The Big & Dandy Ketamine Thread (Third Injection)
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About three to four months ago, my girlfriend and I IM'd 1cc and had a very interesting experience. Felt it quite suddenly, began with tunnel vision; vocal echo; the couch we were sitting on began to bend and twist in front of the wall it sat against. Couldn't focus on anything, trying our best. Needless to say, it ended up with the both of us vomiting quite a bit, bile for me... I do remember, between purge breaks by the toilet, looking down at my legs and noticing they were 1/100 of they're actual size compared to the rest of my body.
Mentioned in past replies, we have just IM'd .25cc's and felt a head change but are about to do more. Any suggestions or insight on what had happened to us before, which was our first ketamine experience, and how much we should do next time to avoid vomiting but indulge in the khole.
Our best wishes,
hannah & ben
About three to four months ago, my girlfriend and I IM'd 1cc and had a very interesting experience. Felt it quite suddenly, began with tunnel vision; vocal echo; the couch we were sitting on began to bend and twist in front of the wall it sat against. Couldn't focus on anything, trying our best. Needless to say, it ended up with the both of us vomiting quite a bit, bile for me... I do remember, between purge breaks by the toilet, looking down at my legs and noticing they were 1/100 of they're actual size compared to the rest of my body.
Mentioned in past replies, we have just IM'd .25cc's and felt a head change but are about to do more. Any suggestions or insight on what had happened to us before, which was our first ketamine experience, and how much we should do next time to avoid vomiting but indulge in the khole.
Our best wishes,
hannah & ben
Shambles
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Hi, Hannah. Hi, Ben 
The vomiting thing isn't intinsic to the ketamine thing but they are inextricably linked for some. I have never experienced nausea from ketamine myself but from what I gather it will pass with experience.
The dose required to hole varies a fair bit between individuals so it's hard to give a definite figure. The Erowid dosages are fairly accurate for most people though
The weird space on the borders of a k-hole that you haven't quite fallen into can be especially disorientating (and I could see being vomitous) so I prefer to either aim for a hole or stick to minor wonkiness and if a hole happens along then dive into it. Sadly tolerance mostly precludes the former
The vomiting thing isn't intinsic to the ketamine thing but they are inextricably linked for some. I have never experienced nausea from ketamine myself but from what I gather it will pass with experience.
The dose required to hole varies a fair bit between individuals so it's hard to give a definite figure. The Erowid dosages are fairly accurate for most people though
The weird space on the borders of a k-hole that you haven't quite fallen into can be especially disorientating (and I could see being vomitous) so I prefer to either aim for a hole or stick to minor wonkiness and if a hole happens along then dive into it. Sadly tolerance mostly precludes the former
ticklepickler
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about the only way i do K is IV. i will binge on 3 - 4 g a day for a month or two then wait to get more. with IV you never miss your hole, as long as your keep upping your dose (unavoidable). i find the instant hole preferable to the long IM come up (i know everyone says IM is instant but to a recovering heroin addict - im still on suboxone treatment so that is present in all my psychonautical explorations - it is a long come up that seems like forever. i also find myself having to do larger doses IM. the good side is that the trip is much much much longer, and generally deeper. i suspect this is because when you IV a dose large enough to go past ego loss (thats how i describe it - its like a post out of body state similar to massive DMT doses, im talkin alien beings, infinite experiences, non-human emotions that are massively foreign, etc....) you often cant handle it so instantaneously, so you just forget it. I will say, that when searching for a specific hole space, like trying to enter an astral state or attempting to enter a movie character's role (the latter is much more recreational and a big favorite of me and my girl) IV is undeniably much more effective. The very character of these types of IV trips seem to be conducive towards this sort of "highly psychedelic recreational use", i.e. they can produce profoundly out of body experiences, but one doesnt often achieve the depth and knowledge that IM holes of similar dose provide.
another random observation we noticed is a point of K-tardation (lol cant think of a better descriptor). this could be because of an IV that leaked IM because of misses or the occasional small intentional IM dose (when we do K we DO K...not leavin room after starting till next morning status). The state is characterized by a pervasive sense of disassociation and general k intoxication, something that is not surprising yet not familiar, considering the mgs of k ingested. The lack of familiarity referred to is in consideration to low doses of k intoxication. See, this k-tardation is similar in many ways to the general effects of relatively high yet still sub psychedelic (read: bodily control available even if severely disoriented) k intoxication but different in the headspace it puts one in. it is much more psychologically disorienting, with less but still some disassociation, and one often finds themselves wandering with a sense of no direction but something that should have been done or that was going to be done. note that this "restlessness" is not anxious at all, retaining all of k's calming effects, just really stoney.
another subject i have been pondering is withdrawal. when these k binges are ended there is little to no actual withdrawal, as compared to benzo or opiate sickness. in fact, it seemed it was more manageable for me when the supply disappeared than it has been to quit smoking weed for specified time periods (drug tests, etc). At the first sign of K though, whether it has been a day or a month since the last use, the incredible urge to use busts out of nowhere, and the substance is immediately acquired and ingested.
a blog also loosely follows these events and trips. sometimes posts between here and there overlap. it is much less research and scientific oriented than the posting i so love about bluelight, but a good read nonetheless. check it out at illsinthevista.blogspot.com
i love pms and questions or discussions so feel free to pm me bout anything.
peace, im growing to feel really at home here at bluelight thanks to all yall : )
another random observation we noticed is a point of K-tardation (lol cant think of a better descriptor). this could be because of an IV that leaked IM because of misses or the occasional small intentional IM dose (when we do K we DO K...not leavin room after starting till next morning status). The state is characterized by a pervasive sense of disassociation and general k intoxication, something that is not surprising yet not familiar, considering the mgs of k ingested. The lack of familiarity referred to is in consideration to low doses of k intoxication. See, this k-tardation is similar in many ways to the general effects of relatively high yet still sub psychedelic (read: bodily control available even if severely disoriented) k intoxication but different in the headspace it puts one in. it is much more psychologically disorienting, with less but still some disassociation, and one often finds themselves wandering with a sense of no direction but something that should have been done or that was going to be done. note that this "restlessness" is not anxious at all, retaining all of k's calming effects, just really stoney.
another subject i have been pondering is withdrawal. when these k binges are ended there is little to no actual withdrawal, as compared to benzo or opiate sickness. in fact, it seemed it was more manageable for me when the supply disappeared than it has been to quit smoking weed for specified time periods (drug tests, etc). At the first sign of K though, whether it has been a day or a month since the last use, the incredible urge to use busts out of nowhere, and the substance is immediately acquired and ingested.
a blog also loosely follows these events and trips. sometimes posts between here and there overlap. it is much less research and scientific oriented than the posting i so love about bluelight, but a good read nonetheless. check it out at illsinthevista.blogspot.com
i love pms and questions or discussions so feel free to pm me bout anything.
peace, im growing to feel really at home here at bluelight thanks to all yall : )
ticklepickler
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haha i live in a university town and k goes for 20$ a point (100mg) or 100$ a g. universities where i am are not where its at haha. *snip* pure hcl that hasnt even been put into a vial - now thats where its at : )
biggest crystals ive seen came from solar cooking 10 vials on a glass plate, but when you chop it it still gets powdery. *snip* hcls are just giant beautiful salt crystals that taste amazing snorted and solute into a spoon of water like butter for IV/IM
biggest crystals ive seen came from solar cooking 10 vials on a glass plate, but when you chop it it still gets powdery. *snip* hcls are just giant beautiful salt crystals that taste amazing snorted and solute into a spoon of water like butter for IV/IM
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ticklepickler
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hannah and ben
try IVing a much smaller dose, like 50mg or so (i usually do 250 so im not sure what the conventional starting point is).
IVing comes on so fast it tends to skip any of the come up nausea that some feel (ive never got nausea from k) and send you straight to a hole. like i said, try small doses and have a sitter, but i have found for many first timers, slightly sub hole doses through IV are easier to assimilate than higher dose IM shots. also, it allows one to begin learning the intricacies of k and the hole but doesnt last long enough to terrify (usually).
obviously the most important thing is knowing yourself and being safe, having someone else present, etc...
try IVing a much smaller dose, like 50mg or so (i usually do 250 so im not sure what the conventional starting point is).
IVing comes on so fast it tends to skip any of the come up nausea that some feel (ive never got nausea from k) and send you straight to a hole. like i said, try small doses and have a sitter, but i have found for many first timers, slightly sub hole doses through IV are easier to assimilate than higher dose IM shots. also, it allows one to begin learning the intricacies of k and the hole but doesnt last long enough to terrify (usually).
obviously the most important thing is knowing yourself and being safe, having someone else present, etc...
tyrael
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I have two questions about this (legitimate questions, I don't know a lot about ket. But I'm learning
);1. Bigger crystals mean better K?
2. Easier breakable crystals mean better K?
General Patton
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I have two questions about this (legitimate questions, I don't know a lot about ket. But I'm learning
1. Bigger crystals mean better K?
2. Easier breakable crystals mean better K?
I've been told that large crystal shards means it is more S+ isomer ketamine, as to if that makes it "better" well that is a matter of taste and preference. You can search the forum if you want to review the difference between the two enantiomers.
How do the folks in the B&D thread feel about smoking weed with K? At doses above 100mg I'm not too sure if it's necessary, but it is a nice accompaniment.
Shambles
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^ I smoke weed whatever the dose but obviously the higher you go the less relevance the weed has. And the less ability you have to smoke it or even comprehend what it is :D
1. Nope.
2. Nope.
Ketamine is ketamine. If it's pure ket krystal it's all the same.
1. Nope.
2. Nope.
Ketamine is ketamine. If it's pure ket krystal it's all the same.
General Patton
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Yeah, of course you'd never be able to physically hit a bowl while in the k-hole. I just mean the combination in general, I'm wondering if it helps or hurts your ability to remember the hole state. It's true that the effects of pot diminish the higher the dose, because pot is usually a physical stoning thing. Most recently I took some hash oil before sniffing 125mg and I'm not really sure what effect it had, they seemed to cancel each other out.
~*geNeRaTiOn E*~
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a bit of unknown knowledge: you CAN k-hole while standing. i didn't think it was possible either, that is until i experienced it 
Shambles
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Details or GTFO 
Would be great if you could possibly expand on that cos I was also of the opinion that it couldn't be possible to be fully holed stood up, Gen-E. Would love to hear your experience cos you're one of those trustworthy types who doesn't tell silly fibs about such things
Would be great if you could possibly expand on that cos I was also of the opinion that it couldn't be possible to be fully holed stood up, Gen-E. Would love to hear your experience cos you're one of those trustworthy types who doesn't tell silly fibs about such things
~*geNeRaTiOn E*~
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i was tripping hard (really hard) on 2 hits of acid and decided it would be a good idea to stick a straw in a baggy and snort. well, i then decided it would be a good idea to stand up and try to walk over to the fire ring for my viewing pleasure but right after i balanced myself i was locked in place. i tried to sit down once i realized wtf was going on but my body wouldn't let me; i was seriously catatonic. that is when i began to fly high above the environment below, proceeded to fall into a bad trip (which i luckily coaxed myself out of and thank god bc i was at the party alone with nobody to talk me down) and floated on a spaceship, all while standing on my own 2 feet. i did feel like i was leaning forward at one point but i don't think i moved. once i was able to move again, i couldn't believe i was still standing up and promptly dropped my ass to the ground before i did some serious damage to myself.
it was very dark, my entire visual field was one giant neon fractal (infused with FIRE!) and i was now k-walking to the fire ring. i'm really surprised i didn't trip and fall into a bush/tree or something. it's amazing what putting one foot in front of the other can do, even when you can't see said feet :D
it was very dark, my entire visual field was one giant neon fractal (infused with FIRE!) and i was now k-walking to the fire ring. i'm really surprised i didn't trip and fall into a bush/tree or something. it's amazing what putting one foot in front of the other can do, even when you can't see said feet :D
Yes I've heard before about the K-holing standing up, I'm not sure what all the factors are but its definitely not possible every time... My friend likes the R-isomer better because you can just walk around on it fine (I can confirm this), personally I think that comes in handy but I dislike the other effects of it as I've stated before.
The S-isomer becomes available again soon for me, I am done with large amounts of K in small amounts of time but this stuff I am getting again because it is very pleasurable. It gives me a whole rounded experience and a deep uniform K-hole. Order instead of the chaos R-ket brings.
I was planning on trying IM but very hesitant to do it with the R-isomer because its freaky. The racemate available to me is not pure enough for me. But the S-ket I am trying IM for sure and looking forward to it!
The S-isomer becomes available again soon for me, I am done with large amounts of K in small amounts of time but this stuff I am getting again because it is very pleasurable. It gives me a whole rounded experience and a deep uniform K-hole. Order instead of the chaos R-ket brings.
I was planning on trying IM but very hesitant to do it with the R-isomer because its freaky. The racemate available to me is not pure enough for me. But the S-ket I am trying IM for sure and looking forward to it!
Devo93
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FINALLY I have access to this lovly sounding drug. Have yet to try it but looking forward to it very much.
Anyone no if there's a way to test for ketamine?
Anyone no if there's a way to test for ketamine?
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Yeah, you could employ the snort test.
I think some ecstacy testing kits test for ketamine...
I mean whats your concern though?
Purity/quality or whether or not its ketamine at all?
In terms of cutting, ketamine is not cut nearly as often as other drugs...
Also, I'll be sampling some S isomer ketamine soon..
Never had it.
I'm excited.
Although I never really liked ketamine before... but that was when i was like 15 years old.. hopefully I can appreciate it now.
I think some ecstacy testing kits test for ketamine...
I mean whats your concern though?
Purity/quality or whether or not its ketamine at all?
In terms of cutting, ketamine is not cut nearly as often as other drugs...
Also, I'll be sampling some S isomer ketamine soon..
Never had it.
I'm excited.
Although I never really liked ketamine before... but that was when i was like 15 years old.. hopefully I can appreciate it now.
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