The Big & Dandy Ketamine Thread (Third Injection)

[mydeepestblue]

What does Ketamine feel like?

Does it feel anything like rolling?

 

[cacophonaut]

Its a dissociative anaesthetic, so not really imo. It has been described (in particular by John Lily) as inducing what is for all intents and purposes a lucid dream state. Loss of motor function, disconnectedness with the body, suppression of sensory input...peaking in the k-hole, a phenomenon most people think of as an "out-of-body" experience.

Whereas MDMA heightens some sensory sensitivity (touch, light and sound all seem amplified and extremely pleasurable), tends to boost energy, and fills you with an entactogenic warmth and euphoria.

 

[swilow]

^That.

Feels exactly like dreaming.

 

[Solipsis]

Lots of people get a portion of MDMA-like effects initially at low doses. Becoming more sociable, enthousiastic and euphoric though not as intensely as MDMA by far.
It's very easy to overshoot the dose as well, if it gets any higher than this low dose - because if you like it much and do another bump because of that it can add up if its soon... beyond those low-dose effects you get dissociation from those superficially recreational feelings, things become weird, you become detached, the experience becomes trippy.

Please do not think they are really comparable if I say this, its only that low doses can be enjoyable in a similar way. I'd only do it if you are ready to get dissociated as well though, just to be sure.

 

[Shambles]

Yup. I would agree they are about the same duration with IM being possible slightly longer. Kinda hard to say exactly when a dose wears off I find as even after the hole there tends to be a period of lingering otherworldliness that slowly fades out. For me at least. I'd say approximately an hour or so via the nose or the muscle at a rough estimate.

As for IV use as mentioned above, there's a whole separate thread discussing that ROA - you can find the linky in the first post of this thread. I love IV ket but is certainly not to all tastes. I also agree that it's nigh-on impossible to hole via the IV route - mainly due to brevity of the experience, I would think. I find it very valuable in other ways sometimes though. The intensity and downright lushness of the rush is a Thing of Beauty, to be sure

 

[bighooter]

its a shame the rush only lasts 7 seconds then you pass out

 

[Shambles]

You only pass out with IV shots if you dose too high. Try lowering your dose a bit. From reading your posts I suspect you have a bit of a tolerance like myself though and it is definitely hard to walk the line between shooting and overshooting with IV ket and a high tolerance. But it can be done with a lil careful titration

 

[bighooter]

imo its way too hard to hit the rush, yesterday i IV'd 130mg and didnt feel hardly anything let alone a rush. The other day I IV'd 190mg and still didnt rush or black out

 

[Shambles]

Need to let your tolerance drop then, I'm afraid

I was IVing 500mg (not in one pin, obviously) a go at regular intervals for a while last year and not blacking out. Still got the rush but the actual duration of the trip was short as hell (even by IV K standards) and not all that intense either.

Took a break of at least 6 months and can now hole again nasally at reasonable doses, not so easy holing with IM doses still (bizarrely) and only tried IV a coupla times with barely any effect. Odd that snorting works again but it seems to. Breaks are useful... if also disappointingly necessary.

 

[bighooter]

Need to let your tolerance drop then, I'm afraid

I was IVing 500mg (not in one pin, obviously) a go at regular intervals for a while last year and not blacking out. Still got the rush but the actual duration of the trip was short as hell (even by IV K standards) and not all that intense either.

Took a break of at least 6 months and can now hole again nasally at reasonable doses, not so easy holing with IM doses still (bizarrely) and only tried IV a coupla times with barely any effect. Odd that snorting works again but it seems to. Breaks are useful... if also disappointingly necessary.

i thought your tolerance never really drops with k?

if so does it ever go back to like how it was when you first started

 

[Shambles]

It does drop eventually but never seems to totally reset. Can only really hole nasally at the moment but am amazed at how little it takes compared to last year when I could get through several grammes a day without a hint of hole. Around 300mg nasally pretty much holes me at the moment. 300-400mg IM does very little and IV still doesn't do it for me either. Very odd the way tolerance has only dropped for one ROA but not complaining considering the point I was at with tolerance a while back. Must be worth taking a break to see how it goes if 150-200mg IV isn't doing much anymore, no? Certainly can't hurt and may well help a lot

 

[bighooter]

ye i definatly need to stop as im becoming so apathetic it is beyond a joke, all I seem to be ablt to think about is when I will next be doing k ive lost interest in everything and have to get my life back on track otherwise i'm going to end up a bum.

 

[helium-4]

I find it is not hard to get lost into k like that. K can create world so intriguing and awe inspiring, on top of having wonderful euphoric properties, that it makes its lure pretty large.

I find that when a lot of life is moving in a positive direction and a positive attitude already exists, k's true anti-depressant effects come out. I find it easier to limit myself with its use, and create a desire to use it merely as a supplement for my day. Just enough k with a good mood will make it easy to get out of bed. It helps strip away the rest of my anxiety and makes the world seem a little bit more relaxed.

 

[shreem]

on the other hand you should not justify the existence of anxiety and work to solve it with and without drugs ,

 

[helium-4]

Of course, behavior therapy is very important for any sort of medicating.

though I will say, I don't see how 35mg every 2-3 days would be problematic, let alone everyday. Even when taking Zn, or Mg supplements you will be antagonize your NMDA receptors, and its been shown to have a positive effect on memory and mood. There really hasn't been anything shown to say small doses of ketamine once daily would have an adverse effect on the kidneys, or any other organ, let alone the nervous system. It is potentially beneficial for nervous system functioning and general well being.

My nose might be casualty in the long run, though I've never tried to take it daily at such a low dose.

 

[bighooter]

Of course, behavior therapy is very important for any sort of medicating.

though I will say, I don't see how 35mg every 2-3 days would be problematic, let alone everyday. Even when taking Zn, or Mg supplements you will be antagonize your NMDA receptors, and its been shown to have a positive effect on memory and mood. There really hasn't been anything shown to say small doses of ketamine once daily would have an adverse effect on the kidneys, or any other organ, let alone the nervous system. It is potentially beneficial for nervous system functioning and general well being.

My nose might be casualty in the long run, though I've never tried to take it daily at such a low dose.

my nose is completely fcuked from too much abuse of k for a year or 2 of near enough daily sniffing anywhere from 1- 4grams a nights.

My sinuses are completely blocked and ive been told to stop otherwise i will suffer permanent damage, my hearing has also been affected coz its connected with the sinuses.

 

[psood0nym]

I have puked after snorting ketamine a few times. One night I puked thrice, I think. Even IMing it for the first few times made me nauseous. But I do not have motion sickness in the least, so I discredit that theory, at least for me.

I don't have motion sickness, either, but I still used to get nauseated on ketamine (I've seemingly grown out of it now). Though you may very well be correct that ketamine nausea has nothing to do with motion sickness-like phenomena (in other words, it could be due to our body registering ketamine as a poison that needs to be purged purely chemical detection means), the fact that you don't get motion sickness normally is not necessarily evidence against the ketamine-mediated "virutual" motion sickness proposed. Regular motion sickness has to do with non-correspondence between visual input and the sensory information we are receiving from our sense of balance, wheres the proposed virtual motion sickness's exact mechanism of action is unknown, though it is proposed to be mediated through a similar, but not exactly the same, non-correspondence of sensory signals.

The proposed ketamine-mediated virtual motion sickness could, for instance, owe not to a non-correspondence between visual and vestibular signals, but to a delay in reception of sensations (whatever their source, vestibular or otherwise) relayed through largely NMDA mediated neural pathways versus those sensations less contingent on NMDA mediated signaling pathways (because ketamine inhibits NMDA-mediated signals). For example, the delay could be in our visual feedback of the position of our limbs with our proprioceptive feedback ("proprioception" tells us of the position of our limbs non-visually) of the position of our limbs, and not have anything to due with vestibular feedback (the vestibular system is responsible for our sense of balance). I'm not saying this is the fact of the matter, I just mean to give a hypothetical example of how the exact mechanism of ketamine-mediate virtual motion sickness could be different than the type of motion sickness experienced by some while totally sober, while retaining the essential element of non-correspondence between the conscious reception of sensory signals.

 

[burn out]

i IM'ed ketamine for the first time tonight. I know it's been said, but it's great. No drip, no damage to my nose.

Have a couple questions:

1) it seems like I.M. lasts shorter than snorting. Anyone agree?

2) How do you guys deal with the comedown? I find that for many hours after taking ketamine I can't sleep and feel quite spaced out.

 

[psood0nym]

^
1. Yep.
2. Liquor and OTC sleeping pills. Voila!

 

[helium-4]

I don't mind the after effects of k unless I should be studying, but at that point its clear that it was my fault for the bad time frame for tripping.

A bit of weed makes the k after effects real nice. Keeps the wonk alive.