I tried a little "test" of 4-aco-dmt combined with MXP. I took 12mg of 4-aco-dmt (my normal dose is 30mg) at 2PM, and since the peak usually lasts about 5 hours I tried to time it so I'd have roughly an hour left at the peak when the MXP took effect. The 4-aco-dmt trip was pretty tame by my standards, as would be expected with such a low dose. Still felt pretty good and "at one" with the world, and some minor visual distortions but nothing groundbreaking.
At 4PM I took 150mg of MXP which is my normal dose. Up until about 5:30 I basically didn't feel the MXP at all (which is normal for me), but the 4-aco-dmt was still at the peak. Over the next half hour the MXP gradually took effect and created some pretty intense euphoria to the point where I was laughing with joy. The MXP seemed to smooth out all the "rough edges" of the tryptamine feeling while leaving all the good feelings. The visuals were pretty crazy at this point too. Everything was making huge ripples/waves like water to the point I was almost convinced I could just go swimming in it. Instead of leaving me in a "void" like MXP usually does I was much more alert and active. I had so many ideas of things to do (play piano, dance/move around, go outside, draw/paint something, etc) but it was hard to stay focused on any one thing. I kept getting stuck in thought loops as well, even repeating the same actions over and over (I knew it was happening but somehow couldn't stop). At one point in the trip I remember wondering if I was a malfunctioning android/robot of some kind or part of a computer simulation that was broken, and it seems silly now but I'm pretty sure I even repeated MALFUNCTION a few times...possibly influenced by the spacey sci-fi ambient music I had playing most of the trip. Again it seems pretty silly now but I really believed it at the time. It's hard to say when but at some point the trip became more of a normal MXP trip (probably because the 4-aco-dmt was wearing off as I had planned). More in a void of nothingness and tranquility which is more how MXP normally effects me, and as it wore off some deep introspection. In particular I made the decision to try to lose the 25-30lbs of fat I have picked up over the winter. It just seemed so ridiculous that I had even gained that weight in the first place just because "stuff tastes good". That was about a week ago and I've already lost 5lbs.
All in all it was a pretty crazy experience. I haven't had a trip quite that surprising and special in awhile, probably because I have become too familiar with tryptamines, phenylethylamines, and dissociatives by themselves over the last 15 years (probably at least 100 trips with each class of drugs). I've only combined "serious" psychedelics a couple times before (MDMA + shrooms) and usually would just combine them with weed and maybe some opiates/benzos for the comedown. I'm glad I started with such a low dose of 4-aco-dmt and spaced them so far apart. At a higher dose lasting for many hours I'm not sure what would have happened or what I would have done (I'm not someone who does daft/dangerous things or redoses even on heavy doses of psychedelics, but even so I could see it happening combined large doses of these 2 drugs). I don't think I've ever felt so "out of my mind" yet still been so conscious/active and able to remember so much about it, almost like someone else's memories had been put in my head or an alternate personality of some kind. I've had some serious high dose ketamine and dxm experiences where I was pretty sure I had died, ascended to another dimension, etc but in those cases I only actually remembered brief moments from those trips. This one it feels like I remember most of what happened. It's just hard to actually make sense of it and that it was me who experienced it.
~This WALL OF TEXT was not built by Mexicans.
bump wondering how this stuff can benefit a person?
I know there have been studies with ketamine that have shown it has some value as an anti-depressant and for helping people cope with chronic pain. However, most dissociatives seem to have some pretty serious physical side effects when used on a regular basis so in most cases I think the long term side effects would outweigh the benefits of using them therapeutically.
Like most "trips" there is the potential for insights you wouldn't have had otherwise, so from that perspective they can be beneficial when used occasionally. Dissociatives tend to destroy your ego at high doses which can offer a valuable/unique perspective on things that your ego normally wouldn't allow you to consider. They can also make some people do some pretty stupid/crazy things though, especially if you are the type of person who tends to redose in the middle of a trip (when your judgement is not great).
