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The Big & Dandy Ketamine Thread (Third Injection)

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I have no real idea why there is gunk in your vial, but it could be formed ket crystals, or it could have something to do with the preservatives added.

When dehydrated, the preservatives will often dehydrate into crystals as well. Its why a 500mg vial will often yield 600mg or so.

How have you been storing the vial? If its anywhere around any sort of eat, you could have just dehydrated a little bit of the ketamine or preservative.

Like I said, I have no actual idea though, this is just a guess of mine.
 
Thanks, I kind of figured nobody would have a definite answer, I just got the vials a couple days ago, so I'm not sure if they were ever stored near heat. I noticed that once I swished around the liquid I got it to dissolve, and nothing has formed again, but to be on the safe side I suppose I'll just sniff this vial. Thanks for your help.
 
Delsyd said:
Ketamine is definately one of my favorites aswell.

i wish i could find the self control to not abuse it.
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I will second that emotion. I haven't used a lot of ketamine by any means, maybe 6 or 7 grams in total since about 3 years ago, but I've defeintly abused the shit out of it a couple of times. Last halloween I got 4 grams of it and selfishly and shamefully did half of it before I told UndergroundTroll. That whole situation ended up turning into her and I resolving a lot of stuff that was based around drug use/abuse, and the relationship is stronger because of it. I will admit though, I do have a tendency to have "more of a drug problem" than not a problem, if you know what I mean. My use has never spiraled out of control, but it certainly is a slippery slope.

But aside from that, the ketamine state of mind is truly amazing. It's such a valuable and incredible tool for exploring the mind, and can deliver some truly hellish/heavenly experiences depending on how it's used.

I find it's best used a whole bunch at a time for a little bit, then stopping for a while to assimilate the crazy awesomeness.
 
Ketamine and ketamine combos-safety??

WOW--last night was one of the most intense experiences of my entire life....good acid, good mdma and good K. To explain it will take me pages and pages....

I have really been enjoying K at the end of candyflips, or with 2c-b or with just acid.
I have experienced some of the most profound realizations while on mdma, acid and a small amount of K (100-200 mg at most)

my question is

1. how safe is this for your heart?

2. how safe is this for your kidneys?

3. how often is too often?

4. is most K on the market pure or should I be watching out for things?

I do notice a bad hangover the next day which worries me a bit

I do not want to cause lesions or brain damage but all I can find that seems substantial is gall bladder? problems?


Obviously this chemical has much to teach us but I also know it can become addictive for some and can cause problems. I want as much info as possible to keep from messing myself up.


thanks!
 
Sorry I'm not being very helpful here, I just wanted to put in my two cents that I find ketamine and ketamine to be an excellent combination.

I think the main concern with ketamine isn't the kidneys and heart, it's that ketamine can recrystallize in the bladder (I believe) and this can be pretty devastating. It requires pretty much daily use to get this bad though.
 
Kidneys *are* a big concern far. Heart however is not. Ketamine does not do anything bad for your heart so you should not be worried here.

The real issue with Ketamine is that it is an irritant. When it goes through your kidney and bladder it irritates the tissue and causes scar tissue to form, which builds up over time causing irreversible damage if you continue to use it.

If you are using Ketamine occasionally, you should not be worried, however if you are using Ketamine every day or every week then you need to take some breaks to avoid this damage.

So how is it that Ketamine is used in hospitals if it can cause so much damage I imagine you're wondering? Well, when Ketamine is used in hospitals, it is IVed, along with saline solution (salt water solution basically), which negates Ketamine's irritant qualities and reduces or even completely stops the damage it does to your kidneys and bladders.

Lesson:
If you are using Ketamine too often, you have three choices.
1) Keep on using, end up with destroyed kidneys and a ruined bladder
2) Switch to IV/IM and mix with saline solution
3) Take long breaks between use

Also, if you are noticing a bad hangover, this is likely to be from the other drugs. I have used Ketamine many many times, and I'm sure other users will agree with me here, Ketamine is one of those lovely drugs to have the opposite of a hangover, a pleasant afterglow where lights are brighter and everything seems that little bit nicer for the next day or two.
 
thanks for the info...this is very scary info!!

as far as I'm ing...is it fairly safe? you just find a muscle and go?



would drinking tons of cranberry juice with K help?

also...the hangover I refer to often happens when i do K by itself...i wonder if this means the K i am getting is not pure.

thanks so much
 
It's possible. I've yet to have a hangover from Ketamine and I have taken it many many times, I'm also not the healthiest and so I notice hangovers more than most people. Trying doing it at night, see if you still get the hangover the next day, I mostly dosed at night so that might be a factor in whether or not you get a hangover.

Yeah, it is pretty scary, but moderate/irregular use is unlikely to cause you any problems. Ketamine is very safe aside from being an irritant.
 
What Jesus said mostly. Not sure about IV/IM actually helping with the bladder problems though - was under the impression it made little or no difference. Plenty of heavy IV/IM users also have chronic bladder problems.

Cricketbee: The kinda damage mentioned is only an issue with massive overuse - as in multiple grams daily for months/years usually. As long as you're not dosing so heavily and so often there are few concerns healthwise re: ketamine. No problems with komboing it with MDMA, 2C-x, LSD and so on as per your question. CNS depressants are also surprisingly safe to kombine with a lil caution. They do tend to make ket a bit shit though - benzos and booze especially. Ket + opiates is made of win and I'm also a fan of mixing it with GBL/GHB.

EDIT: How damnably spooky. I just that moment went to merge with the B&D Ket Thread only to encounter Error #42. Great minds 8o
 
^ I love that
The day after doing a lot of ket, when you can still taste it whenever you give a little snort.

Feelsgoodman %)
 
Shambles said:
What Jesus said mostly. Not sure about IV/IM actually helping with the bladder problems though - was under the impression it made little or no difference. Plenty of heavy IV/IM users also have chronic bladder problems.
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Yeah, I don't see why saline would do anything either since it gets diluted in our blood after injection, and blood is mostly saline itself. If you snort it the ketamine is going to absorb over more time and become diluted in the blood as well, so I don't see where the big difference is for the kidneys. I think the reason hospitals use ketamine is because it's safer than most other anesthesia chemicals, especially for kids and those with respiratory problems. People aren't coming in for operations everyday so the minuscule amount of damage caused to the kidneys during a single operation isn't really even a consideration. The buzz killing truth is that ketamine is a bad choice for frequent use, despite the fact that using that way sometimes seems intriguing.
 
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Delsyd said:
i find that K tolerance is very hard to get rid of once its developed. Even long breaks dont really help.
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Guess im pretty fucked for a while thenn :p havent used in about 2 months now used to sniff 3gs up my lefty every day, as for nose corrosion nothing out of usual you wouldnt expect from sniffing a HCI. Let me ask a question, is there such a thing as Ketamine-Psychosis ? Thanks.
 
Do you guys know if there is any cross tolerance between 4-Meo-PCP and ketamine? I know they're both in the group "dissociative".

It's about two months since I last time used 4-MeO-PCP and about 1 year with ketamine.

I snorted 300mg with a desire to reach the K-hole, but effects were mild to say the least.
 
is it just me or is it very hard to get any decent Ket these days? stuff ive just bought leaves me feeling very sickly and has an almost sweet aftertaste. You need a very large amount to even get near having a decent effect. Its all crystall y however, im just wondering whether there is some sugar or something in the baggy as well.
 
S-ketamine only and preservative containing brands

This has probably been answered elsewhere, but since people always seem to want to know what's intrinsically responsible for differences in subjective effects between brands, here's a short list from wiki of s isomer only brands and brands containing -- sometimes said to be independently psychoactive -- preservatives:

Ketanest S Parke Davis (Pfizer) - S enantiomer only, no preservatives[54]

Ketaset (Wyeth) - R/S ketamine and benzethonium chloride as a preservative.[55]

Ketalar - R/S ketamine + Phermerol (benzethonium chloride) added as a preservative

I think most all other brands are R/S 50:50, and if they have the same concentration any reported subjective differences are due only to between session differences in physiology/emotional state/etc.
 
I have two different kinds of vial K in the collection, but I'm a little afraid to give it a try again. I've only done K a couple times, and it was from a gram I bought at a festival. I'm not sure what isomer it was, or anything like that. I don't even know if it was originally vial K or not. But, it made me extremely nauseous and dizzy, and that was really all I got from it - a really swimmy feeling in my head, and nausea. I didn't get any effects that I would call positive. Basically, i hate being sick to my stomach like that. I would like to know what ketamine is all about though, so I'm tempted to give it a try again...

I have an Agrovet vial (Ket-a-100) 10ml 100mg/ml, made in Peru.

I also have a Kepro vial, 10ml 100mg/ml, made in Holland.

If anyone has tried or knows anything about either of these brands and can suggest which one I give ketamine another try with, it would be appreciated. Also, once I cook it down, about how much should give me an idea of what K is all about without really thumping my head too hard?
 
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Chemical Wizard said:
I can't remember where I heard this, and I dont' know if it is right at all, but somewhere I recall hearing that after you snort anything, the blood vessels in the mucous membrane in your nose contract and don't absorb chemicals very well for the next 15-20 minutes.

So try snorting a line in each nostril ever 15 minutes. Also, i find crushing up the ketamine, pulverizing it rather, into a fine dust substantially helps the ketamine dissolve upon contact. I think the more drip you taste going down your throat, the more you should slow down. And don't over insufflate, you're just giving the ketamine a head start towards your tummy.

This is what I try to do anyways, and I always get realllllly high on ketamine. I sure do wanna try doing an IM injection of ketamine, but I don't have the balls to go through with all the needle nonsense. One day I will, but not yet. It would be optimal if i could meet someone to guide me and show me the ways.
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I always try to keep my head tilted forward for a few minutes after snorting some. I wonder if some pseudoephedrine would dry the nose out enough to prevent running, and so help reduce the amount that gets swallowed or stuck in mucus.
 
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