Roostre
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That's really lame and counter productive to harm reduction.
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The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread: Second Dose
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That's really lame and counter productive to harm reduction.
IamMe90
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It's really lame that you're upset at not being able to tell how bomb your MDAI is for this weekend and you're putting it on harm reduction. There are plenty of appropriate communities to talk about the purity of the chems you've acquired from specific suppliers, and those are not bluelight. There are plenty of reasons for this, I suggest PMing a moderator for more detail if you're curious.
Jesusgreen
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As IAmMe90 rightfully said, there are many reasons for this.
There is no way to verify a user's experiences with a certain source, or that if these experiences were good future ones will be too. We also have had many vendors themselves and affliates of vendors hyping up products here - if we allowed people to discuss vendors, they would likely cloud the reports with inaccuracy and lead to people buying impure and mislabelled products - now that is counter productive to harm reduction.
Now an example of where it can happen with legitimate users. In the past I obtained some Mephedrone that was amazing quality etc, I told a real life friend, and they got some from the same source, they were then sold a batch that appeared to be cut and impure - it seems the once legitimate source had gone bad. This happens all the time. Luckily my friend was not hurt as a result, but someone easily could be, and it's not in peoples best interests to openly discuss sources in such a way - particularly when these threads get archived for long periods of time, and vendors do often go from legitimate to scammers.
I understand your concern, but we've had this rule for a long time, and it's not going to change unless we magically find some way of policing legitimate vendors. If you want to discuss the issue more, drop me or another mod a PM
Anyway, let's get back on topic.
A rather basic question of my own - when this chemical first came out, many people were expecting this to be like MDMA, which seems to have been vendor hype and not the case - are there any existing compounds it feels similar to?
Furthermore, how's the comedown/hangover with this compared to traditional empathogens?
There is no way to verify a user's experiences with a certain source, or that if these experiences were good future ones will be too. We also have had many vendors themselves and affliates of vendors hyping up products here - if we allowed people to discuss vendors, they would likely cloud the reports with inaccuracy and lead to people buying impure and mislabelled products - now that is counter productive to harm reduction.
Now an example of where it can happen with legitimate users. In the past I obtained some Mephedrone that was amazing quality etc, I told a real life friend, and they got some from the same source, they were then sold a batch that appeared to be cut and impure - it seems the once legitimate source had gone bad. This happens all the time. Luckily my friend was not hurt as a result, but someone easily could be, and it's not in peoples best interests to openly discuss sources in such a way - particularly when these threads get archived for long periods of time, and vendors do often go from legitimate to scammers.
I understand your concern, but we've had this rule for a long time, and it's not going to change unless we magically find some way of policing legitimate vendors. If you want to discuss the issue more, drop me or another mod a PM
Anyway, let's get back on topic.
A rather basic question of my own - when this chemical first came out, many people were expecting this to be like MDMA, which seems to have been vendor hype and not the case - are there any existing compounds it feels similar to?
Furthermore, how's the comedown/hangover with this compared to traditional empathogens?
As IAmMe90 rightfully said, there are many reasons for this.
There is no way to verify a user's experiences with a certain source, or that if these experiences were good future ones will be too. We also have had many vendors themselves and affliates of vendors hyping up products here - if we allowed people to discuss vendors, they would likely cloud the reports with inaccuracy and lead to people buying impure and mislabelled products - now that is counter productive to harm reduction.
Now an example of where it can happen with legitimate users. In the past I obtained some Mephedrone that was amazing quality etc, I told a real life friend, and they got some from the same source, they were then sold a batch that appeared to be cut and impure - it seems the once legitimate source had gone bad. This happens all the time. Luckily my friend was not hurt as a result, but someone easily could be, and it's not in peoples best interests to openly discuss sources in such a way - particularly when these threads get archived for long periods of time, and vendors do often go from legitimate to scammers.
I understand your concern, but we've had this rule for a long time, and it's not going to change unless we magically find some way of policing legitimate vendors. If you want to discuss the issue more, drop me or another mod a PM
Anyway, let's get back on topic.
A rather basic question of my own - when this chemical first came out, many people were expecting this to be like MDMA, which seems to have been vendor hype and not the case - are there any existing compounds it feels similar to?
Furthermore, how's the comedown/hangover with this compared to traditional empathogens?
I realise there was a fine line when writing that post last night , hope I didn't break any forum rules here.
All the best!
Okami
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The comedown's quite different to mdma I think. I don't get much of a comedown as such, I can't sleep for the night or at least sleep well and then the next day I can't really concentrate or do anything productive but I don't feel bad just sort of spaced out, the night after the that I end up sleeping at least 12 hours and then I'm back to normal. Also the residual effects last longer I find, for example I wouldn't classify myself as sober 7-8 hours after taking mdai but I would 7-8 hours after taking mdma.
EMLonergan
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I don't really get much comedown on MDAI at all, I usually just get an afterglow that lasts till the next morning.
Niasco
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Out of curiosity I bought a g, its light brown an clumpy with a light aroma. I took about 250mgs an i can say this, Im getting this cozy slight speedy reaction. Much cleaner than any other RC but doesnt hit you as hard, worth trying and probaly good to mix. I feel like a freakin robot as i write this.
EMLonergan
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I seems that legitimate MDAI can be either white or brown, the brown one containing some impurities, but probably due to synthesis complications. However, getting white powder labeled as MDAI is not a guarantee of pure substances, since they may be piperazines instead. And any speed-like stimulation from supposed MDAI definitely indicates the presence of something that is NOT legitimate MDAI.
not really, at least not in my experience. ive tried mdai from several batches over a period of time, and always i get slight stimulation (at least not like a full on stimulant, like for instance 4fa at 100mg dose), and also residual stimulation that impedes sleep for some hours after the plateau phase. a symptom should never be considered as defining for identifying a chemical. just my thoughts.
EMLonergan
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I definitely agree that there is some stimulation with high quality MDAI, but considering that MDAI is a highly selective serotonin releasing agent and reuptake inhibitor and seems not to affect dopamine and norepinephrine, any stimulation that can be subjectively determined to have a distinct dopaminergic stimulation is probably the sign of some dopaminergic adulterant, maybe some piperazine like BZP which messes with both dopamine and norepinephrine.
I'd like to discuss my experience with a low dose of MDAI. I have the fibrous crystal pure white sort. For some background I have had MDMA once and had a pretty bad week long comedown. At around 6:40 PM I ingested 20mg to test for an allergic reaction. In around 45 minutes the effects kicked in. I felt VERY relaxed and slightly light headed. There was not much euphoria but watching television and some stand up comedy was extremely hilarious for whatever reason. I felt NO stimulation. After about 4 hours I decided it was about time to hit the sack so I layed down.
This is when things went downhill. I all of the sudden felt what I could only describe as a cold twinge running down the back of my neck. It felt like the beginning of a panic attack. It then drifted away and I again tried to close my eyes. At first I was relaxed but then it felt as if my mind was split into to segments, one relaxed, and one rattling on and on in constant thought. It was the strangest feeling, it literally felt like I was having two seperate streams of thought occuring at the same time. I also felt an odd pressure on the left front portion of my brain. Then in almost a concious dream I just felt like there were seven faces looking in at me, representing parts of me. I had to go to the restroom so I got up, figuring on giving up on sleeping. I was becoming very agitated by people talking in the next room and when the dog barked I almost went nuts. At this point I started to panic a bit and brought out the clonozepam. 1.5mg and in two hours I was asleep and able to make work the next day.
I few things I've taken away from this. One, I'm glad I did not try a large initial dose at first. Two, I believe this to be MDAI or some sort of SSRA, not any stimulant. I do not believe the effects were placebo any longer due to the sudden comedown. Third, I believe the bad effects I suffered were due to serotonin depletion. During the episode I also suffered from swings in body temperature and feared that I had somehow induced serotonin syndrome, so I would take 5-HTP. I realise now that this was unlikely as I do not take any SSRIs or MAOIs. My symptoms literally progressed exactly as described here http://voices.yahoo.com/symptoms-low-serotonin-levels-3417422.html?cat=70 I believe according to what my mother told me once that low serotonin runs on her side of the family if such a thing is possibe
Today I was having anxiety spikes like a mild version of my MDMA comedown. At lunch I took 100mg of HTP, felt sleepy for a half hour, and now feel MUCH better.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Could supplementing beforehand with 5HTP solve this issue?
This is when things went downhill. I all of the sudden felt what I could only describe as a cold twinge running down the back of my neck. It felt like the beginning of a panic attack. It then drifted away and I again tried to close my eyes. At first I was relaxed but then it felt as if my mind was split into to segments, one relaxed, and one rattling on and on in constant thought. It was the strangest feeling, it literally felt like I was having two seperate streams of thought occuring at the same time. I also felt an odd pressure on the left front portion of my brain. Then in almost a concious dream I just felt like there were seven faces looking in at me, representing parts of me. I had to go to the restroom so I got up, figuring on giving up on sleeping. I was becoming very agitated by people talking in the next room and when the dog barked I almost went nuts. At this point I started to panic a bit and brought out the clonozepam. 1.5mg and in two hours I was asleep and able to make work the next day.
I few things I've taken away from this. One, I'm glad I did not try a large initial dose at first. Two, I believe this to be MDAI or some sort of SSRA, not any stimulant. I do not believe the effects were placebo any longer due to the sudden comedown. Third, I believe the bad effects I suffered were due to serotonin depletion. During the episode I also suffered from swings in body temperature and feared that I had somehow induced serotonin syndrome, so I would take 5-HTP. I realise now that this was unlikely as I do not take any SSRIs or MAOIs. My symptoms literally progressed exactly as described here http://voices.yahoo.com/symptoms-low-serotonin-levels-3417422.html?cat=70 I believe according to what my mother told me once that low serotonin runs on her side of the family if such a thing is possibe
Today I was having anxiety spikes like a mild version of my MDMA comedown. At lunch I took 100mg of HTP, felt sleepy for a half hour, and now feel MUCH better.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Could supplementing beforehand with 5HTP solve this issue?
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cannibalsnail
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20mg of MDAI wouldn't do anything. Its not even threshold. You didn't get MDAI I'm afraid.
BananasAndOranges
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Uhhhh I have taken 20mgs of MDAI on an amp comedown and I certainly felt it bud.....
BananasAndOranges
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200mgs of MDAI is beyong threshold mate. Like ... 90mgs is enough for a first timer. I get brain zaps from it so I stopped testing it out but it is mos def active at 20mgs. I dunno why some of you think 500mgs is a Dose...thats a shit ton...
I think my comedown pretty much ended today. The last two days I would get waves of some serious anxiety and for the most part they are very mild today. I'm going to go ahead and assume this stuff is not for me. I'm just so damn curious as to why such a serious bad reaction occurred.
IamMe90
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20mg, not 200mg. 20mg is not threshold, definitely not strong.
I've spoken to a few other forum members and it seems the latest batch of fibrous crystals is more potent at lower doses. I don't if this means its not MDAI or if for the first time its very pure MDAI. I just hope it isn't 4-MTA. The only trip report on erowid seems to be some of what I went though haha.
EMLonergan
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In my experience, MDAI can be felt all the way down to the 5mg range if it's pure. I actually find it extremely useful to take 5mg doses throughout the day when I'm feeling a little down, it helps me boost my mood to a surprising extent, and I get no side effects, ever. Definitely very real therapeutic potential here.
You can never know for sure unless you send it for a Lab Test.
i sent mine, and laboratory analysis showed a mixture of BZP and TFMPP
and Caffeine ... there was no MDAI in the mixture at all !!!
suppliers often sell something else labeled as "mdai" ...
sometimes cathinones, sometimes piperazines,
and who knows what more...
this is why we have to test it
there is alarmingly high percentage of fake MDAI on the market
be careful