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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 4th Dose (don't overdose)

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Careful with that, dissociative users sometimes start to recognise patterns that no-one else does, and put reality together in a very egocentric and idiosyncratic way, and it's not healthy.
 
Thanks for the concern :) Like I said though, everything was just oh so positive. I figured that I was just taking notice of things that didn't catch my attention in the past. I could never honestly believe something like "Being on MXE changes the way the world works" or something that far out there. It has allowed me to be way more motivated than I previously was. It has been 5 days since my last dose and the afterglow is still going strong. 0 anxiety
 
homeydontplaythat said:
hey, just because i dont have a scale doesnt mean putting something into a solvent is any less accurate....probably more really. so this leads to my next question:

how is mxe's solubility. its water-soluble, right/.

i would want to dissolve 500mg into 5ml....think it will go?
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it was hard to get 1 gram into 20ml of 40% vodka but i did it with some heat and a lot of stirring.
 
Vader said:
Careful with that, dissociative users sometimes start to recognise patterns that no-one else does, and put reality together in a very egocentric and idiosyncratic way, and it's not healthy.
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When I went through my first half a gram, every experience was different and it felt like chapters of a book based around me. I felt as if I were at the center of everything, which I guess could have not been healthy but luckily it didnt alter my personality in any negative way in the long term.
 
right now i just did small key bumps....very small. i feel nice. i am thinking of getting syringes so i can get the doses accurate......but then i would be tempted to take the IV route which i am familiar with. not sure what to do. i think ill just keep key bumping......
 
I would definitely say unless you have a way of being absolutely positive the amount you received and placed in liquid solution actually WAS the amount it was supposed to be, do NOT IV it, if you absolutely must use this ROA, until you have a scale. Please.
A few milligrams can be a pivotal amount with this ROA. The difference between 7 and 10 is very noticeable to me. So please, for your safety and my conscience, wait for a scale to do this.
 
Is your plan to make a low-dose patch to treat depression? Sounds interesting if so, let us know how it goes.
 
My plan is to find a effective long lasting ROA comparable to IM without the sore muscles and bruising. Me being a IM user all day and seeing down sides to it i want to find a better ROA for depression, anxiety, mindset, etc. seeing as how this affects people differently.
Thanks beardface for the Idea of DMSO... Im assuming the gel would take longer to absorb? If anyone else has any ideas for making transdermal Patches of this please chime in... I will try to do more research on it but life has become very busy. And im not the brightest bulb. Any help will be greatly appreciated

To anyone wondering about my roommates UA for body functions, 2 weeks after all day use everything is back to normal... Supposedly

As for the IM trip report.. My order was delivered thurs and I have not gotten around to it with work, family, Etc. I will try to set some time aside to do one soon.
 
i eye balled SL, IN, and IV. such a strange drug. my body feels nice but i am kinda confusued. my mind is sharp enought to drive and talk without slurring but i just feel "out of it" but not having CEV or anything.

the antidepressant efffect is WAY bettter than ketamine though. ime. its weird. last night i was up longer than usual and i thought it was the dopamine effect. now i need a redbull.


it seems there are stages, like the ketamine feeling like you cant walk straight but actually you CAN walk straight. then a noticeable afterglow which is not really opioid like (im a fucking recovering heroing adddict), not really mdma, but something that is cool. i dont know.
 
How dissociative is MXE on low doses?

I haven't had time to try my MXE and I'm gonna go see Crystal Castles live next week. Could MXE be good at concerts in ~25 mg range (oral), or is it too dissociative? I'm trying to take a little brake from stimulants/empatogens so I'm trying to come up with some other chemical to take at the concert.
 
Nub said:
How dissociative is MXE on low doses?

I haven't had time to try my MXE and I'm gonna go see Crystal Castles live next week. Could MXE be good at concerts in ~25 mg range (oral), or is it too dissociative? I'm trying to take a little brake from stimulants/empatogens so I'm trying to come up with some other chemical to take at the concert.
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I wouldn't recommend you try MXE for the first time at a gig. Get to know the drug in the safety and comfort of your home first. You ought not to be too far gone from a 25mg oral dose, but you'll definitely feel something.
 
Turn the eye within the eye

Freemoviez said:
My plan is to find a effective long lasting ROA comparable to IM without the sore muscles and bruising. Me being a IM user all day and seeing down sides to it i want to find a better ROA for depression, anxiety, mindset, etc. seeing as how this affects people differently.
Thanks beardface for the Idea of DMSO... Im assuming the gel would take longer to absorb? If anyone else has any ideas for making transdermal Patches of this please chime in... I will try to do more research on it but life has become very busy. And im not the brightest bulb. Any help will be greatly appreciated
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I doubt a DMSO transdermal ROA would work better than any of the other more standard routes, including oral. I tried IM a few times, but after trying rectal and finding it's almost indiscernible from IM I haven't bothered again with IM. The only difference is a slightly longer onset time, but the potency is almost the same (far superior to any other route not requiring a needle).

Methoxetamine open-eye visuals

I had an amazing time on MXE recently. It was the first time I really devoted a lot of focus to the trip (no music, no film, just me in my bed in the dark seeing where I could go with a little of my own mental effort). I've been practicing entering hynagogic states (the hallucinogenic state between sleep and waking) by setting an early alarm, eating breakfast, then going back to bed (it helps to be awake for awhile before going back to bed if you want to evoke the state for longer periods of time). I applied the same effort to stay aware while entering a sleep-like trance to MXE as I do to hypnagogic states, and just listened. I then began to hear brief snippets of sentences from random voices and see flashes of imagery (a common example of this is hearing your name called when no one called you as you drift to sleep, but if you practice you'll start hearing a lot more). At first it was chaotic, but then I finally recognized "turn the eye within the eye." This was accompanied by a vision of a cross-sectional diagram-like image of an eye, within which was inset another, smaller, eye.

The inner eye turned around 180 degrees so that its pupil looked directly into the retina of the larger eye. At this point I realized my right eye had popped opened involuntarily and was staring at the surface of a pillow a few centimeters in front of it. In the darkness the surface of the pillow began to crawl with patterns of shadow and light, and the voices I has heard earlier returned, making ever-faster and louder rhythmic chants of non-sense words (yigga yaga ga ga, yigga yaga ga ga!...). The configurations of light quickly dilated into extraordinarily realistic hallucinations in the right periphery of my vision (pretty much the entire space of the right half of my vision outside of the focal point was a projection screen for the visions). Among other things, I saw photo-realistic scenes of streets bustling with crowds of shadowy figures. The continuity was like nothing else I've experienced with open eyes, as I could very deliberately choose to attend to a single figure within the crowd at random and track their path through it, all while they maintained a steady form and cadence. Later, I looked at the hair on my arm and saw more hair grow, then retract into individual pores, then grow again, fall out and flow in a stream. I did this four or five times because it was the vision I found I had the most conscious control over (as I'm sure many of you are, I'm motivated by a silly ambition to consciously control my own waking perception). These visions were of the character of the often reported dissociative "mind movies" -- where the experiencer closes their eyes and the hallucinogenic scenes are as vivid as if they were playing out with eyes open -- but these visions occurred with eyes open and often incorporated features of the environment into the hallucinations (more like what you hear with deliriants, but accompanied by much greater cognitive lucidity).

I've used psychedelics and dissociatives for 13 years (methoxetamine for six months) and I've never seen open eye visuals with such a sense of material presence and independent continuity. I certainly never noticed open-eye visuals from methoxetamine before. I got up and returned to my bed a number of times over a few hours in disbelief at the clarity of what I was seeing, always expecting that I wouldn't be able to evoke the same phenomena again, or that I had dreamed it. But it kept coming back in one form or another.

After experimenting with different environments, I concluded that what's best for the visions is a dark and nearby surface to be projected on (like the side of a pillow a few centimeters away from the eye or the skin on the wrists held close to the face). If I closed my eyes or turned on the lights, they'd disappear. Initiating the visions always involved deliberate effort in attending to how my eyes were focused. It reminded me slightly of what you need to do to make those 3D "Magic Eye" images appear -- that is, unfocus to bring a deeper vision into focus. In my case, I had to look in one direction but shift my attention to the periphery of my visual window without moving my eyes. Metaphorically speaking, I had to "turn the eye within the eye".

The periphery of our vision is largely filled in by our brains because the density of photorectors in the periphery of the retina is far more diffuse than towards the center or in the focal point. I believe that's why I saw the visions in that part of the visual window. Further, a dark and undetailed surface simply contains less perceptual information to compete and cause interference with subconscious projections (imagine trying to watch a drive-in film during the day), and that's why those conditions were best for the projections. However, if that's all there is to it I don't know why I couldn't see these visions with eyes closed. I suspect it had to do with hearing the auditory hallucination "turn the eye within the eye" right before I saw the first open-eye vision. I think whatever part of my subconscious was making these visions for me wanted my conscious ego to know that it knew exactly what it was doing (which is so fascinating -- and slightly scary -- to me).

I'm very excited to try again.

Edit: Dose was 50 mg rectal followed by 20 mg rectal an 1.5 hours later
 
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Speaking to OEVs, I've had a number of high-dose experiences wherin it seemed that continual streams of wormholes kept opening up in front of me. These spacial anomolies almost seemed connected to my body, somewhat like the weird 'holes' in the movie Donnie Darko, and there seemed to be a constant flow of information coming from them and into me. Most peculiar%)
 
Nub said:
How dissociative is MXE on low doses?

I haven't had time to try my MXE and I'm gonna go see Crystal Castles live next week. Could MXE be good at concerts in ~25 mg range (oral), or is it too dissociative? I'm trying to take a little brake from stimulants/empatogens so I'm trying to come up with some other chemical to take at the concert.
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I second the advice not to take it your first time at a show.

In my experience it's best to take MXE well before and aim for the afterglow at a show.

Every time I've done that it's been fantastic, but when I didn't take it early enough I felt a little sketchy and confused being around people.
 
Im looking for LONG lasting.... So i dont have to keep redosing.... Constant low dose input not better per say but more effective
 
psood0nym said:
I doubt a DMSO transdermal ROA would work better than any of the other more standard routes, including oral. I tried IM a few times, but after trying rectal and finding it's almost indiscernible from IM I haven't bothered again with IM. The only difference is a slightly longer onset time, but the potency is almost the same (far superior to any other route not requiring a needle).

Methoxetamine open-eye visuals

I had an amazing time on MXE recently. It was the first time I really devoted a lot of focus to the trip (no music, no film, just me in my bed in the dark seeing where I could go with a little of my own mental effort). I've been practicing entering hynagogic states (the hallucinogenic state between sleep and waking) by setting an early alarm, eating breakfast, then going back to bed (it helps to be awake for awhile before going back to bed if you want to evoke the state for longer periods of time). I applied the same effort to stay aware while entering a sleep-like trance to MXE as I do to hypnagogic states, and just listened. I then began to hear brief snippets of sentences from random voices and see flashes of imagery (a common example of this is hearing your name called when no one called you as you drift to sleep, but if you practice you'll start hearing a lot more). At first it was chaotic, but then I finally recognized "turn the eye within the eye." This was accompanied by a vision of a cross-sectional diagram-like image of an eye, within which was inset another, smaller, eye.

The inner eye turned around 180 degrees so that its pupil looked directly into the retina of the larger eye. At this point I realized my right eye had popped opened involuntarily and was staring at the surface of a pillow a few centimeters in front of it. In the darkness the surface of the pillow began to crawl with patterns of shadow and light, and the voices I has heard earlier returned, making ever-faster and louder rhythmic chants of non-sense words (yigga yaga ga ga, yigga yaga ga ga!...). The configurations of light quickly dilated into extraordinarily realistic hallucinations in the right periphery of my vision (pretty much the entire space of the right half of my vision outside of the focal point was a projection screen for the visions). Among other things, I saw photo-realistic scenes of streets bustling with crowds of shadowy figures. The continuity was like nothing else I've experienced with open eyes, as I could very deliberately choose to attend to a single figure within the crowd at random and track their path through it, all while they maintained a steady form and cadence. Later, I looked at the hair on my arm and saw more hair grow, then retract into individual pores, then grow again, fall out and flow in a stream. I did this four or five times because it was the vision I found I had the most conscious control over (as I'm sure many of you are, I'm motivated by a silly ambition to consciously control my own waking perception). These visions were of the character of the often reported dissociative "mind movies" -- where the experiencer closes their eyes and the hallucinogenic scenes are as vivid as if they were playing out with eyes open -- but these visions occurred with eyes open and often incorporated features of the environment into the hallucinations (more like what you hear with deliriants, but accompanied by much greater cognitive lucidity).

I've used psychedelics and dissociatives for 13 years (methoxetamine for six months) and I've never seen open eye visuals with such a sense of material presence and independent continuity. I certainly never noticed open-eye visuals from methoxetamine before. I got up and returned to my bed a number of times over a few hours in disbelief at the clarity of what I was seeing, always expecting that I wouldn't be able to evoke the same phenomena again, or that I had dreamed it. But it kept coming back in one form or another.

After experimenting with different environments, I concluded that what's best for the visions is a dark and nearby surface to be projected on (like the side of a pillow a few centimeters away from the eye or the skin on the wrists held close to the face). If I closed my eyes or turned on the lights, they'd disappear. Initiating the visions always involved deliberate effort in attending to how my eyes were focused. It reminded me slightly of what you need to do to make those 3D "Magic Eye" images appear -- that is, unfocus to bring a deeper vision into focus. In my case, I had to look in one direction but shift my attention to the periphery of my visual window without moving my eyes. Metaphorically speaking, I had to "turn the eye within the eye".

The periphery of our vision is largely filled in by our brains because the density of photorectors in the periphery of the retina is far more diffuse than towards the center or in the focal point. I believe that's why I saw the visions in that part of the visual window. Further, a dark and undetailed surface simply contains less perceptual information to compete and cause interference with subconscious projections (imagine trying to watch a drive-in film during the day), and that's why those conditions were best for the projections. However, if that's all there is to it I don't know why I couldn't see these visions with eyes closed. I suspect it had to do with hearing the auditory hallucination "turn the eye within the eye" right before I saw the first open-eye vision. I think whatever part of my subconscious was making these visions for me wanted my conscious ego to know that it knew exactly what it was doing (which is so fascinating -- and slightly scary -- to me).

I'm very excited to try again.

Edit: Dose was 50 mg rectal followed by 20 mg rectal an 1.5 hours later
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Wow, thank you for sharing that. Fascinating...
 
Anyone into the space programs should try listening to somafm 'mission control' on headphones while on a good dose of MXE and wearing one of those sleeping blindfolds.

AMAZING!

I was walking on the moon with those guys . Fantastic!!
For anyone who doesn't know, 'mission control' is an ambient online station with various nasa radio comms mixed in...


http://somafm.com/play/missioncontrol

:)
 
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