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The Big & Dandy Ketamine Thread (Third Injection)

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303Thizz said:
Has anyone tried the ketamine trip combo film/audio available at some torrent sites? I just did the combo myself and was blown away. I would include a link but I think that would violate the BLUA.
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I'm a greenlighter so I can't PM, but I definitely plan on checking this out tomorrow night just out of sheer curiousity.
 
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I only recently got to know the wonders of ketamine, but holy shit it's a crazy substance. I first tried it orally by drinking 1 vial (500mg) on repeated doses and later on the same day consuming another one straight on one gulp. Trip reminded me alot of DXM, like being really really drunk but able to perceive the drunkenness consciously while robo-walking with a psychotic grin on my face...

...And then i wake up. I had completely lost my memory of rest of the day.

Next, some days later, i tried snorting it (dried 500mg divided among 3 people). We first took half of our doses which would be about 80-90mg and that send ?me? into a really interesting place. The other half of it, taken about 2 hours later did not. I noticed the same thing on latter occasions; first dose kicks in really hard but dosing again on same day on same dose gives only part of the goodness of the first line(s).

Now i'm currently in possession of 1 vial of K (Aneket 50mg/ml) and would like to IM it. Would 26 G 1/2" needles be ok for IM purposes? Is the needle too fine and too short or long? I read some topics on this and apparently the 26 G isn't too small, but what about the lenght? I'm really skinny though and weight currently only about 55 kg (that would be 121 lb). So i was thinking is 1/2" lenght ok? I have never injected anything and don't really know much about needles, so i need to do some research on proper IM technique before sticking it into my non-existant muscles... Which would be the best place to IM on first time if i want the safest and easiest place? Does it make a real difference on the trip whether the target is my arm or my buttocks? If i use those needles mentioned above, where should i inject then?

I want to get everything out of my K and thus snorting it is out of option. I already wasted 2 good vials up my nose (plus i really hate insufflating K for some reason, other substances not). By this administration i would only get about 3 K-hole'esque doses from the vial. It has soon been a week since my last dose, so do you think my tolerance has gone down? If not, how long should i wait in order to go holing with 50-70mg by IM? Or with as low dose as possible.

On the topic of different brands, has any of you tried Aneket? It contains Benzethonium chloride as preservative, and is made by Neon laboratories. Yellow package, black text. Is this brand meant for human use? Is it S+ isomer only? I have a feeling somebody said so in some ketamine thread here. Wasn't S+ supposed to be more potent than R+? If so, how come i can't seem to get so deep trip with the same dose as with other brands?

Aneket also feels somehow more "toxic/dirty" than other ketamines i've tried. After snorting total 2g of it on along a week it left me this lingering out-of-it-still-ketaminated weird feeling which lasted for many days. It felt like neural pathways in my brain had been cut and then sown back together on wrong order. Never did any others do that.
 
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I just recently got some great IM advice that made my life a whole lot easier.

26g and 1/2" will be fine, but if you're heavy you might want to go with 1". I have no problem reaching my muscle with 1/2". You will be able to feel the difference between the skin/fat and the muscles because the muscle is firmer. I'd never injected anything either, but I looked into it and got some advice on here and it worked out great. ((thanks again)) Also everybody says use lower gauge needles, but I've done fine with 30g.

My shoulders are the easiest spot for me to get into the muscle with. There is also less fat over the muscle in your shoulder so that'll work better for 1/2". I use my thighs too, just to switch it up so that I don't keep poking the same muscle over and over. I never felt a difference between thigh or shoulder. There are lots of diagrams on google for locating the right spot for IM injections.

Can't really answer any of your other questions. Have funnn.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=200632
 
A 1/2" syringe is long enough to reach muscle. Inject at the top of your thigh or your butt cheeks. Inject slowly (it takes me over minute to finish 100 units). IM will be approximately twice as potent as insufflated. Anaket is racemic, as is every brand except "Ketanest S". Making S isomer is more expensive and time consuming and any company that is going to bother with the process would explicitly advertise the fact that it's S in order to recoup on their investment; only Ketanest S does (in the name itself). I've never seen any evidence to substantiate all these claims that various brands have varying ratios of R/S. Getting Ketanest S or a custom synthesis of S are the only ways I know to obtain S.

It is far more likely that any "dirty" feelings you experience using pharmaceutical grade ketamine owe to your set and/or setting and expectancy bias rather than any intrinsic properties of the ketamine, as almost all pharmaceutical grade ketamine is intrinsically the same qualitatively (ketamine HCL 50:50 R/S), though brands can vary quantitatively (typically 50 mg/mL for humans or 100mg/mL for some veterinary grade). Do yourself a favor and be skeptical that ketamine brands differ. Not only is there no substantive evidence for it, but in believing it you make your internal experience contingent on an external event you have little control over (getting specific brands that may be difficult to obtain).
 
Thanks for the link abore i'm gonna start reading it right away:)

And great info on the brands psood0nym. Have you tried the Ketanest S by the way? Did you notice difference in trip between it and racemic?

You must be right about the dirty feelings being just in my head. It was just pretty weird that i felt like i was coming down for days from my last dose. Today was the first day i didn't feel like it anymore. Ate quite a lot of benzos last night and got a good sleep after many insomniac nights. The unability of sleeping must have affected my condition too.

But what's the deal with benzethonium chloride. I'm not saying it caused the "dirtiness" since many other brands contain it also, but is there any chance that it could make a difference in the experience? Does it cross the BBB and are the amounts enough to make a difference?
 
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Thanks for the link abore i'm gonna start reading it right away:)

And great info on the brands psood0nym. Have you tried the Ketanest S by the way? Did you notice difference in trip between it and racemic?

You must be right about the dirty feelings being just in my head. It was just pretty weird that i felt like i was coming down for days from my last dose. Today was the first day i didn't feel like it anymore. Ate quite a lot of benzos last night and got a good sleep after many insomniac nights. The unability of sleeping must have affected my condition too.

But what's the deal with benzethonium chloride. I'm not saying it caused the "dirtiness" since many other brands contain it also, but is there any chance that it could make a difference in the experience? Does it cross the BBB and are the amounts enough to make a difference?
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I've used powder sold as S from a vendor with a well-established online reputation three times. It felt more lucid and euphoric than a "typical" R/S experience, but that may have been my own expectation bias at work or simply a coincidence with how I felt or my physiological status during the period of its use. The difference wasn't radical enough for me to be able to plausibly attribute it to natural variation between experiences, which I experience quite a lot of using plain R/S.

I've read that benzethonium chloride can have effects of its own. It's possible that using any brands verified to have it may result in intrinsically different subjective experiences.
 
Bad K Alert from the Toronto Raver Information Project
http://www.tripproject.ca/trip/?q=node/1965

Bad K Alert
Please pass word along to any k users you know, especially if anyone's picked up anything unsual during the new years rush and are still sitting on it.


We've just received some reports of something being sold as k that apparently contains a substance with very dangerous side-effects. A user who purchased off an unknown source was hospitalized with very serious symptoms, including bleeding out the sides of their eyes. They were taken to a hospital in the GTA and the doctor they spoke with told them that they had seen multiple cases of this specifically related to ketamine use.

This is an unheard-of side-effect for actual ketamine, so this suggests that someone has decided to try not only cutting but actually 'faking' the batch with another active substance. There are pharmaceuticals on the market which can produce these side-effects in overdose situations.

Be very, very cautious right now and only go through trusted sources if you're going to be trying to purchase k. Ketamine in the city is widely reported as being in short supply, so if you're not certain that you've got a solid connect, it is highly recommended that you don't put much, if any, into your body.

We've been told that snorting this k causes a sensation of a chemical burn and it was loosely described as "shardy", but those details are vague.

We're working on getting more information and will pass it along as it becomes available, but this is serious enough that we wanted to let you know immediately.
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Have been having some odd timez with ket recently. My tolerance has been so obscenely high for ages now that it had become but a tease at best really but just recently I've started to be able to hole pretty deeply in the 200-300mg nasal range again. All well and good (woot!) but the really odd thing is that similar IM doses still do next to nothing to me. How can that possibly be? Not complaining cos being able to hole again after so long is made of uberwin but how can you break your IM muscle... as it were?
 
Ordered some needles and within a week or so I will be IMing ket for the first time!
I will probably take my usual intranasal dose before then because I so terribly miss the k-hole.
I'm thinking of going balls out and injecting 100mg on my first go. I am no stranger to dissociation. I have always felt ketamine a bit lacking in profundity and immersiveness compared to DXM which strikes most as heresy, so I want to be proven wrong.

Besides, what could be better than making a gram last 9-10 doses rather than 4-5?
 
The nasal dose beforehand really shouldn't be necessary, to be honest. Just feels icky as fuck compared to the cleanliness of an IM shot. Why muddy the scrummy? 100mg in the muscle is where I'd suggest most folks start with. You may as well do it if you're gonna do it - no point stabbing yerself for nowt really. Believe me - ket gets pretty immersive. Enjoy <3
 
theres been some really nice ketamine going around lately. Uusally 400-500mg if snorted wouldnt get me into a k hole.

And id need between 250 and 300mg IM'd to K hole.

I was also IV'ng a similar amount and have banged up a whole g in a 2ml barrell before so my tolerance was pretty sky high.

I stopped for a short while (a month or 2 at most) and I think the K going round is really strong because 200-250mg snorted has been K-holing me every time and usually my tolerance goes straight back to how it was so I believe it has something to do with K going round at the mo.
 
Should have some of this wonderful substance in my possession next week! After reading through this thread I'm super excited, sounds like an experience right up my ally!

Still trying to decide whether or not I want to go for the hole my first go (after allergy tests of course!), or wait to get a feel for the drug. From what I've read high-dose Ket is an entirely different experience than lower "social" doses, so this may be moot..

Also, is the general consensus that music during a khole at best, colors the experience? I can imagine (kind of, just going off experience with other drugs) that music would be entirely shmexy on lower doses. However it seems like the khole is characterized by a complete separation from reality, so wouldn't that include whatever music you happen to have on too?

Also, shambles be on the lookout for a PM once I achieve bluelighter status! I'm quite interested in hearing more about this inter-arterial injection experience! (though obviously something I wouldn't want to do myself :D)
 
Definitely start with a low dose just to get a feel for things. Going straight for a khole (no matter how much you've read about) isn't usually the best course of action with ket--it ends up scaring or confusing most people before they have a chance to learn to appreciate it. There's really no rush either so you might as well work your way up to it.

As per your music question I've gone into holes with and without music and don't have anything bad to say about either. Music ends up taking a back seat but you really just have to try it out and see for yourself. :)
 
How long will dilated pupils stay if i snort around 200mg of ketamine?

I know the duration is around an hour or a bit longer for the actual effects, id just like to know the duration of the disco eyes.
 
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