Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread

[Jim0]

Been almost a week and I've still got trails in the dark from this stuff. Looks like they'll come in handy at a festival coming up in a few days.

 

[al-laddin]

Im sorry to hear it Jim0, Im sure it will subside with time, for some it takes a few years. I would be careful indulging in psychedelics for a bit if you are worried about the after effects getting worse.

All Im saying is it will probably subside in less time but it can last several years in some people . Cheers

 

[pupnik]

Been almost a week and I've still got trails in the dark from this stuff. Looks like they'll come in handy at a festival coming up in a few days.

I would not make a big deal about this.
you are probably now noticing things that in the past you just ignored.
that is a very common side effect.
after a while, if these artifacts of normal vision become uninteresting to you you will not notice them any more again.
much of early childhood is learning what to track and react to.

 

[LiquidNebula]

I don't have much experience with lysergamides...do they cause strong vasoconstriction like the NBOMEs ?

 

[Kittycat5]

LSD and AL-LAD caused very little for me. LSZ did however. Weird combo of stimulation and vasoconstriction that led to some transient depression in my trial with LSZ.

 

[pupnik]

I don't have much experience with lysergamides...do they cause strong vasoconstriction like the NBOMEs ?

not at all like that
nbomes are practically stimulants
heart races and nerves jangle in feedback a bit
that does not happen with LSZ
but all the ergot like drugs have a kind of vasoconstriction, and a kind of smooth muscle contraction - I think the original research was about abortifacients or something like that.
for me LSZ is very very gentle physically
cannabis is much stronger physically

 

[jason7]

Hi everybody, I posted in this thread several months ago about the possibility of the herb Kudzu being able to reduce the undesirable physical effects of LSZ. At that time I was unable to get Kudzu capsules where I live so I wasn't able to test it out then but I was recently able to get some so I did do the test. I took the "Kudzu challenge", as I called it since nobody had ever combined Kudzu and LSZ before, or at least not reported doing so in any forum.

I took 2 capsules of Kudzu root, 613 mg each, and then immediately took 150 mcg LSZ (chewed the blotter a while and swallowed). What happened was that there were hardly any unpleasant effects at all, just slight stomach discomfort. Every other time I used LSZ I had quite unpleasant nausea and agitation for the first 3 hours or so. Now, I can't say that it was actually pleasant but it was only slightly UNpleasant, which is good for LSZ. It was like a low dose of LSD without the pleasurable physical aspects or pronounced visuals thereof. To me, LSD has an almost amphetamine-like body orgasm type quality and LSZ just doesn't have that for me. On the plus side there were only slight tremors whereas LSD has rather severe tremors in may case.

My overall impression of the LSZ/Kudzu trip is that it was something to do but I wouldn't go out of my way to repeat it like I would with LSD. There is just no pleasurable reinforcing aspect to it that would compel me to repeat. The important thing, in regard to my experiment, is that the Kudzu did seem to have a positive effect but could not actually turn LSZ into LSD. Another thing I may try sometime is Curcumin, which is also supposed to be a 5-ht2c antagonist like Kudzu, which is why I thought Kudzu might cut the nausea etc in the first place. Kudzu on its own was insufficient to turn lead into gold, but it did make it considerably less leady, if you will. Kudzu is also reported to have 5-HT2a antagonism properties so that may actually have dulled the psychedelic effects of the LSZ somewhat. It didn't neutralize them though. It was still close to what I would expect from one blotter.

 

[theacidtest]

I'm rather excited to be trying LSZ for the first time tomorrow. I'll be taking 150 micrograms.

 

[black53]

I don't have much experience with lysergamides...do they cause strong vasoconstriction like the NBOMEs ?

For me:
AL-LAD - no bad bodyload (nausea, vasoconstriction, ..)
LSD - maybe some really minor hints of it but really minor
LSZ - same as LSD, perhaps a tiny bit worse

 

[Si Dread]

LSNope is an isotope of LSN, which of course stands for "Long Slender Noodles". Seriously though, I edited the post and changed that part for clarity. Some people just can't appreciate a cute acronym/word.

Good to see you back, & with the results of your experiment! Pity it didn't pan out, I guess LSz just isn't for you.

Do you smoke weed, tried that for nausea? Also, 150ug is a pretty conservative dose for anyone with experience tripping. If you've tripped more than 20 or 30 times, you should be pretty comfortable dosing twice that dose. In some cases with insensitive individuals the active dose needed is higher, & lower doses produce only body-load & other difficult physical or emotional phenomena. Before you give up on LSz altogether, might be worth trying a couple higher dose trips. Don't be shy to combine anti-nauseating compounds, provided you're doing so entirely safely of course. For instance, Lemon & Ginger tea, with a fat spliff as well as your Kudzu thingies, might help in combo like that.

Then agan, if you can get real acid, & you prefer it, might be worth keeping any LSz yo might have until you meet someone cool who's also dead eager to try it.

 

[jason7]

I did try two LSZ blotters once and I vomited. That's why I only used one for the Kudzu experiment but it did go smoothly enough that I probably could take 2 if I try it again. I have decided to just get real LSD for now though, since it's available at reasonable prices in certain online markets which of course I can't name. I don't think anything else is going to work as a substitute really. I tried a lot of different RC psychs from NBOMes to psilocybin derivatives to AL-LAD and LSZ and none of them were anywhere near real LSD for me. I actually threw all of them out recently except the LSZ. There was no way I was ever going to take another hit of NBOMe so why even keep it around? Same with the 2CE, 2CI, escaline, allylescaline, MET and 5 meo-DALT. All that stuff was piling up and I had an aversion to every one of them so I had to dump them. Not good having all that shit around anyway really.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^Fuck dude, you should have sent everything but the nbomes to me!

 

[perpetualdawn]

^^Please tell me you didn't *actually* dump your AL-LAD!! That will make many trippers cry

 

[theacidtest]

Well, I finally tried LSZ. Myself and two friends (who we'll call G and M) went camping and each took 150 micrograms. We took our doses at 9:00PM, the blotter was held in our gums for approximately 15 minutes before being swallowed. What surprised me most was the duration of the come up. It took over two hours to really start tripping. About two and a half hours into the experience, I could tell we were peaking. Of the three of us, no one experienced any nausea or discomfort, nor was there vasoconstriction to any degree. Apart from the long and very gradual onset, we found it to be almost indistinguishable from LSD. This was M's first psychedelic experience, but G and I have done LSD dozens upon dozens of times. We both agreed that apart from onset and duration, it was almost an identical experience.

The major differences I was able to distinguish were:

Duration: It took over two hours to begin feeling effects- far longer than any time that I've used LSD, whether in blotter or liquid form. Also, the peak seemed to last about 5 full hours and tapered off very gradually.

Stimulation: It definitely seemed less stimulating than LSD usually is for me. Usually LSD is almost somewhat "speedy" for lack of a better word. Not in an amphetamine way, but I usually find it extremely energizing. LSZ however, was much more relaxed. I certainly would not have been able to fall asleep, but I wasn't overcome with an urge to run around like a lunatic either. So I guess I would sum it up as being neither stimulating nor sedating, but very comfortably in between.

Apart from that, it really seemed like any other LSD trip. Even the differences noted above could be written off as unique to that particular trip, as trips do vary wildly sometimes with LSD. I'll need to try it again several more times, as well as incrementally increasing dosage, to see if the noted differences continue to manifest or if any other differences become apparent. Also, I have to state that I think I find LSZ to be somewhat weaker in dosage than LSD. Either that or my LSD has always just been very strong (a possibility as I'm in California). I base this on the fact that 150 micrograms of LSZ seemed equivalent to one hit of good LSD, which I've always guessed was about 100 micrograms. But this is speculatory, as I have no way of knowing exactly what the dosage of my LSD blotter has been.

Visually it was decent, but about in line with a trip from one good hit of LSD. Some very light patterning and everything definitely had that "LSD High Definition" look to it. The body high (or body load I suppose) seemed less intense than LSD which for some people may be nice, but I've always loved how my body feels on LSD. I'm sure more of a body high will manifest with higher dosage though.

In summary, it was great! Loved the experience, it was very very much like LSD. I will be trying this again soon, I'm just waiting long enough to ensure that my tolerance is back to normal.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Great report theacidtest.

My single trial with LSZ agrees very much with all your observations. It was very much like LSD, but slower come up, and I would say less stimulating as well. Also, the potency was about the same as a typical acid tab that I assume to be 100ug.

 

[jason7]

^^Please tell me you didn't *actually* dump your AL-LAD!! That will make many trippers cry

No, I had only bought 3 AL-LADs and I used them all up long ago. I didn't like it though. One hit was like a very light acid trip with very slight visual effects and two was actually quite unpleasant with nasty tremors and general all over bad body feeling. The visuals were something like acid but not as enjoyable. It was like a bunch of squashed down acid visuals like my visual field was all a bunch of squarish areas filled with lines. It wasn't even pretty to look at like acid visuals are.

Regarding the other stuff I chucked out, it could all gag a maggot. I got tired of looking at them so they all had to go, and by go I mean washing them down the sink.

Regarding LSZ being almost indistinguishable from acid, as some people have commented, I didn't find that. I found that it had really weak visuals that were only very slightly acid-like. I could tell that I took a serotonergic substance but it was only vaguely similar to acid for me.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^Seven whole grams man... Jees. That's just straight depressing

 

[Si Dread]

I am agree, heartbreaking ain't it? Hang your head in shame

 

[jason7]

I edited out the quantities later, but yeah I did chuck out 7 grams of 2CE. It just had too much bodyload and I didn't even find it had good visuals. Basically it just made me feel like crap without even a decent visual payoff. Why ever torture myself with that again? I suppose I might have been able to sell it to somebody but just too much trouble really. Its only good point was the short duration. Nope, no more substituted PEAs for me, nor tryptamines. Those also cause too much nausea and other bodyload.

Lysergamides are the only good psychs for me. Granted, they are a tryptamine of sorts, but not a crude tryptamine, a much more elaborated one which seems to make it much more refined in its effects. Why use crude compounds and get all kinds of nasty side effects when there's a much more advanced compound available? When you have steak available you don't really want to eat that soy burger anymore.

About LSZ, from what I've been reading in forums it looks like the trick to getting a good solid trip is to take fairly high doses, like 3 or more blotters. I haven't tried more than 2 since I got sick from that. I did eat some grapes right before the LSZ though, which may not have been a great idea.

 

[theacidtest]

My girlfriend and one of her friends tried LSZ last night based on my recommendation. As I stated a little bit ago in this thread, myself and an experienced friend suffered no ill effects and found it to be indistinguishable from LSD. My girlfriend and her friend, however, did not have nearly the same experience. She says she experienced:

-Heavy pressure on thyroid area
-Cramps
-Feverish
-Clenching jaw
-All around physically uncomfortable​