls using VM&P Naphtha. After the 4th pull i put the glass dish i used in the freezer for 6-7hrs. i took it out and let it sit and evap. for a day. I came home and it is still slightly moist, but there are no crystals/snow globes/etc.

what is wrong here?:( any suggestions would be greatly appreciated =D

edit:: there was a small amount of liquid left and i saw what i thought what a thin layer of crystals around the center of the dish. I put the dish by the air conditioner and an hour later it was like it disappeared and now it was clear?
 
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A. Your freezer likely isn't cold enough.
B. Did you use distilled water the whole time? Why not 1500mL?
C. Did you combine all 4 pulls into one dish to try and evap? The less naptha to evap the better.
D. It won't evaporate in certain conditions.
 
Yeah, freeze precipitation is kinda hit-or-miss, IME. Most likely your freezer isn't cold enough, but could be other things. You really should have used 15 ml of H2O for each gram of MHRB/NaOH. You can probably deviate slightly from the tried-and-true STB recipe, but only using 50% of the directed water isn't really a slight deviation. :\
 
only using 50% of the directed water isn't really a slight deviation.
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Why not. I've had succesful pulls when I've only used 5ml of H2O per gram of bark. In fact I'm doing so now.

What's more important is that you use enough lye. 1g/1g is good. If you don't use enough lye the DMT will not deprotonate and will not migrate into the naphtha.

Also, not all naphtha is suitable for freeze precipitation. If you want to precipitate you'll want light aliphatic naphtha. If in doubt, check the CAS number.
 
OOps :)

I've had disappointing results in the past as well, next time more lye is added for sures.
 
thanks guys, used more lye this time and definitely worked. I put the pulls in the freezer for 12hr, should i just let it evaporate or what? there is still like 75% of the naphtha in it.
I was going to let it evap down to like 25% and put it back in the freezer and then let it evaporate dwn. is this correct?
 
Yea I never measure mine either, 1 g per gram of bark is usually gonna be round 14 though
 
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