Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread
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Better late than never: I finally sampled a full 150 µg blotter that had been sitting in a drawer for months.
Previous commenters here weren't joking when they said there was no visuals. No morphing, no CEV. But an incredibly useful mindfuck.
I am very happy I managed to get myself to do what I actually had planned to do during the trip: read a fascinating a book on spacetime physics. Usually reading while tripping is problematic when the letters morph around before your eyes. Not a problem here!
It's all I did for hours and hours, and it brought me some incredible insights.
So yeah, I loved it. It was more mental and serious than AL-LAD, or even LSD. And my experiences with AL-LAD were a lot more visual and "less serious" (read: "more fun"!)
Previous commenters here weren't joking when they said there was no visuals. No morphing, no CEV. But an incredibly useful mindfuck.
I am very happy I managed to get myself to do what I actually had planned to do during the trip: read a fascinating a book on spacetime physics. Usually reading while tripping is problematic when the letters morph around before your eyes. Not a problem here!
It's all I did for hours and hours, and it brought me some incredible insights.
So yeah, I loved it. It was more mental and serious than AL-LAD, or even LSD. And my experiences with AL-LAD were a lot more visual and "less serious" (read: "more fun"!)
perpetualdawn
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Interesting report ZFC. Did you find reading comprehension at all impaired on LSZ? Sounds like you had no troubles, but Sometimes I find it difficult to read on PDs, because of distractibility, or getting too deep into analyzing the meaning of words and phrases etc. So what was your experience like wrt this?
Well reading per se was not at all impaired, neither was comprehension. But I did find myself reading a paragraph, and then hanging there thinking about it and all its fascinating implications for 20 minutes (I don't call that being distracted). So I wouldn't say I was reading faster, I was actually reading slower, but this is because of all the fascinating insights caused by the reading.
Jesusgreen
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Has anyone taken 150ug LSZ soon after taking AL-LAD and experienced little/no tolerance? I experience little tolerance dosing LSD fairly often (I did it every few days 6x once) to the euphoria or headspace but the visuals were greatly reduced. Is this the same case here and how long would you recommend waiting?
I'm normally patient but I'm itching to try LSZ since I don't like having myself a stash anymore and don't want to build up a collection like I once did. I also have 2mg of 25D-NBOMe to try and that'll be tried last for obvious reasons.
Personally I'm hoping for PRO-LAD and ETH-LAD to appear after hhow wonderful I found Ethyl and Propyl (and Propoxy) psychedelics - bad thing to go on but eh.
I'm normally patient but I'm itching to try LSZ since I don't like having myself a stash anymore and don't want to build up a collection like I once did. I also have 2mg of 25D-NBOMe to try and that'll be tried last for obvious reasons.
Personally I'm hoping for PRO-LAD and ETH-LAD to appear after hhow wonderful I found Ethyl and Propyl (and Propoxy) psychedelics - bad thing to go on but eh.
apparently lsz can be visual!
i say this because my previous trial at the same dose (150ug) were all devoid of anything visual except a bit of wavy ness to things... and no CEVs at all.
not so when in combos. LSZ taken after 3h from dropping ~0,75 mg DOC made everything very visual indeed. neither chem on its own would have given me the amount of visuals i had. heck it was about the same level as allad in this regard... still a pretty nice chem to have around.
@JG if you want to experience the full spectrum and power of a chem you already know the answer to your question... meaning you have to wait a while to be sure you get 100% effects. otherwise you can go ahead and trip a bit im sure but you ll keep having the impression that perhaps it wouldve been better had you waited a bit longer
i say this because my previous trial at the same dose (150ug) were all devoid of anything visual except a bit of wavy ness to things... and no CEVs at all.
not so when in combos. LSZ taken after 3h from dropping ~0,75 mg DOC made everything very visual indeed. neither chem on its own would have given me the amount of visuals i had. heck it was about the same level as allad in this regard... still a pretty nice chem to have around.
@JG if you want to experience the full spectrum and power of a chem you already know the answer to your question... meaning you have to wait a while to be sure you get 100% effects. otherwise you can go ahead and trip a bit im sure but you ll keep having the impression that perhaps it wouldve been better had you waited a bit longer
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Please use this thread to discuss LSZ's effects, pharmacology, and availability (within the PD guidelines). Allowing this to become a social thread or a lysergamides thread makes it challenging to research a compound from the thread.
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bropiate
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Edit: TL;DR is at the bottom
Well three, maybe four (it sure feels like two sets of two blotters inside the vacuum pack but I don't want to break the seal until I'm gonna drop it due to concerns of it breaking down faster than normal acid or AL-LAD, which the vendors seem to suggest on things like SOS) 150ug tabs made their way to me in the post today and I'll probably be dropping two of them mid afternoon on Friday. This thread seems to be rife with heavily mixed reports although some seem to be from people wanting the perfect psychedelic experience then being disappointed due to things like nausea or body load. I really hope I get at least something of a visual experience as the previous 'acid' I had were two purple microdots which seemed to cumulatively be only a threshold dose (probably due to me swallowing what was likely a NBOMe).
If they seem to be weak after +2h I'll probably up my dose to 375/450 and see where I get from there, though only if I'm in a position where I won't inadvertently wreak havoc on all around me or freak out uncontrollably.
I'll try and keep a notepad on hand so I can write up a blow-by-blow report for you guys since LSZ receives much less coverage than AL-LAD and the reports seem to be heavily conflicting.
Just for the record the blotters are in a silver vacuum sealed packet (labeled with the full molecular name, a picture of the molecule and it's CAS number) which is currently being stored in my freezer so the only time the molecule could have degraded is when it was in transit to me, which according to when I got an 'item shipped' email would have been two days, but the possibility of a fourth tab hints that they may have forgotten to send the letter (first class post always arrives next day in ~95% of cases), depending on how the vendors store their product before shipping I hope to be getting a minimally degraded sample.
If the experience turns out to be shit and I still have some Z left over, I'll order some AL-LAD this week and do a trip report on a dual 300mcg dose the following Friday. If the experience turns out well I'll be happy that a second legal ergoloid can be added to my arsenal, which seems to be the way to go since the acid scene has gotten a little too much "Make profit, fuck customers over, pass off cheaper, shittier chemicals as LSD" in any case I'll probably want to bring either Al or Lizzie with me to the Netherlands this summer, just in case I can't find good cid there.
Apologies if I'm rambling a bit, I tend to do that; expect many edits as well.
TL;DR - Got 3 (maybe four) 150ug blotters of LSZ in the post today, I'll drop a 300mcg dose mid afternoon on Friday and write up a comprehensive trip report, the LSZ is stored in a way to help slow degradation of the sample which should help give a more accurate report on Z's effects.
Well three, maybe four (it sure feels like two sets of two blotters inside the vacuum pack but I don't want to break the seal until I'm gonna drop it due to concerns of it breaking down faster than normal acid or AL-LAD, which the vendors seem to suggest on things like SOS) 150ug tabs made their way to me in the post today and I'll probably be dropping two of them mid afternoon on Friday. This thread seems to be rife with heavily mixed reports although some seem to be from people wanting the perfect psychedelic experience then being disappointed due to things like nausea or body load. I really hope I get at least something of a visual experience as the previous 'acid' I had were two purple microdots which seemed to cumulatively be only a threshold dose (probably due to me swallowing what was likely a NBOMe).
If they seem to be weak after +2h I'll probably up my dose to 375/450 and see where I get from there, though only if I'm in a position where I won't inadvertently wreak havoc on all around me or freak out uncontrollably.
I'll try and keep a notepad on hand so I can write up a blow-by-blow report for you guys since LSZ receives much less coverage than AL-LAD and the reports seem to be heavily conflicting.
Just for the record the blotters are in a silver vacuum sealed packet (labeled with the full molecular name, a picture of the molecule and it's CAS number) which is currently being stored in my freezer so the only time the molecule could have degraded is when it was in transit to me, which according to when I got an 'item shipped' email would have been two days, but the possibility of a fourth tab hints that they may have forgotten to send the letter (first class post always arrives next day in ~95% of cases), depending on how the vendors store their product before shipping I hope to be getting a minimally degraded sample.
If the experience turns out to be shit and I still have some Z left over, I'll order some AL-LAD this week and do a trip report on a dual 300mcg dose the following Friday. If the experience turns out well I'll be happy that a second legal ergoloid can be added to my arsenal, which seems to be the way to go since the acid scene has gotten a little too much "Make profit, fuck customers over, pass off cheaper, shittier chemicals as LSD" in any case I'll probably want to bring either Al or Lizzie with me to the Netherlands this summer, just in case I can't find good cid there.
Apologies if I'm rambling a bit, I tend to do that; expect many edits as well.
TL;DR - Got 3 (maybe four) 150ug blotters of LSZ in the post today, I'll drop a 300mcg dose mid afternoon on Friday and write up a comprehensive trip report, the LSZ is stored in a way to help slow degradation of the sample which should help give a more accurate report on Z's effects.
perpetualdawn
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Why don't you just skip telling us your plans, and report in after you have completed them instead? I never understand why people make posts like the above.
my quote button isn't working ( ? )
To the guy above perpetual dawn :
"If they seem to be weak after +2h I'll probably up my dose to 375/450 and see where I get from there"
Don't think that'll work. I think that'll just extend duration. Could be wrong but fairly sure.
And don't sit there with a note pad, just enjoy ! :D
To the guy above perpetual dawn :
"If they seem to be weak after +2h I'll probably up my dose to 375/450 and see where I get from there"
Don't think that'll work. I think that'll just extend duration. Could be wrong but fairly sure.
And don't sit there with a note pad, just enjoy ! :D
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I agree with this completely. Start writing notes when you're coming down and you're in the reflection stage of the trip.
I'll type up details of my experience with 375mcg LSZ later today.
bropiate
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Would you prefer people write down their plans or flood bluelight with "I just took X is Y going to happen to me now" threads? Writing down one's plans allows others to make suggestions as to possible alterations to that plan, like the two people below you. Encouraging people to post their plans also helps people who are less experienced not have a terrible experience, or in cases of other more dangerous drugs; end up dead. I'd say that making plans and letting others know about them is a good harm reductionist strategy, you can't change things once you've already taken the drug, so giving a day or two's notice, especially when it's your very first time trying a new and novel drug should be promoted heavily.
I've always enjoyed running around with a notepad jotting down notes in the first person while on acid, though you may well be right as it does seem to act as somewhat of an anchor and keep you from breaking into that really trippy headphase, so I may well just jot down notes toward the end of this trip. As for redosing at 2h not adding to the intensity, you may be correct; I guess I'll stick with 300 and if that fails try 150 Z and 150 AL-AD then write that up the following week.
I've always enjoyed running around with a notepad jotting down notes in the first person while on acid, though you may well be right as it does seem to act as somewhat of an anchor and keep you from breaking into that really trippy headphase, so I may well just jot down notes toward the end of this trip. As for redosing at 2h not adding to the intensity, you may be correct; I guess I'll stick with 300 and if that fails try 150 Z and 150 AL-AD then write that up the following week.
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perpetualdawn
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You're right, it's a good chance for the community to review and steer people away from any bad plans. I was probably feeling a bit grumpy when I posted that. But still I think if you are unsure of your dosage, you should pose it as a question to BL, otherwise it just comes off like rambling about your next trip.. which is cluttering.
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Trip report 150 ug LSZ blotter (LSZ marked on one side, molecule print on reverse)
Experience level - Low to high doses of LSD. Low to moderate doses Mescaline. Low to high doses psilocybin. Minimal experience with RCs. Very sensitive to psychedelics. 100- 120 UG LSD is enough for ego dissolution but have dosed as high as 500-700 ug. Most I have taken of psilocybin was just over two grams extremely potent "penis envy" strain. Resulted in full blown mystical experience and several year long after glow. Basically I feel that I am sensitive to psychedelics because many of my peers require more to get to the same place as I.
T-00 One third blotter is placed in mouth and lightly chewed (I figured, if allegedly "more potent than LSD" I should have felt more than threshold effects @ 50ug and decided to test this theory whilst getting my feet wet so to speak ). My partner in Crime, "S" decided to start with the same method of administration at 75ug. The taste was slightly bitter, exactly how normal LSD blotter taste to me, slightly bitter and metallic.
T-15 Im sensitive to tryptamines and ergolines, in fact Im sensitive to any shift in body sensations brought on by compounds so at this point I definatly felt off baseline, a general stimulation and mood lift not unlike what one would feel from a few espressos.
T-30 I and S decide to walk to the liquor store and pick up some beers to drink throughout the evening. Definatly feeling effects now. Frame like vision, laughter and humor comes easier, lights off of the cars are more noticeable. When we arrive at the store, upon entering I notice the effect I get with most psychs; dark to light environment is difficult for my eyes to adjust to. I notice that my whole visual field has that familiar "electric" overlay. Everything has that glow to it. I thought to myself "wow, at 50ug this seems very promising". At this point S is unsure if he feels anything.
T-45 We are back at the house and we make a fire in the front yard. I feel as though the LSZ is leveling off, but decide to give it another 15 minutes before titrating up. S says "fuck it" and eats his other half, now at 150ug , expressing hes not feeling much.
T-1:00 Administer another 50ug of my blotter now totaling at 100ug. And go back outside to the fire and crack a beer with S, some caual conversation begins and I notice some pretty extreme time dilation and colors become rather interesting. S grabs some glowsticks to fuck around with tracers. There appeared to be some weak tracers and I was beginning to wonder if this stuff was going to take off soon or not.
T-2:00 - 3:00 All effects previously noted are now more pronounced but nothing "magical" is happening in regards to headspace or visuals. My visual field appeared more interesting and time dilation felt rather extreme, although this could be due to the fact that we were "waiting" for something to happen. More casual conversation ensued, beers continued to crack open and the fire was glowing. Headspace became slightly difficult but was easy to manage. A bit of anxiety and worry infiltrated my thoughts. I began to think about my GF and the fights we were having lately. Along with this some uneasy body sensations crept up. Alhough this sort of thing happens co-morbidly for me when a headspace becomes uncomfortable. Im not sure which comes first the negative hedspace or body sensations. My visual field grows a little more interesting, I notice electric pinks and yellows mostly but NO OEV or CEV really develop from this. S is also feeling disappointed, as he says he feels something but its weak.
T-3:15 S suggests we go to the bars and get around people, try and have some fun. Im not feeling social so Im trying to convince him to stay behind with me. Somehow we decide to part ways and I go to my room and take the final 50ug. Now Im on a total of 150 ug, but I feel that this is just dragging this "twighlight zone like" effect out. Just feeling caught in a limbo like state which never really takes off.
T-3:45- 4:15 S leaves to the bar and at this point Im not really worried about and decide to occupy my time browsing the webs in my room. Headspace stays the same, visual effects still the same.
T-5:00 - 7:00 I continue to browse the internet with no change in effect and Im getting rather bored so I just continue to increase my alcohol buzz with beer. Meanwhile S and I are texting back and forth. He reports feeling extreme time dilation and being extraordinarily social. He says hes having a very stimulating time with some distortion and morphing of objects in his peripheral but not much in regards to patterning OEVs/CEVs. He says its "ok" but nothing to write home about.
T-7:00 - 8:00 More or less baseline, at least headspace wise. Visual effects still present but weaker and less interesting. S claims hes still going but not really excited about the effects. He comes home and suggests we drop the 25c-nbome he had stashed away...he was really pushy about it but I resisted , as it was 3:00am.....finally I gave in.....but that is A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY FOR ANOTHER TIME :D
Conclusion. Even when taking threshold amounts of LSD I feel its "magic" so to speak. LSD felt more prominent in the visual department as opposed to LSZ headspace/time dilation. Im wondering if the LSZ was actually more around 100ug because the alleged 50ug felt nearly exactly about 20-30 ug of LSD. There is no doubt a "Lysergic feel" and it was clearly a cousin of LSD and had I taken it thinking it was LSD I wouldn't have argued. I don't know if it was due to the way I staggered my doses but this stuff felt as though it just draaaaagged. It could also be due to LSZ longer duration in come up, because when I stagger LSD doses this way I feel it increase in intensity with every titration. This wasn't the case with LSZ. It just felt like it lengthened the threshold effects. I also felt as though this stuff had more of a "sedating" effect similar to psilocybin and felt rather tryptamine like to me while still maintaining a strong lysergic headspace/body buzz. LSZ sort of left a bad taste in my mouth because had I taken a low-dose of LSD, I feel I would have still felt some "magic" and there probably would have been a little more going in the visual department. If I try LSZ again I will take a whole tab at once at very least and maybe this will give me a better feel for it but Im not too sure because S took his dose in two parts and he titrated to his total 150ug much sooner than I did and did not report very interesting effects. One last thing to note is that I never get bodyload from psychedelics exceptthe occasional anxiety/overexcitement and that no exception to LSZ. Little to no body load reported from S or I. All in all, I feel as of now that LSZ is less interesting than LSD. Thanks for reading.
Experience level - Low to high doses of LSD. Low to moderate doses Mescaline. Low to high doses psilocybin. Minimal experience with RCs. Very sensitive to psychedelics. 100- 120 UG LSD is enough for ego dissolution but have dosed as high as 500-700 ug. Most I have taken of psilocybin was just over two grams extremely potent "penis envy" strain. Resulted in full blown mystical experience and several year long after glow. Basically I feel that I am sensitive to psychedelics because many of my peers require more to get to the same place as I.
T-00 One third blotter is placed in mouth and lightly chewed (I figured, if allegedly "more potent than LSD" I should have felt more than threshold effects @ 50ug and decided to test this theory whilst getting my feet wet so to speak ). My partner in Crime, "S" decided to start with the same method of administration at 75ug. The taste was slightly bitter, exactly how normal LSD blotter taste to me, slightly bitter and metallic.
T-15 Im sensitive to tryptamines and ergolines, in fact Im sensitive to any shift in body sensations brought on by compounds so at this point I definatly felt off baseline, a general stimulation and mood lift not unlike what one would feel from a few espressos.
T-30 I and S decide to walk to the liquor store and pick up some beers to drink throughout the evening. Definatly feeling effects now. Frame like vision, laughter and humor comes easier, lights off of the cars are more noticeable. When we arrive at the store, upon entering I notice the effect I get with most psychs; dark to light environment is difficult for my eyes to adjust to. I notice that my whole visual field has that familiar "electric" overlay. Everything has that glow to it. I thought to myself "wow, at 50ug this seems very promising". At this point S is unsure if he feels anything.
T-45 We are back at the house and we make a fire in the front yard. I feel as though the LSZ is leveling off, but decide to give it another 15 minutes before titrating up. S says "fuck it" and eats his other half, now at 150ug , expressing hes not feeling much.
T-1:00 Administer another 50ug of my blotter now totaling at 100ug. And go back outside to the fire and crack a beer with S, some caual conversation begins and I notice some pretty extreme time dilation and colors become rather interesting. S grabs some glowsticks to fuck around with tracers. There appeared to be some weak tracers and I was beginning to wonder if this stuff was going to take off soon or not.
T-2:00 - 3:00 All effects previously noted are now more pronounced but nothing "magical" is happening in regards to headspace or visuals. My visual field appeared more interesting and time dilation felt rather extreme, although this could be due to the fact that we were "waiting" for something to happen. More casual conversation ensued, beers continued to crack open and the fire was glowing. Headspace became slightly difficult but was easy to manage. A bit of anxiety and worry infiltrated my thoughts. I began to think about my GF and the fights we were having lately. Along with this some uneasy body sensations crept up. Alhough this sort of thing happens co-morbidly for me when a headspace becomes uncomfortable. Im not sure which comes first the negative hedspace or body sensations. My visual field grows a little more interesting, I notice electric pinks and yellows mostly but NO OEV or CEV really develop from this. S is also feeling disappointed, as he says he feels something but its weak.
T-3:15 S suggests we go to the bars and get around people, try and have some fun. Im not feeling social so Im trying to convince him to stay behind with me. Somehow we decide to part ways and I go to my room and take the final 50ug. Now Im on a total of 150 ug, but I feel that this is just dragging this "twighlight zone like" effect out. Just feeling caught in a limbo like state which never really takes off.
T-3:45- 4:15 S leaves to the bar and at this point Im not really worried about and decide to occupy my time browsing the webs in my room. Headspace stays the same, visual effects still the same.
T-5:00 - 7:00 I continue to browse the internet with no change in effect and Im getting rather bored so I just continue to increase my alcohol buzz with beer. Meanwhile S and I are texting back and forth. He reports feeling extreme time dilation and being extraordinarily social. He says hes having a very stimulating time with some distortion and morphing of objects in his peripheral but not much in regards to patterning OEVs/CEVs. He says its "ok" but nothing to write home about.
T-7:00 - 8:00 More or less baseline, at least headspace wise. Visual effects still present but weaker and less interesting. S claims hes still going but not really excited about the effects. He comes home and suggests we drop the 25c-nbome he had stashed away...he was really pushy about it but I resisted , as it was 3:00am.....finally I gave in.....but that is A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY FOR ANOTHER TIME :D
Conclusion. Even when taking threshold amounts of LSD I feel its "magic" so to speak. LSD felt more prominent in the visual department as opposed to LSZ headspace/time dilation. Im wondering if the LSZ was actually more around 100ug because the alleged 50ug felt nearly exactly about 20-30 ug of LSD. There is no doubt a "Lysergic feel" and it was clearly a cousin of LSD and had I taken it thinking it was LSD I wouldn't have argued. I don't know if it was due to the way I staggered my doses but this stuff felt as though it just draaaaagged. It could also be due to LSZ longer duration in come up, because when I stagger LSD doses this way I feel it increase in intensity with every titration. This wasn't the case with LSZ. It just felt like it lengthened the threshold effects. I also felt as though this stuff had more of a "sedating" effect similar to psilocybin and felt rather tryptamine like to me while still maintaining a strong lysergic headspace/body buzz. LSZ sort of left a bad taste in my mouth because had I taken a low-dose of LSD, I feel I would have still felt some "magic" and there probably would have been a little more going in the visual department. If I try LSZ again I will take a whole tab at once at very least and maybe this will give me a better feel for it but Im not too sure because S took his dose in two parts and he titrated to his total 150ug much sooner than I did and did not report very interesting effects. One last thing to note is that I never get bodyload from psychedelics exceptthe occasional anxiety/overexcitement and that no exception to LSZ. Little to no body load reported from S or I. All in all, I feel as of now that LSZ is less interesting than LSD. Thanks for reading.
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Xorkoth
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Thanks for sharing a detailed report. I am willing to bet a large sum of money that your experience would have been significantly stronger and different had you taken it all at once, or taken 100ug at first and then a 50ug redose. Tolerance to psychedelics develops very quickly, so staggering doses is a good way to make the effects substantially stronger. I find that unless I redose substantially larger than the original dose, beyond the an short initial time period, the nature of the first dose will dominate the rest of the trip.
I am willing to bet a large sum of money that your experience would have been significantly stronger and different had you taken it all at once, or taken 100ug at first and then a 50ug redose. Tolerance to psychedelics develops very quickly, so staggering doses is a good way to make the effects substantially stronger. I find that unless I redose substantially larger than the original dose, beyond the an short initial time period, the nature of the first dose will dominate the rest of the trip.
al-laddin
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YOu are probably correct in your assumption , especially with this compound in particular, as I seemed to develop a more rapid tolerance than with LSD. As I stated Ive done this with LSD before and titration resulted in rapid increase of effects , even if the doses weren't any larger than the initial. I think this may be due to slower onset of LSZ...it was toooooo sloooow to be interesting.
But you are right I will try it again in the method that you mention. Have you tried Al-LAD? Do you like one more than the other?
But you are right I will try it again in the method that you mention. Have you tried Al-LAD? Do you like one more than the other?