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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)

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I find it extremely disappointing how little self-control most drug users have. This thread is perfect proof.

I won't say I am perfect, but people using this stuff daily are just asking for trouble.

Combining with alcohol is a huge mistake as well. We don't know what potential toxic interactions there could be between NMDA antagonism and the things alcohol does (particularly with GABA). Don't make yourself the example.

Please do not be stupid with this chemical. There are people smart enough to find this board, and read/post in this thread. You are that smart, now don't revert all you accomplished and be fucking stupid and combine MXE with alcohol, or do MXE every day.
Disappointed? Are you really that naive? It was to be expected is all I can say. Without trying to show respect for that sort of behaviour, I think someone experienced with drug abuse (not necessarily through your own experience, but through observing your surroundings) should be able to show a little more understanding towards what is happening. These NMDA antagonists of abuse (and some newly developed more selective substances with less potential for abuse) are powerful antidepressants. For someone who might've been caught up in or developing a depression throughout the years, constantly seeking help through substances by self medicating (consciously or not), probably even having been through psychiatric treatment, someone with such a history for example who now finds out about the enormous antidepressant potential of this drug can hardly be blamed for lacking scepticism towards it. This becomes even more apparent when you look at said substance's potential to induce manic behaviour and delusions.

I strongly advise against practicing a pattern of use like the one you describe or any regular usage of such substance at all, before we know more about long term effects. In fact I've done so many times over in this thread. The behaviour can only be called reckless and naive, but to demonstrate such a lack of understanding as you just did and even end up finishing your brief tirade with a straight up insult to these people's intelligence (isn't there even an inverse relation of substance use disorder and intelligence?)... Well that sort of thing is much more "disappointing" to me, seeing it come from someone who has 630 posts on these boards and who should therefore be experienced and educated about their effects on the mind, on behaviour and their power to draw a user in. I advise you to practice some understanding, respect your fellow bluelighters (not just them ofc) and then you might have a chance to pass some knowledge to them. Insulting them will not increase their chances of listening to you and change their behaviour accordingly, the opposite is the case. In this case I will claim you do understand this principle of human nature (opposed to being disappointed again) and have to assume that the actual health of these people is not your biggest concern.

Aside from that, there are plenty of people here combining alcohol with heroin, benzos, barbs, whatever other downer. Some throw some stims in the mix as well and might even IV the whole chemtail into their veins, 24-7 that is. See if you can start educating those about their "stupidity" and "lack of self control" as well because to be quite frank, the acute health hazards of alcohol and mxe seem to be much smaller, without wanting to promote that combination!!

I'm just saying: I agree to what you are saying about potential dangers and advising against high frequent use, but your presentation isn't really the type that will attract listeners to gather around you, from all I've seen anyway. Maybe it helps looking at how people react when they find out about your substance use and what sort of feelings and reactions it sparked in you.
 
Dan, you seem to be doing MXE more and more, just like I warned you. You are going to ruin this beautiful chemical for yourself as your tolerance will skyrocket, as mine did. MXE has lost its magic for me :(

its ok mate i only do it once a week at the most. but i do post about it a lot which probably makes it seem like i do it very often. my tolerance has gone up a bit, but not much. will be leaving it alone for awhile after my last experience. gonna give K a try this weekend =D
 
Btw there's a ketamine faq somewhere on this site and it recommends to keep a calendar about your ketamine use because you might perceive it as occuring much less frequent as it actually is. I never took the advice, but when my first stash (10g) was gone, I remembered that faq. My use (gram/week) had on average been about 3.5 higher I thought. I'm not at all suggesting what you say isn't the truth though, I just remember feeling the exact same way about k. Now when pcp came my way I had a clearer understanding I was doing it daily with no exceptions. ;) I often forget doing ket or mxe the next day, not as in I won't remember upon being asked or otherwise reminded, but it's not as present as use of most other drugs. Maybe because it has a profound effect on memory, maybe because I actually feel more sober/clearheaded than when not under those after effects.
 
Gotta pay respect to this compound, even though it sometimes seems that it has no edges what so ever

..."Has no edges whatsoever"? I hope you don't seriously think this? MXE is one of the more powerful and lingering drugs I've tried. Even if you don't feel the after effects to the degree I do, I guarantee they are still there to some degree. The "robotic" feel takes me around 48 hours to completely shake, if not slightly longer, and there are still other effects that go on longer.
 
sometimes it seems that way. You are right, this is a very powerfull compound.

How did it work out with the 15 mg. and MJ, if I may ask ? :)
 
Sooner or later some people will die and it will be just another illegal drug. This is why it is disappointing. Drug users will always keep drugs illegal because they give politicians reasons to make them illegal.

If people were smarter about their drug use, drug users wouldn't die so often. This is why it is disappointing.
 
Pharmaceutical grade ketamine has been available if you know where to look and has a pretty relaxed legal status in most countries which I don't see changing anytime soon. It should be a valid alternative to you, if you're concerned about legal issues, depending on where you live and how easily accessible it is to you. I can see the downsides of having to come in touch with the local scene for that, also it might be more expensive. I'm not sure if "people dying" is the direct cause for a drug's changing legal status. Many people have died off legal drugs, many more in fact than those that have died of illegal drugs.

Disappointment requires an expectation not to be met. If you just realized that people overdose and mix drugs or die in consequence of their actions under the influence of a drug, then "Welcome to the world!"

I have seen two very smart people die of their drug use because of the power the drugs they used seemed to have over their choices. The same two people had been severely struggling with their life and drug use. Hearing someone talk about dead friends like that sparks a reaction and as much as I hate to get down to arguing on a level like this, I'd hope for you to show some empathy towards why people make these mistakes.

Something in the way you're blaming these people sounds like you're afraid of someone spoiling your access to a substance you thoroughly enjoy by dying. I might be overinterpretating, but otherwis I can only hope that time will change your views on this subject.
 
i know this is a silly question but im a bit of a nooby to this compound. when taken orally, u are supposed to let it sit under ur tongue like acid correct? when its under ur tongue do u just let it sit there? how long do u let it sit? are u actually supposed to swallow it at some point? these logistics always confused me, especially when in relation to 'gummying' cocaine --- i hear its extremely bad for u to swallow it in comparison to insufflating.
 
i know this is a silly question but im a bit of a nooby to this compound. when taken orally, u are supposed to let it sit under ur tongue like acid correct? when its under ur tongue do u just let it sit there? how long do u let it sit? are u actually supposed to swallow it at some point? these logistics always confused me, especially when in relation to 'gummying' cocaine --- i hear its extremely bad for u to swallow it in comparison to insufflating.

Holding under your tongue is technically called "sublingual" while rubbing on the gums and cheek is "buccal". Swallowing a pill or liquid is "oral" or "enteral".

According to most consensus on this thread, oral is roughly equipotent with sublingual, with perhaps a slightly different effect/time profile.

I've had perfect success just swallowing 30mg capsule of MXE. Onset within 30 minutes.

Sublingual administration also takes about 30 minutes for onset, but the "pregame show" is the fun numbness that it causes. If I am administering sublingually, I will swish it around my mouth for about 5 minutes, until my whole tongue is numb, then swallow.

I have not yet tried insufflated administration with this drug.
 
According to most consensus on this thread, oral is roughly equipotent with sublingual, with perhaps a slightly different effect/time profile.

I've had perfect success just swallowing 30mg capsule of MXE. Onset within 30 minutes.

Sublingual administration also takes about 30 minutes for onset, but the "pregame show" is the fun numbness that it causes.

In my experience, sub/buccal, is much different than oral. Much faster hitting, and better high in my opinion. Also sub/buccal in my experimenting was much better than snorted, for the same reasons. If I take it sublingually, leaving it under my tongue until there is no taste left, if takes about 10mins for me to feel the effects. Obviously the effects build for about 45mins-1hour. Everyone is different though.
 
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