Xorkoth
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I haven't tried LSZ or AL-LAD actually. I am surprised you are able to increase the effects so easily with LSD too, honestly. I have never had much luck with that method and psychedelics.
Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread
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al-laddin
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It works great with mushrooms too....It depends in my mood, if I want trip in a social setting and want to take the edge off I stagger my doses and it doesn't hit me as hard and is more of a gradual come up....I do this within the first few hours of either lsd or psilocybin with success but waiting much longer doesn't usually work as well
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This has probably been asked before, but can anyone provide me with information about the stability of this stuff? Has a large amount of this stored in a drawer (in its original packaging), and won't be touching it for a few months. Is it at risk of degrading?
I will add that I stored 25 tabs of AL-LAD in their original packaging for months and months, and noticed no drop in potency...
I will add that I stored 25 tabs of AL-LAD in their original packaging for months and months, and noticed no drop in potency...
perpetualdawn
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No one knows for sure how stable it is yet. Compared to AL-LAD, I think it should in theory be a little bit more stables, so if you found the method worked fine for AL-LAD, should be fine for LSZ. Keep it in orig packaging, don't open it until you must, keep it out of any light, keep it cool, should be good.
Just got my LSZ, looking forward to my first psychedelic experience i've been wanting one for ages man. I'll be doing it in a common setting with a sitter and a few other mates. Can you can swallow it straight away and have maximum effects? or should I chew it / let it sit on my tounge for a while? Any recommended movies / shows / music I should get for the trip? Sticking to 150ug for the first time, will go up after if all goes well, or I will try to get ahold of some AL-LAD after. Hopefully the comeup anxiety isn't too much like i've experienced on MDMA.
perpetualdawn
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You can swallow it right away, it's the recommended ROA these days, as a precaution against accidentally ingesting NBOMe. If you have the standard, mail-order LSZ blotter with LSZ printed on it, it should be fine though. I found the tabs were a bit big to go down smooth, so give it a quick chew, and down the hatch.
I recommend that you set aside some music you love beforehand so that it's ready to go, so you don't have to fuss whilst tripping. For movies, I think the sort of movies without dialogue are good, like Samsara, Manufactured Landscapes, Microcosmos etc.. although that's just a guess, I rarely want to sit down to watch a screen while tripping.
I felt some mild anxiety during comeup of LSZ, maybe more like restlessness, nothing too much though.
I recommend that you set aside some music you love beforehand so that it's ready to go, so you don't have to fuss whilst tripping. For movies, I think the sort of movies without dialogue are good, like Samsara, Manufactured Landscapes, Microcosmos etc.. although that's just a guess, I rarely want to sit down to watch a screen while tripping.
I felt some mild anxiety during comeup of LSZ, maybe more like restlessness, nothing too much though.
zombywoof
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just swallow it and that will rule out it being one of the nbxxx compounds and 150 should be more than enough for a first time. i would say have an empty tummy though as i have had this a few times and once straight after dinner and it was not as good as the other times. it seemed very weak and took quite a while before i felt anything...hope you have a good time
Don't want to scare you but psychedelic comeups can be pretty anxious. If/when that happens, go outside or change the music or something - it passes quickly and then you'll feel GREAT!
I have similar problems, I always get the fear on the come-up. Staggering my dose & incremental dosing seems to help. My first MDMA dose was half a caps worth, I suspect they were strong though, maybe 175mg in a whole cap. From then on my doses have dropped & I rarely use more than 100mg in 4 doses these days.
Same goes for psyches. With a drug such as LSz, the duration makes it easy to peak without having to dose 150ug in one go. If I am really nervous, I'll do a quarter, followed an hour later by another quarter, saving the last half for until I'm 100% sure I'm ready to continue. If I'm a bit more confident probably two halves, or even 3/4 of a tab followd by a half tab or the same again later if I'm really in the mood! No matter what though, I almost always stagger my doses & if I don't, I often regret it.
Bear in mind staggering the dose will stretch out an already medium length experience, & that an adrenergic tail end sometimes prevents sleep for a further couple hours at least.
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I usually stagger mine too! Im still trying to find the perfect formula for staggering. Everytime I do it I get better at it. Mushrooms are one substance that I will always stagger....to lessen the inevitable uncomfortable peak. It always uncomfortable for me anyway. Al-lad I found to be a bit gentler on the psyche so I do see much of a need to stagger unless I dose very high
hangyourhead
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Oh man, how I'd love to experience and analyze LSZ.
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Took a tab tonight for my first psy, pretty dissapointed man.
Took half the tab at 5:00pm, chewed for 10 minutes and swollowed. Took the other half 30 mins later at 5:30. Noticed a bit of nausia and anxiety an hour later and a really uncomfortable body feeling. By half 6 / 7 I felt like I was stoned which was pretty good apart from my body feeling heavy as fuck. For 2 hours food tasted better, music sounded better and was laughing alot, not much euphoria or anything though just random laughter. Constantly had this pretty horrible pain / feeling in my stomach and tremors which ruined it. Like stomach cramping, some muscle pain and sickness, had some dark chocolate and it seemed to ease about 10pm ish. Saw no visuals really apart from when I moved my phone around in the dark and didn't focus on it I could see trails of the screen. That was cool as fuck, but still not much compared to what I expected. My thoughts were normal for the most part too, not much deep / different thinking or anything.
So yeah, not what expected. Will wait for the next batch of AL-LAD I reckon. Maybe 2 tabs would've been needed for proper visuals and trip, but i'm not sure if I could handle the side effects from 2.
Took half the tab at 5:00pm, chewed for 10 minutes and swollowed. Took the other half 30 mins later at 5:30. Noticed a bit of nausia and anxiety an hour later and a really uncomfortable body feeling. By half 6 / 7 I felt like I was stoned which was pretty good apart from my body feeling heavy as fuck. For 2 hours food tasted better, music sounded better and was laughing alot, not much euphoria or anything though just random laughter. Constantly had this pretty horrible pain / feeling in my stomach and tremors which ruined it. Like stomach cramping, some muscle pain and sickness, had some dark chocolate and it seemed to ease about 10pm ish. Saw no visuals really apart from when I moved my phone around in the dark and didn't focus on it I could see trails of the screen. That was cool as fuck, but still not much compared to what I expected. My thoughts were normal for the most part too, not much deep / different thinking or anything.
So yeah, not what expected. Will wait for the next batch of AL-LAD I reckon. Maybe 2 tabs would've been needed for proper visuals and trip, but i'm not sure if I could handle the side effects from 2.
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From what I can tell, LSZ has more body load than AL-LAD and LSD both. Don't let it discourage you from other psychs, they're all very unique! You just gotta find what works for you.
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Meh , dose curve response is steep....if you get a chance you may only need to take 1.5 tabs to reach a good level. Ive noticed body load is more noticeable with psychedelics at lower doses. For me anyway. I believe its several reasons. First because its a powerful mind altering substance which creates distorted awareness of you body. Partial distorted awareness can feel awkward , kind of like a state of limbo, if you will. second, if you are relating body load to feelings of queeziness and tension, psychedelics tend help you not totice at higher doses because you are focused on the good effects as opposed to the side effects. Just my opinion. I can see LSZ being more interesting at higher doses. you and I sort of dosed similarly but I staggered mine even more so I probably got even less pronounced effects but I did not find it uncomfortable in the slightest
Take it from me, increasing the dose of a substance doesn't usually decrease the side effect profile. Since we're talking anecdotes here, I've noticed higher levels of anxiety = higher body load for me.
In some cases, increasing the dose increases the actual effects enough to distract the tripper from body-load etc. In some cases!
Psychedelics are so unpredictable anyway, I'm not going to list every reason their effects vary so wildly, but I'm sure it would suffice to say that unless you really hate it or suffer some wierd reaction, you need to try varying doses & settings for a new psyche & there's no way you can judge new material after just one whirl.
To make my point, I can assure you that a single tab of either Al-Lad or LSz, in one go, is considerably different in effect, to the best of my experience, to a single tab ingested in two seperate havles.
Bear in mind also that the vendor who has brought these to market knows only that they are psychedelic compounds & not what possible dangerous side effects might appear at higher doses. It may cme to pass that these new psyches are better dosed at 200ug per tab rather than 150ug, but introducing new compounds at high doses is foolhardy at the least.
Psychedelics are so unpredictable anyway, I'm not going to list every reason their effects vary so wildly, but I'm sure it would suffice to say that unless you really hate it or suffer some wierd reaction, you need to try varying doses & settings for a new psyche & there's no way you can judge new material after just one whirl.
To make my point, I can assure you that a single tab of either Al-Lad or LSz, in one go, is considerably different in effect, to the best of my experience, to a single tab ingested in two seperate havles.
Bear in mind also that the vendor who has brought these to market knows only that they are psychedelic compounds & not what possible dangerous side effects might appear at higher doses. It may cme to pass that these new psyches are better dosed at 200ug per tab rather than 150ug, but introducing new compounds at high doses is foolhardy at the least.
Yeah, definately going to wait for the next AL-LAD batch I don't fancy LSZ again really. Think i'll take 150ug and then 50 / 75 ug an hour or so later. From what i've read it's easier on the body.
I slept for 8 hours and can still see trails which is strange, thought the effects would have all gone by now. But they're only noticeable in the dark, isn't a big deal.
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MenTal_PaTienT
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I have a few trip reports written up here.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219697
I found alot of creativity and spirituality within this particular compound, around 1000 ug the come up was pretty intolerable but once i focused my energies and had a few bowls i was on top of the world with intense kaleido vision for at least 30-45 mins during the peak.
I think 750 ug isnt a very good dose for me as the body load stayed for longer and only induced a dreamy state with little visuals besides shape morphing.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219697
I found alot of creativity and spirituality within this particular compound, around 1000 ug the come up was pretty intolerable but once i focused my energies and had a few bowls i was on top of the world with intense kaleido vision for at least 30-45 mins during the peak.
I think 750 ug isnt a very good dose for me as the body load stayed for longer and only induced a dreamy state with little visuals besides shape morphing.