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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)

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nearly a week without from months of daily dosing average of 500mg - 1g a day.

zero withdrawals so far. zero craving other then "mm ye. a line be nice" once or twice and then thought gone, far less then the passing urge for a joint would be. but i know i have it waiting for me when i get home from holiday and the first thing (ok second...no first) will be a line, followed by tea. ...(i might be a drama queen there. i will get someone to make tea while i have a line. ...) :p
 
oh my, think I have starting to develop a problem with this substance :D Gone through a gram in 3 days (albeit with the help of two friends) but I reckon I've done 600-700mg myself. I stopped at lunch time today and thought to myself, no more until Friday. I woke up at 7pm, ate some food and just done another key about 30 mins ago, oops. Feeling very euphoric. I'm wondering, is it the u-opoid or DRI effects or a combo of both that cause the lovely euphoria? Bath time and then cosy in bed I think! "No more until Friday"
 
suckerbunnie said:
How could you possibly still be sane after that kind of use/abuse?8o That's just ridiculous!8)
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Tolerance. I could easily do 500mg a day (spread out) if I wanted to. But there's no point when I get great antidepressive effects (minus much dissociation) from much lower doses.

I'd probably have to do 400mg at once to get a really dissociative experience that some people would call an "M hole". But what's the point, and it's too expensive to be doing that anyway.
 
i had a really good experience on about 70 mgs the other day (in three doses over 3 or 4 hours) ... it was the day after an extended 4-aco-dmt trip and i felt like the mxe experience solidified some of the insight from the night before and the experience actually brought about some tangible benefits in my behavior for once.

so i see more now the benefit and allure of higher dosages...but dear god, the tolerance issue makes me hesitant to push the dosage again! pretty happy with my continued ability to get a moderate experience out of 20-30 mg. i bet my kidney is happy about that too.
 
Regarding tolerance: I’m surprised that 50 mg still feels roughly the same as when I started. That’s not totally true; sometimes it’ll feel weaker than the day before, but then the next day it feels the same again, so the variance in intensity can’t owe to normal physiological tolerance. The most I’ve ever used MXE was maybe four or five nights per week for two weeks at an average of 100 mg rectal in two or three doses over a night. I have not found this frequency and dosage to be enough to produce noticeable tolerance, though YMMV. Using ketamine similarly was enough to produce noticeable tolerance that has lasted well over a year despite only using it in moderate doses maybe once every two months or so since tapering off my use. I suppose that ketamine tolerance could owe to cross tolerance from MXE during the intervening period, though that would be odd as it would mean MXE has stronger tolerance causing effects crossing over to ketamine than it does on itself. I don’t think it’s supposed to work that way.

I’m curious what kind of rough average maximum dosing and frequency regimen the average person might use and still avoid developing tolerance. I doubt we’ll ever have too good an idea, since it sounds like most people are either dabblers who never develop much tolerance or hardcore users who shoot way past wherever the line is.
 
I've also gone a couple weeks to a month using daily or near daily. Once I found that perfect dose for me I didn't stray from it much, it's 100mg BTW.
I still get great effects from 30mg doses too.
So the tolerance building aspect of this stuff is different than ketamines.

On the other hand I use ketamine with the intention of k-holing, so I do it in pretty high doses. With MXE I don't use to m-hole. That requires probably 300mg or more for myself. I use 100mg doses of MXE recreationally and socially. But I wonder if I was using with the intention of holing and using obscene doses everyday if tolerance would do a similar thing as ketamine, especially as familiarity with the mind state increases.

BTW MXE is plenty capable of producing a hole state. I've experienced this once when using a large unknown amount. I got in some loop where I decided I wanted more and took a bump, then shortly after I wanted more but didnt remember taking the previous bump. Then took another not remembering how long it's been since the last or if I had even taken it. I don't know how many bumps I took but I knew to stop taking them when I realized for a second that I was slipping I to a hole.
The trip was every bit as deep and cosmic as a K-hole.
 
Delsyd said:
I've also gone a couple weeks to a month using daily or near daily. Once I found that perfect dose for me I didn't stray from it much, it's 100mg BTW.
I still get great effects from 30mg doses too.
So the tolerance building aspect of this stuff is different than ketamines.

On the other hand I use ketamine with the intention of k-holing, so I do it in pretty high doses. With MXE I don't use to m-hole. That requires probably 300mg or more for myself. I use 100mg doses of MXE recreationally and socially. But I wonder if I was using with the intention of holing and using obscene doses everyday if tolerance would do a similar thing as ketamine, especially as familiarity with the mind state increases.

BTW MXE is plenty capable of producing a hole state. I've experienced this once when using a large unknown amount. I got in some loop where I decided I wanted more and took a bump, then shortly after I wanted more but didnt remember taking the previous bump. Then took another not remembering how long it's been since the last or if I had even taken it. I don't know how many bumps I took but I knew to stop taking them when I realized for a second that I was slipping I to a hole.
The trip was every bit as deep and cosmic as a K-hole.
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That sounds similar to my usage levels of MXE. That's good confirmatory info, thanks. Yeah, the ketamine usage I was talking about personally was as low as 100 mg IM in two doses four or five nights out of a week. I wasn't using it to K-hole (I've never been able to use ketamine for that, even at 225 mg IM with no tolerance, and every dose in between), just for pleasant dissociative trippiness with cannabis. I've always had to combine ketamine with 5HT psychedelics to get to a k-hole-like state. In any case, I guess ketamine is just more partial to building tolerance than MXE.
 
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suckerbunnie said:
How could you possibly still be sane after that kind of use/abuse?8o That's just ridiculous!8)
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surprisingly. people around me say im still sane (i know not to trust your own judgement on these things).

tolerance :( i would prob end getting close to a M hole after a 1G intra nasally

My dosing quickly went up to this level and I have less of an effect then people taking 25-35 mg on their first go. two friends who tried it were completely "in another world" on those doses for their first (and only) times. I have never managed to get that mashed on it.

I dont know if i have some natural ubber-tollerance?

I have also noticed that the "OMG YOU TAKE HOW MUCH???????" replies when i state my dosage here has changed from people who would say that at taking 100mg a month or so ago..and now im reading more and more up to the 500mg range in comments and more and more people taking closer to my range. more and more people are taking higher and higher doses for whatever reason. The changing use of this drug has kinda kept my interest in the threads (its in the name now "you took too much") lol :P

the danger will come when someone without a tolerance takes it with someone who does and ends up massively overdosing. i suspect.


back in the day i used to be able to take stupidly high doses of LSD and function fine, maintain appropriate conversation, make tea, act normal in doses 3x what friends would take and end up dribbling on the floor for 8hrs (im not boasting, im ashamed of that drug pig-ness but it may explain my appetite) and have taken psychadelics for about 19years. as trends come and go. maybe i have jsut cooked my brain to a level that stops chemicals from working!!!


*edit: (to add to this post) i would NEVER take that 500mg- 1g in ONE DOSE. that would be insane. 100mg seems to hit the spot up to 150 mg intra nasaly spread over the evening and last thing in bed. divided doses of maybe 1hr between ....this is managable, anymore and im too wasted, any less doesnt really hit me. socially a single dose of 50mg -100mg is lovely for the chatty bounce, anymore more and too wasted. t
 
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the danger will come when someone without a tolerance takes it with someone who does and ends up massively overdosing. i suspect.
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Precisely. Nice post. Over the years, reading drug forums, I've come across many posts by people who are clearly highly tolerant naming ludicrous doses for a variety of substances and carrying on with their stories as if they're normal (and without a hint of self awareness). Tolerant people should not even mention their dosages without clear qualification regarding their past use and additional comment on normal dosage ranges because a careless report of their doses contains information that is at best ambiguous and at worst deadly. What gets a tolerant person high can vary from 2 times to 10 times (more or less) the normal dose of a person who is new to drugs or who uses in moderation. It's also obvious from certain alarming comments that many newcomers consider whatever dosage info they stumble across in random forums to be a sufficient dosing guide for themselves and their wholly ignorant friends.
 
I havn't found to much information about dosing MXE I.M., Erowid tells me that you can. If I were to do such a thing should I mix it up the same way as I would do with a shot of heroin? (put in spoon, add water, run it through a cigarette filter...)
How much cc of water per powder ratio?... I have maybe 10mg left, hardly anything to snort. IM on the other hand..
any advice?
 
You will probably be able to dissolve that amount of mxe with less than 0.5ml of water.
Somewhat related info: I know someone who IV'ed around 30mg. It was reported to be very dissociating and very intense.
 
suckerbunnie said:
How could you possibly still be sane after that kind of use/abuse?8o That's just ridiculous!8)
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In the beginning of june I got my first taste of mxe... ordered 3 grams... lasted me 3 weeks.... at first I was having a great trips at 40-50mg... in the last 2 months I've gone thru 43grams... now a mild dose is like 250mg and ill do that every 3-4 hours all day... at work, at school, at play...

I quit a week ago tho... wanna get my tolerance down so I don't need to use so much... no withdrawals or depression or feeling sick or anything... only the mildest craving... sorta like "hey it would be fun if I did some mxe right now" but then I think "yea but I am trying to get my tolerance down so I guess I'll wait a week or so"...
 
Chemically Insane said:
I quit a week ago tho... wanna get my tolerance down so I don't need to use so much... no withdrawals or depression or feeling sick or anything... only the mildest craving... sorta like "hey it would be fun if I did some mxe right now" but then I think "yea but I am trying to get my tolerance down so I guess I'll wait a week or so"...
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That's pretty much how it was for me stopping daily use. No WD's, just a yearning to kill boredom.
 
i have been deeply in love with dxm for years. and i always had to quit taking it for a good while to get the magic back. but after daily use for a few months and sometimes fairly high doses i ended this relationship.

i allways wanted to take ketamine but never didnt because either i wasnt able to get it or i didnt take it when offered to me, because of some mental health problems.

a few months ago i read about mxe and the description sounded almost perfect.
a dissoziative with relative high mu affinity (i also love opioids/opiates).

so about a month ago i ordered mxe from one of the five official vendors.
and after reading almost anything i could find about this compound i finally took some yesterday.

two hours after taking 1 mg as an allergy test (i know... kinda useless without waiting longer and taking a second allergy test dose) i took 12 mg sublingual and about 30 minutes later i began to feel something.
i was a little euphoric because it felt like that would go in a good direction (before dosing i was a little scared or nervous that it could be unpleasent).

half an hour later i began to feel slightly stimulated and took another 12 mg.
20 to 30 minutes from taking that dose very very mild dissoziative effects set in.

i was chatting online which was a fun thing to do.

there was an unpleasent tension in my neck area and i had mild headaches for a while. (read that before from other people.)

except from the initial euphory my mood was not that much lifted and i felt no opioid effects at all. (maybe because i have a opioid tolerance or ..i dont know...read that other people also question the high mu affinity)

one hour later i took another 5 mg which had no significant effect.

i switched out the light layed down and heard some music to see what that would give me.
on dxm even on moderate doses i would drift into other spheres.
but my right eyelid was twitching and i was a little restless and hungry. :D

food tasted like it would on dxm (didnt had vanilla soft pudding yesterday but on dxm its so yummy...anyone ever ate soft pudding on dissoziaties...awesome ;) ).

then after realizing that this wouldnt go any deeper and i was restless instead of beeing relaxed as expected i took 2mg lorazepam.
i watched a few episodes californication and must have fallen asleep very apruptly.
or i just dont remember that i was getting tired.

when i woke up i was in a real good mood.
the whole day i was really motivated and settled a few important things.
i still feel good twelve hours after i got up today.

all in all i am most impressed with the afterglow.
i expected maybe too much from the main experience and next time i will take 25-30 mg initial.
the most annoying thing was the tension in my neck and that i was so restless on the comedown.


zirbeldude
 
Chemically Insane said:
I quit a week ago tho... wanna get my tolerance down so I don't need to use so much... no withdrawals or depression or feeling sick or anything... only the mildest craving... sorta like "hey it would be fun if I did some mxe right now" but then I think "yea but I am trying to get my tolerance down so I guess I'll wait a week or so"...
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...am finding exactly the same "mm, this would be more fun on minx (MXE)" but then my brain goes "oh look shinny thing" and i forget about it. hardly any noticable craving. i probably crave tea more often in a day. cannabis far more. will be dosing tomorrow when home from holiday, am curious to see if tolerance has changed in 8...will be 9th day. ...

(i like this too much, and it hasnt taken over my life in the way a problem addiciton would..so i would still argue im not addicted...i just enjoy it. i used to have a BIG cocaine habit for many years that compelty ruined my life, 24/7 cocaine. consuming every part of life and loosing work, sanity and many relationships. and almost my life on too many occasions...MXE use has not in anyway spread into messing up day to day activities in that way.. i feel no need to get up and take it, it isnt inbetween my social life, or anything. am able to manage it albeit at a higher dose then initially. my pattern of use has not changed in anyway. a few lines at the end of the day spread over evening, and a last dose in bed with music and headphones. i would compare it to cannabis although it blatently isnt as safe, in any sense, but it feels much the same in the pattern of use)
 
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