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The Big & Dandy Ketamine Thread (Third Injection)

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Hahaa, it could have been that the MD was shit, the other people I was with complained on how it burned and I was like WTF lol, how would one know if there ketamine is pure ? Can u tell if a product is pure by simply looking at it ?
 
The only thing I've snorted is Ket so I can't compare it to anything but I was expecting it would be significantly worse than it was, a bit of a sting for less than a minute and that was it.

EDIT: I think the color is hint of purity, at least for DMT it is (and the ability to form crystals), or if you just know that your source is straight from a vet or something like that
 
psychedelic_lsd_me said:
Hahaa, it could have been that the MD was shit, the other people I was with complained on how it burned and I was like WTF lol, how would one know if there ketamine is pure ? Can u tell if a product is pure by simply looking at it ?
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By knowing your source... or by living in the UK where 99% of all "street" ket is pharm-grade and dirt cheap ;)

You certainly can't tell by simply looking at it though - even "pure" transparent crystal can be kut :\
 
I get car sick and was a tad bit nauseous at times during my first K-Trip, which was fine while I was tripping but was annoying when I could move around (ie a bit over an hour after doing it). In your experience and opinion would a Dramamine alleviate the nausea? Would it add any risk? And would it affect the experience?
 
^Ooo, try it. Many pages back, I forwarded the theory below that ketamine nausea could be due to a kind of "virtual" motion sickness and suggested someone who gets nausea from it try dramamine. Years ago, when I first tried ketamine, I would be totally fine so long as I stayed laying in bed during heavy doses, but walking around anymore than it takes to get to the bathroom every once in a while resulted in nausea. Yet if I take mescaline or other drugs I suspect evoke nausea through 5HT3 agonism, it doesn't matter how still I stay; I'm curious if ket nausea develops through a very different mechanism. I'd try it myself but my physiology has changed since those days and I don't get nauseated from ket anymore. BTW, naginnudej tried staying still and it worked.
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Whenever I do more than 75-100mg in one session I end up yaking (even with no food in my stomach). Anyone have any tips for avoiding this?
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Stay still! Seriously, that's it. Ketamine used to make me nauseated at similar dosage levels (though only IM; insufflated didn't cause nausea even at 100 mg, for whatever reason). My physiology has since changed, though, and I can now take larger doses without becoming nauseated. I wonder if dramamine would be effective at combating K nausea. It might be that the nausea from K is due to your brain having reduced interoceptive awareness of your body because of K's NDMA antagonism, which could theoretically cause "virtual" motion sickness on account of the delay between body movement and your brain's awareness of body movement. In other words, K slows down or distorts the signals to your brain that tell it about the timing of the movements of your body, and the difference in timing is interpreted as originating at some non-bodily source (like a boat on a wavy sea) because your brain is conditioned to expect signals within some "sober" millisecond range.
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Pure ketamine is very easy on the nose, imo, imo, dmt, lsd, xtc, oobe, etc. Mmm... minty freshness <3

Does tend to bung you up to a quite uncomfortable degree sometimes though. All that saltiness sucking all the moisture outta your nasals, I presume. If you really want to experience the heights of messiness try snorting ket with a cold ;)
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holed so hard when i was sick and did it. sucked going up there too
had to spray some afrin to get it all in haha
 
... If it truly "sucked up there" then down there may well not be for you... Tis a relative kinda thang... possibly... YMMV as ever :)

Was sorta kidding about the snotsnort thang - it gets better in other times. Promise :)<3

Or not.

YMMV.

And that.

K

<3
 
I have puked after snorting ketamine a few times. One night I puked thrice, I think. Even IMing it for the first few times made me nauseous. But I do not have motion sickness in the least, so I discredit that theory, at least for me.

And I never understood the addiction potential of ket until recently, IMing it. I finished the last of my 2g (which did last me about 2 weeks of weekend and sometimes random night usage) last Saturday and spent this week clamoring for it.
 
during my extensive testing on ket I found for me IM had a far quicker duration vs insulfation

I used to live near/in Mexico and its as easy as walking into the vet/pharmacy and buying vials then evaping if you want

one thing that was interesting of note was the varied potency I'd personally experience on substance that was evaped and consumed immediately vs the potency of ket that had been dried for a longer period of time

swear that shit would just not be as good - fresh = win

anyone else try out mainlining it?

Most people I've brought that up didn't believe i'd be brash enough to try that out but hey when sitting around in a room with a few vials and nothing to do you get bored with muscle pops and lines

IIRC I injected 1.5 cc's and it had very similar effect that the same quantity did via IM

I just could never hit a hole while injecting really - just me
 
What does would you go up to IM?
The duration is about the same for me with insufflation and IM.
 
Shambles said:
Pure ketamine is very easy on the nose, imo, imo, dmt, lsd, xtc, oobe, etc. Mmm... minty freshness <3

Does tend to bung you up to a quite uncomfortable degree sometimes though. All that saltiness sucking all the moisture outta your nasals, I presume. If you really want to experience the heights of messiness try snorting ket with a cold ;)
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Ketamine in the short term imo isn't that harsh on the nose, but with any sort of continuous use I find k to be a hell of a drug on the nose. I'll wake up with pretty bad nose pain and have to deal with ridiculous amount of mucous build up with a bit of blood mixed in. I will admit that I usually binge for a few weeks and take a couple month break with k, so I wouldn't be surprised if the two binges I have every year does a bit of damage to my mucous membranes.

I wish I didn't have a needle issue (passing out and what not), because there isn't anything that I want more than to experience an IM shot of k.

I will say though that I am curious on how much shorter the IM experience is in comparison with the snorted experience. I find that the major effects of a high dose k trip when snorted drops off pretty significantly around the +30-35 minute mark (atleast with the two last batches of k) which drives me nuts, and I couldn't really see myself enjoying a peak being much shorter.

Perhaps I should clarify the "no visuals" thing... I agree with Polidelaiko that k-holes are certainly not empty voids, but I don't think of what I see there as being visuals in the same way that acid, mushroooms, 2C-x, etc produce visuals. "Classic" psychedelic visuals are just distortions and/or enhancements of what I would see normally - rippling, waviness, colours, patterns and so on. What I "see" in a k-hole state is a whole new reality - a fully-formed "other place" that is as real as anywhere I have ever physically visited. I don't see it as being visuals so much as my entire consciousness visiting other realms - holdidays in hyperspace, as it were - rather than standard vision with knobs on as with most psychedelic visuals.
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K visuals are no where near your traditional psychedelic visuals and thats to be expected due to the huge difference in pharmacological action, but I still consider them very visual, especially CEVs. I would almost in a way equate them to dreams in that, there is a surprising clarity at points to the images or scenery being portrayed. Also, I really started to fall in love with the "OEVs" or like you've described, a new reality that lies before you eyes. It can get pretty damn manic sometimes, especially when you over shoot the k and come out of the blacked out state to the world around you constantly morphing into another world, but there is something very cool about it.
 
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The duration of IM and snorted k-holes are around the same for me, with maybe the IM experience even being slightly longer. I'll time myself next time.
 
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