The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine / MXE Thread - Part 16 - Sweet 16 mind-control machine

[psynce of sound]

I hope it all hasn't ran out. My supplier is out for now but I expect they will restock as soon as possible. Definitely getting a bulk stock if it's looking like it will stop being produced.

 

[yepyepwoah]

just got a nice clean crystally batch. Is definatly around. Just sucks it varies so much, get a gram or two to test the waters, find out its good or not, and then they are out...

 

[Bluuberry]

You guiseeee. I was joking it's not fucking going anywhere. I swear, this is the only drug that is so insanely popular that people are somehow worried it is somehow going to vanish. I find it really funny actually. Think about it. Basic economics here.

The variance though.. What the fuck. If I wasn't totally broke right now I'd be getting all these different batches tested. I thought I had a huge tolerance and lost the magic and then I dipped into a half gram of something particularly nice from a while ago and all of a sudden the magic is back at a regular dose. WTF. The new bag doesn't give up the magic no matter how high I dose, but a single normal dose from an older bag was amazing. Both from the same source, supposed to be A grade. So again, WTF. Makes me wonder what I'm even taking.

Where do I have to send samples to get an analysis of purity? I would like to know exactly what is in the sample at what percentage, for example if impurities are present and exactly what is going on. Is EC my only option?

It's kind of driving me crazy. Is it 'light' and 'dark' MXE like vortech hypothesized, are they just tuned to different vibrations? Are less desirable disso RC's getting mixed in some batches? Is it due to polymorphism?

It seems like sending a few samples off to thorough lab could clear some of this wackiness up. Too much speculation for too long.

 

[Listening]

The variance though.. What the fuck. If I wasn't totally broke right now I'd be getting all these different batches tested. I thought I had a huge tolerance and lost the magic and then I dipped into a half gram of something particularly nice from a while ago and all of a sudden the magic is back at a regular dose. WTF. The new bag doesn't give up the magic no matter how high I dose, but a single normal dose from an older bag was amazing. Both from the same source, supposed to be A grade. So again, WTF. Makes me wonder what I'm even taking.

Where do I have to send samples to get an analysis of purity? I would like to know exactly what is in the sample at what percentage, for example if impurities are present and exactly what is going on. Is EC my only option?

It's kind of driving me crazy. Is it 'light' and 'dark' MXE like vortech hypothesized, are they just tuned to different vibrations? Are less desirable disso RC's getting mixed in some batches? Is it due to polymorphism?

It seems like sending a few samples off to thorough lab could clear some of this wackiness up. Too much speculation for too long.

I'm going to write another post when I do further testing (I'm comparing three batches), but what I can tell you is this: I had a batch that had NO magic: no psychedelia, no mood lift, no creative energy: just uninteresting dissociation. This is not to say that it wasn't potent: in fact the potency was about normal. It was just lame. It was so lame that I was convinced that it wasn't MXE, so I sent it into ecstasydata.org for GC/MS. The result? MXE and nothing else. WTF indeed.

This is not set and setting related, BTW. There are simply wildly different effects from different batches of MXE. Why? From all my research no one knows for sure (and some people are in denial).

Anyway, I currently have three different batches in my possession and am trying to do some controlled testing, so more to come if I figure something out.

 

[Xorkoth]

There is for sure variance in batches, I have no doubt of this. For whatever reason the effects of MXE batches are not all the same, apparently even when tested positive as pure MXE. I don't know why this is the case but it certainly is. A lot of people scoff at this idea but as someone who has used a lot of MXE from different batches, I can say it's definitely true.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I just remember the first gram I got being so damn magical, but needing more to get 'there' (this was a white crystalline batch), but my second and last batch I got is tan, more powdery, more potent, but also much less magical. I can't explain why, I've tried taking extended breaks to reset tolerance to see if that is the problem, to no avail. Weird shit.

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Even 3 years ago I always got it from the same vendor, and I saw at least 4 different batches. If I'd of known the variances I would of purchased 100g of the first stuff I got for sure.

The batch I got that was salt like crystals was so speedy and crazy, I would always end up in the tub eating benzos. Some people I knew liked it and I ended up giving away like 9 grams out of 10. And the last batch I got was super fluffy and caused a blackout in anything over 50mg. But they all had the "taste" I came to associate with MXE

 

[Bluuberry]

Listening, definitely keep us posted if you have any more thoughts or data! That was helpful to know, I'm in that boat right now where I feel like the one bag is almost an entirely different drug but I'm betting it's just one of those less magical batches. I may still send it off.

It's funny too, the vendor claimed both batches were made by the same chemist in the same lab in the same circumstances. I wasn't even complaining, just inquiring. Very fucking odd and definitely frustrating since it sells out too fast to get a tester of a particular batch and then order more if its good.

 

[Peacephrog1972]

I was just looking at a vendor page and they actually had A and B grade stuff.....thought that was weird

 

[psood0nym]

There's no way to distinguish the subjective and psycho-social influences on our MXE experiences from those inherent to the physical constitution of the substance each of us is using without some attempt at double-blinding. Somehow I doubt anybody posting has saved a gram or so from each suspected “batch” and gone to the trouble of randomizing their own exposures to the “batches” with the help of even informally experimentally blinded administrators and recorded the results for dozens of trials.

Consider that the only people who can accurately and consistently blindly distinguish flavors in foods and differences among brands are professional sensory experts. Such people have undergone extensive formal training with verified reference samples, and food/drink samples are composed of dozens of different compounds! With MXE “batches” we're talking about a psychological appraisal (far more prone to unknown subconscious factors than taste) of substances that likely only consist of MXE itself and a handful of potential synthesis impurities (extremely limited factors). Consider the McGurk Effect and imagine its kindred applications in the melee of psychosocial experience. If you believe that bad joo joo can infect your MXE I can't help you. But if you're open to the idea that the human mind tries to make sense of the world in ways that favor it in a profoundly selfish way then maybe it will help you to stop worrying yourself about batches and take the experience as it is as much as is possible.

 

[Xorkoth]

I understand what you're saying for sure, and I mostly agree with you. However, it seems to me that different batches I've gotten have had reliably different effects. Not every one, but there are three sorts of experiences I have had with MXE and they have corresponded to different batches. I just get the feeling something is going on here that we don't understand, with MXE in particular. I don't get this sort of reliable variance with anything else, though of course all experiences and subjective and all trips are unique.

 

[psood0nym]

I understand what you're saying for sure, and I mostly agree with you. However, it seems to me that different batches I've gotten have had reliably different effects. Not every one, but there are three sorts of experiences I have had with MXE and they have corresponded to different batches. I just get the feeling something is going on here that we don't understand, with MXE in particular. I don't get this sort of reliable variance with anything else, though of course all experiences and subjective and all trips are unique.

The MXE headspace is extremely prone to psychological influences. I've closed my eyes and gone into dissociative vision states where I've identified parts from draft papers I was looking at earlier in the day, or seen the vague semblances of license plates on cars after an afternoon spent driving on the highway (that is there's interpretive replay of recent memories, as in dreams). If I've been reading I see text and text-like characters behind my eyelids and floating on the surface of the damned toilet. MXE's effects, at least some of them, are more akin in subjective reckoning to dream-realm artifacts seeping into waking life than real-time perceptual and sensational distortions resulting from biochemically mimetic drug chaff. The consciously experienced output is at a high-level of brain processing, and so can be suspected to be influenced by high-level events in consciousness like our comprehension of online discussion of “batches” even more so than for most drugs.

 

[jason7]

Watch this on MXE and your world will change.

 

[Listening]

Somehow I doubt anybody posting has saved a gram or so from each suspected “batch” and gone to the trouble of randomizing their own exposures to the “batches” with the help of even informally experimentally blinded administrators and recorded the results for dozens of trials.

Actually I did just that. I haven't posted my findings yet because I still haven't done all the trials. As I say, the effects from two different batches of confirmed pure MXE have totally different effects (for me at least).

Consider that the only people who can accurately and consistently blindly distinguish flavors in foods and differences among brands are professional sensory experts.

I'm sorry but how is this relevant to the discussion? You and I can both distinguish between wine and grape juice, and that's about the level of difference in effects between the two different batches.

 

[doppelgänger1]

Actually I did just that. I haven't posted my findings yet because I still haven't done all the trials. As I say, the effects from two different batches of confirmed pure MXE have totally different effects (for me at least).

If you know it was two different batches it isn't really randomised isn't it?

 

[Listening]

If you know it was two different batches it isn't really randomised isn't it?

The question is whether different batches of confirmed pure MXE have different effects. My tests are blind, which serves the purpose.

 

[Bluuberry]

Psoodonym I see where you're coming from but the fact is that a lot of people get consistently different effects from different batches of MXE that has been tested to be analytically pure. As in, I CANNOT get the same experience no matter how high I dose. So it is not simply a matter of purity (for example, if a batch was simply 20% less pure by weight).

I don't think expectations come into play too much here because I always have high hopes for a new batch of MXE. In fact it took me many uses to realize that it was simply not giving me the same experience I was used to. So perhaps it is true that at first, the placebo of thinking it was a high quality batch made it seem better than it was. However I eventually noticed a stark difference when one day I tried a bag that I thought was just as good from a month ago. As someone said, it's like the difference between grape juice and wine. The effects were so different that I still wonder if I have different drugs, I just don't have the money to get multiple samples tested right now. Maybe in a few months, but that's hundreds of dollars for something that may just say they are all just MXE..

It's not like it's keeping me up at night worrying about it, the point is that it makes purchasing MXE very difficult. I'm buying it because I want the magic feeling. When I pay a big chunk of money for a bag of magic and the magic isn't there, we have a problem. The problem is exacerbated when the MXE is actually analytically pure. Because then the source isn't actually selling 'bunk product', so even an honest vendor has to get rid of the stock.

I talk with my vendor about each batch and when there have been problems with 'no magic' in the past, he always reported having other people message him about the problem as well. Do you really think we are all having paranoid delusions at the same time about the same exact batches, or is it perhaps more likely that there really IS a reason for variance in analytically pure batches?

 

[vortech]

The MXE headspace is extremely prone to psychological influences. I've closed my eyes and gone into dissociative vision states where I've identified parts from draft papers I was looking at earlier in the day, or seen the vague semblances of license plates on cars after an afternoon spent driving on the highway (that is there's interpretive replay of recent memories, as in dreams). If I've been reading I see text and text-like characters behind my eyelids and floating on the surface of the damned toilet. MXE's effects, at least some of them, are more akin in subjective reckoning to dream-realm artifacts seeping into waking life than real-time perceptual and sensational distortions resulting from biochemically mimetic drug chaff. The consciously experienced output is at a high-level of brain processing, and so can be suspected to be influenced by high-level events in consciousness like our comprehension of online discussion of “batches” even more so than for most drugs.

I'm glad someone else has reported these experiences. They are some of the more profound memories I have- laying in bed at 3AM in the dark, more than four hours since dosing quite a bit too much MXE throughout the day, and just watching in complete amazement at the patterns being generated by my phosphenes. I couldn't explain it, how my phosphenes were generating clear images, it looked like these green and brown and red and purple sphere-like or teardrop bubbles, and within the bubbles were crystal-clear images of what I intuitively felt were memories, things my eyes had seen before, and they were moving images too, fragments of scenes. Maybe my brain was scanning the memory holograms looking for pieces to play with in dreams. Other users of hallucinogens have reported posphene images, and apparently if someone is deprived of visual stimuli for long enough, the brain will start producing this phenomenon (nicknamed 'prisoner's cinema'). So we have good reason to believe there is some latent capacity for us to see our holographic memory (or whatever weird neurological activity that may cause it) with phosphenes.

 

[Bluuberry]

By the way guys, I get this sore / swollen feeling in my kidneys every fucking time I take MXE now. I'm going to take a break and take detoxifying herbs (Burdock, Dandelion root, Milk Thistle, Nettle, maybe some others), hopefully it clears up. It's not really present when I'm not on MXE but it comes back full force every time I take another dose, shortly after the pleasant effects start to kick in. I thought it was just in my head or something but it happened consistently for like a week, my body is speaking loud and clear.. I'm a little worried but hopefully things will be fine after a much needed break. I wish I'd known about these toxic side effects before I let it develop into such a habit.

Actually I'm now noticing that it does still hurt after a night of sleep..

 

[vortech]

Dude, bluuberry, you can do it. I did! MXE clean for a week! I think we have figured out pretty well the safest way to use it is as a revered psychedelic or as an adjunct to a psychedelic. Though I will admit some of the best breakthroughs can happen after 2 or 3 days of consecutive use, any more than that is counterproductive therapeutically and recreationally.