The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

[knock]

Totally agree with this… and it's what I like about it. It can take you to a place where all is calm and serene… and you're alone with your thoughts. A very pleasant experience.

Or it can be wild. Set and setting. Try a moderate dose before commencing your domestic chores.

That and the slight physical numbness is about he only thing it has got in common with ketamine. I don't think it has the same euphoria and craziness as K - which is a shame, but sometimes you don't want all those fireworks that K offers.

Not sure how crazy and euphoric K is but this can get pretty crazy. And euphoric.

I personally feel, that this is going to be a less-is-more type of drug.

I think there is a very wide useful dose range: MAX (100-150mg) is about 10-15 times MIN (10mg). There are interesting and worthwhile effects in all bands of the spectrum!

 

[psaxxon]

I'm reading this thread with interest, I have a G of this sitting under lock and key waiting for the right time, it's not here yet for me but at least I have some so the panic and rush are not an issue..

I have quite a colourful drug history, lots of hallucinogens and many other tasty treats but my disassociative experience is limited to pathetically sucking on the nitrous when my GF was giving birth! :D

Recently I've been limited to being fairly disappointed with 6-ABP and quite happy with the (good) MDAI and Jack Daniels combo.. When I do feel right about sampling this, I think 10mg plugged will be my initial intro. Thanks for your posts guys, they're entertaining, interesting and informative, I am sure there are plenty of us here, waiting, lurking and learning..

Bluelight is a very valuable resource, thanks to all..

Arse-kissing session over

 

[k.bear]

I think there is a very wide useful dose range: MAX (100-150mg) is about 10-15 times MIN (10mg). There are interesting and worthwhile effects in all bands of the spectrum!

I insufflated 45mg at once last night, followed by 25mg an hour later, then another 30mg 1hr 45mins later. Things didn't get crazy. Trip report here (warning, it's very long).

Any idea why it didn't affect me so much? I am all up for things getting crazy...

 

[knock]

I insufflated 45mg at once last night, followed by 25mg an hour later, then another 30mg 1hr 45mins later. Things didn't get crazy. Trip report here (warning, it's very long).

Any idea why it didn't affect me so much? I am all up for things getting crazy...

Staggering your doses, ROA (sniffing = less hard hitting), set & setting, your individual response.

Seriously, go sub-lingual and decide your chosen level in advance. 45mg sub-lingual has the potential to have you spinning on the spot wondering what exactly a room is.

Also the craziness is brought out in bright yellow highlighter when you try to do something normal and sensible like clean the bathroom.

 

[k.bear]

Staggering your doses, ROA (sniffing = less hard hitting), set & setting, your individual response.

Seriously, go sub-lingual and decide your chosen level in advance. 45mg sub-lingual has the potential to have you spinning on the spot wondering what exactly a room is.

Also the craziness is brought out in bright yellow highlighter when you try to do something normal and sensible like clean the bathroom.

Good advice, thanks. I wasn't crazy about the sublingual method because I imagine the taste will be icky, but I'm going to stick perhaps 40-50mg under my tongue next time and see what happens

I can always top-up by sniffing a bit later on if need be.

 

[knock]

Good advice, thanks. I wasn't crazy about the sublingual method because I imagine the taste will be icky, but I'm going to stick perhaps 40-50mg under my tongue next time and see what happens

I can always top-up by sniffing a bit later on if need be.

The taste is OK, nothing to be worried about. It's not in the same bitterness league as many pharmaceuticals let alone MDMA for example. Almost pleasant in my experience.

 

[Moowgli]

I read that people report opiate like effects and i was thinking, is there any chemical reason, and does this have an opiate effect or is it just an opiate "like" feeling?

i'm asking about this cause i want to know if it would - from a chemical point of view be safe to combine this with a stimulant?

 

[knock]

METHOXETAMINE


DOSAGE AND SAFETY INFORMATION

This drug is not ketamine, it has a different dose range and effects profile.

Dosed sensibly this drug can be very interesting and enjoyable. Dosed stupidly it can be unpleasant and possibly dangerous.

Several people have had very negative reactions.

Dosage

If you don't have scales get them as you cannot reliably eyeball at this level.

Allergy test: 5mg - a tiny amount, sniffed, sub-lingual, whatever.

Sub-lingual dosages (held under your tongue for five minutes, or as long as you can whichever is longer then gargled and swallowed)
First dose: 10-20mg - enough for most to feel the less extreme effects - LESS than ketamine
Typical dose range 20-100mg

Insufflated dosages (sniffed)
First dose: 15-25mg - enough for most to feel the less extreme effects - LESS than ketamine
Typical dose range: 30-150mg

Come-up: 30 to 90 minutes, LONGER than ketamine
Duration: 5-7 hours, LONGER than ketamine

Intramuscular Injection
First dose: 5-10mg - enough for most to feel the less extreme effects - LESS than ketamine
Typical dose range: 10-50mg
Come-up: 5 minutes
Duration: 2 hours

Intravenous Injection
There has been a reported death from 80-100mg intravenous injection combined with 400mg MDAI. Please tread carefully.

Increase your doses gradually. The effects quickly become different and less manageable.

If you choose to ignore this advice at least DO NOT EXCEED 50mg for your first dose.

Effects

Low doses: Amusement, degradation in physical co-ordination, connectedness and empathy.
Medium doses: Scattered thoughts and confusion. Mental stimulation / mania. Maybe CEVs. There may be unpredictable secondary psychedelic effects.
High doses: Immersion into hyperspace.

Set and Setting
Because the specific effects are unpredictable, it makes sense to be somewhere safe and familiar.

Combinations
Become familiar with the effects before you consider combining with other drugs, including alcohol.

Many report they do NOT like combinations with alcohol, even booze lovers like me.

Work in Progress
I don't have much experience sniffing so can someone comment on the sniffed dosages please? I made a best guess.
I based intramuscular dosage off fastandbulbous' initial report, feedback is needed. In fact feedback is needed for everything here!

 

[knock]

I read that people report opiate like effects and i was thinking, is there any chemical reason, and does this have an opiate effect or is it just an opiate "like" feeling?

i'm asking about this cause i want to know if it would - from a chemical point of view be safe to combine this with a stimulant?

People have combined with drugs with stimulant effects, aMT for example, but please become familiar with the effects on its own before starting combos, dose low and dose lower in combo.

I don't know the chemical reason for the effects on the opioid receptors but this comes from very knowledgeable members of this forum. It's not just a feeling, opiate-style withdrawal symptoms have been recorded.

If you're looking to replace your heroin in a speedball because of the UK/Eire heroin drought then I would respectfully ask that you think again, there is a reported death from IV use although this was admittedly a high dose and a high dose of MDAI was taken in combo.

 

[Skyline_GTR]

Anyone else tried oral yet? I have (dissolved in water/juice) and it appears to be very similar in speed of onset and potency to sublingual.

In fact, I'm begining to think that when you take it sublingually for just a few mins and then swallow, then you're really getting most of the dose orally. Guess the way to prove it one way or the other would be to put it under ones tongue for 5 mins then spit it out and see what the effects subsequently are.

 

[Zodiakk]

Apparently the 'JWH-018 cancer plague' has taught no one not to use RC's until they have been properly experimented...

 

[knock]

Guess the way to prove it one way or the other would be to put it under ones tongue for 5 mins then spit it out and see what the effects subsequently are.

That's already been done, it worked. Not by me. let me dig out the post.

I lied, it was someone asking if they should spit it out.

But I have to say the speed of onset with sub-lingual, which can be as low as 15 minutes to feel something, suggests it really is getting absorbed in there. How quick was onset for you orally?

 

[knock]

Apparently the 'JWH-018 cancer plague' has taught no one not to use RC's until they have been properly experimented...

What is this, an attempt at scaremongering?

 

[Skyline_GTR]

That's already been done, it worked. Not by me. let me dig out the post.

I lied, it was someone asking if they should spit it out.

But I have to say the speed of onset with sub-lingual, which can be as low as 15 minutes to feel something, suggests it really is getting absorbed in there. How quick was onset for you orally?

Exactly the same as sublingual for me - 15 mins for onset, 30 mins to peak! I can't explain why oral seems to be a more efficient ROA than snorting, but it works well for me.. it also saves having it in your mouth for a few mins, not that the taste is particularly bad of course, but its just less hassle to dissolve and gulp..

 

[stom10]

Apparently the 'JWH-018 cancer plague' has taught no one not to use RC's until they have been properly experimented...

I'm all for being cautious (I'd never touch a JWH, as weed is cheap and awesome as it is.), but does anyone have a documented case of cancer that followed abuse of JWH-018, or is this all still speculation about epoxides?

 

[knock]

Exactly the same as sublingual for me - 15 mins for onset, 30 mins to peak! I can't explain why oral seems to be a more efficient ROA than snorting, but it works well for me.. it also saves having it in your mouth for a few mins, not that the taste is particularly bad of course, but its just less hassle to dissolve and gulp..

OK, I will have to perform my own test to confirm this because you obviously can't be trusted

 

[pofacedhoe]

METHOXETAMINE


DOSAGE AND SAFETY INFORMATION

This drug is not ketamine, it has a different dose range and effects profile.

Dosed sensibly this drug can be very interesting and enjoyable. Dosed stupidly it can be unpleasant and possibly dangerous.

Several people have had very negative reactions.

Dosage

If you don't have scales get them as you cannot reliably eyeball at this level.

Allergy test: 5mg - a tiny amount, sniffed, sub-lingual, whatever.

Sub-lingual dosages (held under your tongue for five minutes, or as long as you can whichever is longer then gargled and swallowed)
First dose: 10-20mg - enough for most to feel the less extreme effects - LESS than ketamine
Typical dose range 20-100mg

Insufflated dosages (sniffed)
First dose: 15-25mg - enough for most to feel the less extreme effects - LESS than ketamine
Typical dose range: 30-150mg

Come-up: 30 to 90 minutes, LONGER than ketamine
Duration: 5-7 hours, LONGER than ketamine

Intramuscular Injection
First dose: 5-10mg - enough for most to feel the less extreme effects - LESS than ketamine
Typical dose range: 10-50mg
Come-up: 5 minutes
Duration: 2 hours

Intravenous Injection
There has been a reported death from 80-100mg intravenous injection combined with 400mg MDAI. Please tread carefully.

Increase your doses gradually. The effects quickly become different and less manageable.

If you choose to ignore this advice at least DO NOT EXCEED 50mg for your first dose.

Effects

Low doses: Amusement, degradation in physical co-ordination, connectedness and empathy.
Medium doses: Scattered thoughts and confusion. Mental stimulation / mania. Maybe CEVs. There may be unpredictable secondary psychedelic effects.
High doses: Immersion into hyperspace.

Set and Setting
Because the specific effects are unpredictable, it makes sense to be somewhere safe and familiar.

Combinations
Become familiar with the effects before you consider combining with other drugs, including alcohol.

Many report they do NOT like combinations with alcohol, even booze lovers like me.

Work in Progress
I don't have much experience sniffing so can someone comment on the sniffed dosages please? I made a best guess.
I based intramuscular dosage off fastandbulbous' initial report, feedback is needed. In fact feedback is needed for everything here!

link to the reported death please? any proof would be handy, as once deaths are linked to something that often proves the end even if it later turns out those deaths were not caused directly by the drug e.g. all the hoohah around meph deaths that turned out to be methadone

 

[change-jug]

Has anyone dosed methoxetamine while on suboxone? Will the suboxone block some or all of the effects from the methoxetamine?

 

[knock]

link to the reported death please? any proof would be handy, as once deaths are linked to something that often proves the end even if it later turns out those deaths were not caused directly by the drug e.g. all the hoohah around meph deaths that turned out to be methadone

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9104800&postcount=769

Of course, all sorts of things legal and illegal can kill you if you IV large quantities of them.

Obviously all we have to go on are the Flashback forum postings of someone who claims to be the friend of the relevant person, but there's no obvious reason to disbelieve them at the moment. Also F&B pointed out potential risks of IV use some time ago.

 

[Skyline_GTR]

OK, I will have to perform my own test to confirm this because you obviously can't be trusted

Well I might give the "spit" method a try later after holding it under my tongue for a few mins to see if we can get to the bottom of it.. just hope it does work and I dont end up losing some mxe!