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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

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knockando said:
I've PMed the mods to ask if there's any way we can have some basic safety/dosage information on each page. I'm not hopeful as I don't think the site supports sticky posts. I'd put it in my sig but I don't fucking have one....

In the meantime:

METHOXETAMINE DOSAGE AND SAFETY INFORMATION

This drug is not ketamine, it has a different dose range and effects profile.

Dosed sensibly this drug can be very interesting and enjoyable. Dosed stupidly it can be unpleasant and possibly dangerous.

Several people have had very negative reactions.

If you don't have scales get them as you cannot reliably eyeball at this level.

Allergy test: 5mg - a tiny amount.
First dose: 10-20mg - enough for most to feel the less extreme effects - LESS than ketamine
Come-up: 30 to 90 minutes, LONGER than ketamine
Duration: 5-7 hours, LONGER than ketamine

Increase your doses gradually. The effects quickly become different and less manageable.

If you choose to ignore this advice at least DO NOT EXCEED 50mg for your first dose.

Because the specific effects are unpredictable, it makes sense to be somewhere safe and familiar. Become familiar with the effects before you consider combining with other drugs, including alcohol.

If you decide to IV you are probably making a very big mistake.
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If you would, could you please add how long you should keep it under your tongue, how long the come up is and how long does it last orally like that. I'm trying to decide how to dose my girl, and she is not needle friendly like me. lol.. Thanks!
 
nanoshot said:
If you would, could you please add how long you should keep it under your tongue, how long the come up is and how long does it last orally like that. I'm trying to decide how to dose my girl, and she is not needle friendly like me. lol.. Thanks!
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You quoted an OLD post! Durations sublingual and sniffed are similar I think!

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9110438&postcount=18

sorry I had that pointing to nowhere before as I was spangled.
 
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I am definitely concerned about kidney/bladder problems with this... I still have this ache in my back, it seems to have gotten better as time has gone on... this started happening once before just after the few times doing MXE, that was a few months ago...I thought it was a pulled muscle at first, but I've noticed the problem returns worse everytime I take this, or k, or 4meo... I'm not a heavy user but I guess for a period I would do something once a week, now I'm concerned that I need to abstain for a long time for it to heal up.... I don't know how rare the effect is, but I wanted to warn people that this could be MXE's big side effect/downside.
 
lbeing789 said:
I am definitely concerned about kidney/bladder problems with this... I still have this ache in my back, it seems to have gotten better as time has gone on... this started happening once before just after the few times doing MXE, that was a few months ago...I thought it was a pulled muscle at first, but I've noticed the problem returns worse everytime I take this, or k, or 4meo... I'm not a heavy user but I guess for a period I would do something once a week, now I'm concerned that I need to abstain for a long time for it to heal up.... I don't know how rare the effect is, but I wanted to warn people that this could be MXE's big side effect/downside.
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I hope you get better! I have to say, I have not noticed anything like this and I've been using pretty much weekly for three months, but I've never dosed above 70mg and I've almost always dosed sublingual. How much have you been dosing and by what ROA?
 
knockando said:
I hope you get better! I have to say, I have not noticed anything like this and I've been using pretty much weekly for three months, but I've never dosed above 70mg and I've almost always dosed sublingual. How much have you been dosing and by what ROA?
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intranasal, I've been hitting up to 150mg over the course of 48hrs, everything has been done safely...but the moment this other guy mentioned swollen kidneys, pain sitting down, it has to be related somehow... people have talked about these problems on ketamine... I don't think the ROA would affect this... would sublingual avoid the kidneys/bladder?
 
lbeing789 said:
intranasal, I've been hitting up to 150mg over the course of 48hrs, everything has been done safely...but the moment this other guy mentioned swollen kidneys, pain sitting down, it has to be related somehow... people have talked about these problems on ketamine... I don't think the ROA would affect this... would sublingual avoid the kidneys/bladder?
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I don't think so, and your dosing doesn't sound over the top. Interesting. But you've been using K and 4-Meo-PCP? I've not.

May well be a negative effect that a small percentage experience.
 
knockando said:
I don't think so, and your dosing doesn't sound over the top. Interesting. But you've been using K and 4-Meo-PCP? I've not.

May well be a negative effect that a small percentage experience.
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Yeah I used those in the MXE downtime, but minimal doses and weeks apart, done separately also, no mixing, only every other weekend, but I also did AMT twice in that period.
 
I went to the doctors today and got a urine test, it was fine.. I think the swelling triggers spasms and that's what is persisting.
 
knockando said:
I like the way you can just stop




F R E E Z E


F R A M E






and then carry on
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Love it %)

I spent about 16 hours under the influence yesterday going through

* Wooly
* Amused
* Highly amused
* Laughing my socks off at snow and Xmas lights while listening to music
* Enjoying tremendously a delicious home cooked bowl of pasta
* Remaining wooly, furry and warm
* Floating off to sleep to some Pete Namlook

This state was achieved by repeated 20-30 mg sublingual doses every 3 hours or so, each time returning close to baseline+wooly MXE afterglow.

Where is the wooly smiley? :D <3
 
I have several things to add to this thread since I last posted, and I'm replying to a number of people whose names I can't remember, so apologies.

Yatzy/yatsi/yatzi/whatever: I hope you and your mates are ok, the thought of 400mg in 5 minutes just offends my NMDA receptors

Whoever, a few pages back, said that MDAI is more powerful than people think (or words to that effect): Yes. Yes it is.

I snorted 60mg earlier. And I drank 2 cans of Stella after that, while it kicked in. Methoxetamine and alcohol are not friends :| And definitely don't go in with an anxious mindset, because otherwise, PHYSICALLY REAL pillars of doubt will contort your body so badly, that you fall through the floor to a universe of apocalyptic darkness. And playing baseball on the Wii is the only way you can get out :\ (Although I should qualify this statement by saying that every other time I've tried this, it's been cosmically magical)

Knockando, was it you that said something like "Ah well, I'm losing my mind, could be worse"?

I love that feeling of slipping slowly into insanity, but being 100% comfortable with it =D
 
This stuff slows everything down quite a bit. It's a warm far away feeling. 30mg sublingual is enough to feel quite dissociated.
 
abore said:
This stuff slows everything down quite a bit. It's a warm far away feeling. 30mg sublingual is enough to feel quite dissociated.
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Yes you're right but you're milling about by the postcards on the "sidewalk". Enjoy them but there's a whole gift shop inside! :)

Another 20-30mg and you'll be up against the dish towels and fudge.
 
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knockando said:
Yes you're right but you're milling about by the postcards on the "sidewalk". Enjoy them but there's a whole gift shop inside! :)

Another 20-30mg and you'll be up against the dish towels and fudge.
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I'll definitely be going there tonight. :) My girlfriend and I are having a wonderfully strange time watching "Dead Like Me" from about 3 inches outside ourselves, although I'm getting closer to baseline with each passing minute. Definitely looking forward to the rest of the gift shp. :P
 
JSPete said:
This chemical certainly does have many profound qualities. It is hugely introspective, and whilst in the thick of a complete dis-associative experience, it can offer up new lateral and genuinely credible thoughts on life and the direction it is headed. Used correctly, this drug has lots of potential as a spiritual and therapeutic aid.
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Totally agree with this… and it's what I like about it. It can take you to a place where all is calm and serene… and you're alone with your thoughts. A very pleasant experience.

That and the slight physical numbness is about he only thing it has got in common with ketamine. I don't think it has the same euphoria and craziness as K - which is a shame, but sometimes you don't want all those fireworks that K offers. :)

The only problem, as I see others have mentioned, is the issue of dosage and duration. There is definitely a 'sweet-spot' with amount taken and the timing of dosing - but finding it is tricky. I imagine that it's going to be different for each user, and since the come-up is so slow and gradual, combined with the subtle effects at low doses, I can see people re-dosing too early and overshooting.

I personally feel, that this is going to be a less-is-more type of drug. :)
 
abore said:
I'll definitely be going there tonight. :) My girlfriend and I are having a wonderfully strange time watching "Dead Like Me" from about 3 inches outside ourselves, although I'm getting closer to baseline with each passing minute. Definitely looking forward to the rest of the gift shp. :P
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Did you have any trouble following the plot? I watched a film last night (and a couple of TV programmes) but was completely unable to understand what was going on. It was still fun though, probably in part because I was melting every-so-slightly into the sofa.
 
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