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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 6th Dose (now you've gone and used it all up)

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Don't wanna sound like a smartass but seems you guys are doing higher doses then you can handle maybe? If you have to make an effort to have fun on a drug (or in some cases here, to stop yourself from actually freaking out o_O) then something's very wrong here. What's the point? Lower a dose, or take a break, or something.

And btw, the more I read about m-holing the more it smells like trouble tbh. ;p Seems it often ends up not very pleasant.

The way I see it, whatever you do on drugs is supposed to be fun by default.
(unless you're actually aiming for some introspective shit or whatever, but then you gotta be sure you can cope with it)
 
Today, I'll try one last dose to see if I can maintain a positive headspace throughout the trip...

I'll stop using for at least a week afterwards.
i think this would be the third day in a row for you?
just wait a few days. even waiting one day will help. you need a restful sleep at least.
 
always keep benzos handy if it gets too weird or bad. seems to bring the confused twisted-ness to rest and brings it back nicely into a wonky nice high
 
I had a bad experience with MXE that might be relevant to some of you. I got a call about my dad (never answer the phone tripping, rarely a good idea). I was on a high dose and a friend of my dad's called wondering where he'd been. He's had very bad circulation troubles and his leg had started just rotting in a spot in the past and had been getting worse recently. He was also going through an opi addiction. So I called his place and his roommate said that he was bedridden and partially delirious. I took this as a sign that he was dying, and after getting my dad's friend his apartment number I cried my eyes out and mourned for my dad who I was convinced was dying. The next day I had learned that he wasn't doing great, but he wasn't exactly at death's door either. Huh, I thought. Well, that was a crazy night, whatever. So I did some more mxe that day and found myself absolutely depressed, but manically depressed. No euphoria. Nothing. This continued through the day. Throughout the week I kept taking mxe, and I was just depressed even while on high doses. I thought I lost the magic or something. Then suddenly, out of nowhere as I was bashing my head against a wall figuratively trying to get my favorite high back, it worked. It was just like it used to be.

What I'm saying is, if you suddenly find MXE just doesn't seem to be doing it anymore for you, especially after a horrid trip, give it some time and come back. The magic is still there, you just need to get your mind right again. Or just keep dosing like I did like an idiot, it'll might come back anyways, though I have to tell you that week was a hell and repeated redosing just made me go deeper into that awful depression.
 
absolutely fucking beautiful positive productive afterglow today from this, dose must have been near 100mg last night with valium, went a bit crazy at one point didnt have a clue what was going on, swear the thoughts in my head became audible or something full blown tripping, it was weird but valium always kills my anxiety and the ability to give a shit, and mxe likewise kills anxiety, so it was just a nice comfortable insanity, then holed out for a bit, managed to get myself in bed and conked out, woke up feeling groggy from the valum and a cold illness. but once i was up and about i felt very in tune, kinda manic and speedy yet in a positive natrual clear headed way. excellent stuff. become such a different animal at higher doses. keep hydrated and in a safe enviroment with music and this stuff is golden. always useful to keep somebody around though
 
Go Back and Listen To MXE's Voicemail Through Introspection

I had a bad experience with MXE that might be relevant to some of you. I got a call about my dad (never answer the phone tripping, rarely a good idea). I was on a high dose and a friend of my dad's called wondering where he'd been. He's had very bad circulation troubles and his leg had started just rotting in a spot in the past and had been getting worse recently. He was also going through an opi addiction. So I called his place and his roommate said that he was bedridden and partially delirious. I took this as a sign that he was dying, and after getting my dad's friend his apartment number I cried my eyes out and mourned for my dad who I was convinced was dying. The next day I had learned that he wasn't doing great, but he wasn't exactly at death's door either. Huh, I thought. Well, that was a crazy night, whatever. So I did some more mxe that day and found myself absolutely depressed, but manically depressed. No euphoria. Nothing. This continued through the day. Throughout the week I kept taking mxe, and I was just depressed even while on high doses. I thought I lost the magic or something. Then suddenly, out of nowhere as I was bashing my head against a wall figuratively trying to get my favorite high back, it worked. It was just like it used to be.

What I'm saying is, if you suddenly find MXE just doesn't seem to be doing it anymore for you, especially after a horrid trip, give it some time and come back. The magic is still there, you just need to get your mind right again. Or just keep dosing like I did like an idiot, it'll might come back anyways, though I have to tell you that week was a hell and repeated redosing just made me go deeper into that awful depression.

hi Brother or Sister,

I'm empathetic with your familial situation as you described it, so please understand that I don't mean the following in disrespectful manner.... But it appears to me that you have deleted MXE's voicemail.

Here is a quote from Alan Watts, one that I am finding has as much import for MXE research as it does for the "classics" that he encountered.

If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen.

Alan Watts

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Alan_Watts

If you'll allow me to offer an observation, I think you had a deep and potentially life-changing experience while on the first session of MXE. This might be the opportunity to integrate your experience, collect your thoughts, become completely sober for a period of time (you'll know how long that needs to be) and then finally connect with your Father in a way you haven't before. Please consider discussing your newly-found context/frame with your family such that you can build on the experience to effect positive change in your relationship and explore deeper interactions that might have previously been hidden.

I apologize for going all personal with you, but a quote that I believe can be ascribed to A. Shulgin (Alexander or Ann, I don't know) might be also relevant:

There are no casual experiments

A Shulgin

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin

MXE is powerful material that demands respect; you simply weren't ready to go at it again.

I am increasingly coming to believe that MXE is NOT recreational. But it is a powerful vehicle for personal evolution.

STP, r
 
That's one of my favourite Alan Watts quotes reformer, nice one. It's very true, and something I wish I'd have always stuck to myself from day one :)

With psychedelics and dissociatives (and empathogens too!) you often need quite some time to be able to integrate your experiences - tripping again before you can do that just gets messy in my experience.
 
The advice about taking a day's break was well worth it.

Nothing but positive effects today.

However, now's the time for another break.

@reformer: your Alan Watts' quotation rings true. I don't want to mess up anything positive I took away from these experiences. So I'm gonna let them stew in my subconscious for a while before trying MXE again.
 
hi Brother or Sister,
-snip-
I appreciate the concern. This monologue might be better put in another thread, but I'll try to keep it concise. The truth is it's been a long and hard couple of years for me. I've been, until recently, been downright abusive of psychedelics and dissociatives, and have recently recognized my borderline addiction to MXE. I've had many a spiritual revelation since I've started using MXE, and the general improvement in quality of life and happiness is undeniable. My state of mind has stabilized for the first time since I was about 14, and in a downright positive way. I went into psychedelics with the wrong state of mind: I expected to take them and just have my life change. I realize now that that was a false expectation, but for a while I found myself disillusioned and doing it for purely hedonistic purposes, and for that psychedelics and dissociatives hit me in all the right spots. During that time though, I learned a lot about myself and how psychedelics and dissociatives affect me. Then I extracted DMT, and saw a glimpse of something else, something profound. I didn't realize what it was that I saw until the last few months, when I discovered that I'd been ignoring a vital need of my psyche--spirituality. MXE provided a much needed spiritual release for me, as well as hitting all the right receptors in my brain--I've never found a more satisfying high or trip. Later AMT use helped me understand my need for spirituality and helped me discover more spiritual releases aside from MXE. It also helped me understand why I found MXE so appealing, and then later helped me understand that I'd been abusing it. I've had a complicated relationship with MXE, but I can't deny that it's just the perfect high for me, nor can I deny that I've been abusing it. So I've made attempts at limiting my use and have had a good amount of success. I was afraid that I'd be unable to do it, since I hadn't felt the need to limit my use in the past at all. And if I couldn't control myself at all I'd need to just give it up and never order more, MXE has been great to me but an uncontrollable addiction is something that can destroy a life. Luckily my success--though minor--has given me hope that I can enjoy it responsibly and I've learned a few techniques to limit my use. Measuring my doses for a night beforehand and putting everything else away has done wonders for limiting my redosing, and keeping all my dosing equipment just out of reach from my desk and out of sight has made it so I have to make a conscious decision to dose. I found myself considering dosing first thing one morning right after dosing the night before, and thought "no, I don't think I want to" and that was the end of that, my mind only wandered to the possibility a couple of times through the day and I had no problem telling myself no. And I repeated that a few times. Self control that I was afraid I didn't have, it felt good.

My relationship with my father isn't exactly close, but I'm on good terms with him. What happened that trip was a sort of mental trauma, not a revelation or message. I was absolutely convinced I'd lost my dad and I started mourning him. I learned the next day he was fine, but what had happened during the trip hit me deep. Afterwords I understood that I had jumpstarted a false mourning, it was remarkably similar feeling to how I remember feeling for months after my grandfather died, even though at the time I was far too young to understand what I felt and why I felt it. Revelations are largely positive for me, I suppose some revelations can be traumatic, and traumatic experience on drugs should be treated with sobriety IMO. Dosing MXE after that was a bad decision and I'm lucky it turned out well. I just wanted those that have had traumatic experiences on MXE should know that it's possible to enjoy MXE again with time.

And in regards to that quote, there is a certain wisdom in there. The fact is that I enjoy listening to the phone. And there is definitely not just one message to receive. When I do get a significant message it does take time to understand, but sobriety alone has left me constantly questioning what had happened. Taking a psychedelic shortly after a psychedelic revelation won't help either and usually leads to an uncomfortable or hard to enjoy trip and only muddle my ability to understand the revelation later. Dissociatives are an entirely different beast, the revelations are fewer and farther between and taking a dissociative after a revelation (psychedelic or dissociative) doesn't seem to lead to bad trips or muddle the revelation. For me I need a week or 2 (dissociative or psychedelic) to let it sink in. Using dissociatives during this time seems fine, using psychedelics is generally a bad idea. Then a good psychedelic (Most tryptamines I've tried do the trick) will allow me to get in a mindstate where I can really get down to the nitty gritty of what happened and understand it and understand how to apply it practically...I didn't really manage to make that very concise, did I?
 
Scunch that certainly wasn't concise but it was easy to read and I find the overall tone of your post uplifting.
 
High as a kite, browsing facebook, 'seeing' my social life's track (past, present, potential futures) as if from above, and feeling a lot of empathy for a shitload of people.
Blissful, floaty feeling, and mostly a realisation that everyone has their own paths, everyone has their own minds and insecurities, and that soooo much of the stuff that used to weigh me down doesn't matter in the slightest... we're no better than children really. It's a nice, warm, empathetic feeling of connectedness and, paradoxically, detachment.
How was I ever anxious? How was I ever nervous? How is awkwardness even possible? Everything is fine.
This is absolutely wonderful. Best time I've had on MXE. It's like lying down in a warm bathtub, shutting my eyes, and just floating.

Euphoria doesn't begin to describe it. I don't think I've ever felt this human. This warm. It's motherfucking lovely.
 
"Lovely" is certainly the best word to describe MXE in my experience - the nicer side of it anyway. :)

Just be careful as always, as this one's quite alluring, and I have a feeling this is more addictive than Ketamine - which in itself is very psychologically addictive, until you get your mind off it completely by doing other things.

On a rather interesting note, maybe it's the stimulant effects - but this substance makes me awesome at strategy games. I just started playing one of the Magic: The Gathering PC games, normally even the CPU on easy can beat me without trouble, but I played against 3 other players (2 very good, 1 new like me) several times on MXE and won against them all each time. I also just got back into Rome: Total War, won all the 3 games I played tonight with no difficulty, despite struggling against easy CPU sober.. :D (Note to self: This is not an excuse to get back into poker.)
 
Hearing about the painkilling qualities I want to just try this tonight but took 3-fmc around 70mgs nasallybetween 4am-5am can I dose like 10mgs of MXE later this evening or is this a bad idea?
 
A word of warning:

Last night, I mixed MXE with a few bowls of AM-2201. It gave me the most intense euphoria I've ever experienced - like an intense and hitherto unknown type of orgasm that I could actually feel in my spinal cord. It ran all the way up to my brain stem and diffused throughout my brain. The pleasure was so intense as to be almost unbearable.
I've never experienced anything like it. This lasted for a few hours.

HOWEVER...

I soon developed a panic attack. I've never had a panic attack before, but it fit the description to a tee.
My heart was thumping against my chest with the force of a 500-ton locomotive. The tachycardia - as I perceived it at the time - was frightening, and convinced me that I was having serious heart problems. Perhaps even a heart attack. I was afraid I was going to die, and proceeded to lie down on my bed to try and calm myself down, whilst simultaneously making peace with my imminent death. All the same, I was more worried about the person who was going to discover my corpse than I was about my own health! I actually felt bad for that person, and it was the major reason I wished not to die: "Imagine if someone finds me dead like this! How embarrassing!"

As far as panic attacks go, however, this was a strange one, since the feeling of overwhelming bliss never actually stopped. So I was having a panic attack while at the same time having the time of my life. :/

Anyway, after a few minutes, I realised I was simply having a panic attack, so I decided to put on some music and focus on that instead of my heartbeat. For the next hour, I listened to some jazz (Cinematic Orchestra). I've never enjoyed music so much.
It was as if I could actually change the music as I was hearing it.

I was planning on taking a break from MXE anyway, but that little trip drove in the fact that MXE is not something to be messed around with on a daily basis.

NB: dosages (as I can remember them) are as follows:
2pm - 20mg
6pm - 19mg
11pm-12am - 23mg

With a few bowls of AM-2201 between 6pm and 12am.


Edit: during the intense bliss I described, I felt as though my neuroreceptors were gorged full... of what, I don't know. Neurotransmitters like dopamine?
It's a very specific feeling that I can't describe any better, unfortunately.

I do hope I haven't caused any lasting brain damage. The kind of pleasure I experienced seemed too overwhelming to be healthy. Analogy: like staring into the sun, or looking straight into the face of God (not that I believe in the latter).
 
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Sounds more like the AM-2201 to me. Cannabinoids are known to cause panic attacks very often, probably the most reported negative side effect other than anxiety/paranoia (though it falls under anxiety). Particularly with one this potent, if you weren't measuring with a microgram scale it's very likely you overdid it. Your experience sounds exactly like a cannabinoid "overdose" to me, in every way. The same can even happen with weed itself, but it's a lot less likely due to THC being less potent, unless your tolerance is extremely low.

As for you saying MXE shouldn't be used on a daily basis, that's a given though. Tolerance to dissociatives sneaks up on you and takes an extremely long time to go down, plus we don't really know how safe this is - and if it's an irritant like Ketamine, your bladder and kidneys will suffer in the long run.
 
AM-2201 for sure.

Solo AM was able to cause a tachycardia (or a panic attack, I don't know back then...) to me. All I could do was lying down on my bed, eyes closed (or I would get instant nausea), not moving (or instant nausea), just waiting without any thoughts for the situation to end (...or nausea. Yeah, I was getting nausea once I started making any thoughts on AM, lol).
 
Glad the music tip worked for you oxmo.

I've found MXE to make me more attuned to (certain) music than even MDMA. Although I usually have the opposite experience you did - instead of being able to change the music, I have the sensation that the music playing physically changes my body warping it to fit the sound. (ISAM turned me into a spaceship for a little while.)

The panic attack was probably the fault of the AM-2201.
 
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