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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Ibogaine/Iboga Thread

Thanks. :) What I meant is that the level of alteration I experienced was tremendously more intense than anything else I've experienced. However it was not frightening at all, except before I took it, I was scared shitless! I can't imagine ibogaine causing psychological damage unless perhaps you had an underlying mental disorder or something. It's completely different from any other psychedelic, it doesn't feel or act even remotely like any classic psychedelic or indeed anything I've ever taken. If you do it I recommend a good portion of the dose be the TA extract as it seems to smooth out the ibogaine HCl and deepen the experience. It felt so nice the whole time, even though it was incredibly intense. In fact for most of it I was unaware I was on ibogaine, I was just voyaging through my subconsciousness in dreams.
 
Fascinating stuff, for sure. I definitely plan to go through with it in the next few months but I'm definitely a little scared too! Thanks for clearing that up.
 
last Friday I took too much iboga for a microdose. I took about 1200 milligrams in 4 doses in a 10 hour period, last dose at 10pm.
2 hours after that last dose, at about midnight, I had forgotten how to properly breath and was fearing for my life. More specifically, I had forgotten how I must *exhale* before I can inhale properly. I was hyperventilating.
All the while I thought it would pass quick and there was not need to call for help (my girlfriend had gone on holidays to visit her family the night before –I was on my own- otherwise she would have probably called an ambulance)

this ordeal persisted until the day after, and it was impossible to sleep anything at all. Quite the kind of ordeal you fear for your life and leaves quite a mark on your psyche afterwards. Let’s say a reminder, red herring mistake.

I tried every little thing I could think about (all kinds of exercise, distractions, works whatever you name it yeah I wanked too) to try and remember how to breath properly, without feeling like drowning, constantly out of breath, as if my lungs had decided to stop working, on strike “you took too much man, we are not working now”, those fuckers were kind of saying (in my mind)

At some time in the morning (by then, after none sleeping at all during the whole night, I was too anxious to understand the clock or its numbers) I managed to go the the local bar, full of local people enjoying the sun (here spring comes in February) told them if they knew if the local health center was open today (I live in a small village). The health center was closed on Saturdays, but there was another one 20 minutes by car. I don’t have a car.

-ok, I guess I’ll have to call an ambulance –I said. And start walking. I could notice their stunned, worried faces.

-I’ll take you –one of them said. He was a man I never noticed before, a 50 years old man, a local native from the island. Probably a farmer, as most are. He took me to the hospital and they ran all kind of tests and gave me a tranquilliser. Half a hour later I started to feel better. So they told me it was not an allergy reaction, neither was asthma, nor a heart attack.
… it was a panic attack or anxiety crisis episode…

that night I slept well (popped the last tranquilliser they gave me before going to bed). I didn’t take any iboga on Sunday, though
 
Yeah there's a cumulative effect with ibogaine. People who microdose with it for too long or with too high of a dose can end up tripping if they're not careful.

They gave some to a dog each day and after a few days it died because it was cumulative. Don't know where the page is now. I wouldn't take multiple doses for several days, especially if it's high doses as are used for opiate addiction. It's such a weak compound that you have to take large amounts for the psych effect and that means you have a large amount to cause other negative effects on the body.
 
Cosmic Ape, sorry to hear that, man. I started out using root bark powder to microdose, and had a few bad experiences like you did (had to pop some xanax for it, which cleared it right up as well). Anyways, I switched to microdosing with a Total Alkaloid extract, which is stronger and more refined, and haven't had any issues since. In fact, microdosing with TA extract has been nothing short of amazing and I'd highly recommend it.
 
and by the way, I am completely cured from my 10 years adiction to opiates. I feel truly great. I had 150 milligrams of root bark this morning, and I planning to have 100 milligram a day for the next two months. It is a blessing, but we have to treat it right. Because I was getting nice and subtle effects, I thought I could use it like I use cannabis (ok, i thought i could *abuse* it). Not at all. More than half a gram a week for more than 2 weeks is certainly dangerous, even if it doesn't feel like in the first few days

the effect is cumulative, and i read and felt myself that small doses of less than a gram don't do much for the first 3/4 days. But then, after a week, suddenly is like a switch was switched, from grey emotional weather, to full sun dreams at the reach of your hand.
and i feel like stretching my hand and grabbin those dreams. so that's what i'm doing, what i want to do. What else do you want from a drug?
we don't need drugs to imagine our dreams if we got one to actually realise them and bloody fleshy acting them

just recently, iboga made me lost all tolerance to cannabis. I had a huge tolerance to it before. I didn't knew i had lost it. I didn't know. For a long time before that, smoking it didn't give me much of an effect... i had to smoke big spliffs of pure highest grade weed to get a bit of a buzz... because my monster tolerance, i didn't even bother to smoke it anymore, i was consuming it oral everyday about 2 hours before going to bed. THe strongest indica.

Had my normal dose last sunday (i havent had any the day before) I didn't know that iboga had already worked its magic and reseted my receptors, including my endocannabinoid ones. I, so stupidly, had my normal dose before going to bed. My normal massive dose of Cannabutter with milk and honey sent me to heart racing hell.

I drank the canna-milk, went to bed. It's funny. I was supposed to go the day after to meet friends in the capital of the Island, Santa Cruz, to celebrate the massive Indianos Monday Carnival of La Palma; everyone has to go dressed in white, and I solemnly placed my white trousers and shirt on my bed chair, and set the alarm clock
Laid down in bed, and suddenly i started getting the wildest stories to write about... and had the absolute need to write about what happened the day before (saturday) with my anxiety crisis and forgetting to EXHALE sloooowly (inhaling, you can leave it in automatic, the body is much better at inhaling, for some reason... hard to let go our shit, i guess)

that sunday night, half way writing what at the end I posted here today at 15:00, i realised i was having a terrible racing hammer-heart. I managed to more or less finished my story and then i grabbed my coat, my gloves and my hat and went outside. I knew i had to call an ambulance... but it was past midnight, the day after was gonna be the absolute big day in this whole island...
...i live in this small island, we are less than 80 thousand mates living here... we all know each other! i just could not for my life think about spoiling the fun to one of them, one of us.

so i just walked it off while my heart was racing like never before, 140bpm, 280bpm... i got no idea tbh, but it felt like over a thousand beats per f. minute. Some streets i staggered, the weirdest sensations in my chest and heart area, the beats going so fast they start to sound like a continuous beep sound "am i dead?" like a constant note being played with the bones of my own death

but i could keep walking. then, when i reached my favourite part of this village, i started to feel a bit less certain to die... maybe my heartrate went down to just 220/210... i had been there before. I knew i had the heart of a horse... two different doctors had expressed their satisfaction about my heart system. It must mean something, as i didn't die that night.

this area i like so much, this heart of a village, has not street lights. And every 3 or 4 houses, you get an agricultural plot, and more often than not they grow organic... walking that area under the stars, past midnight, when absolutely everyone was sound slept... is something that we humans treasure once we do it

came back home at 2am. Still racing heart, maybe 100 bpm. I decided to stay in the garden with the plants, the cats and the stars
in the sky. I don't know at what time i came back to bed... i think it was 4am... i slept 3 hours and wrote a msg to one of my friends telling him i was not going to the carnival

i'm still using mucuna pruriens everyday too (well, i didn't had any this weekend... to heavy what i was already living) one bean a day mixed with a glass of milk. they go well as long as you don't abuse the iboga or friends
 
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Just curious but does Iboga have negative interactions with SSRIs or is it safe to take on them?
 
I'd go with 250mg, but yeah. My ~350mg dose was phenomenal in content. I used mostly TA which I fully believe is the more recreational/complete way, rather than pure HCl which is described as more medicinal and rougher. The TA I found to be utterly smooth and beautiful feeling.

Next time I try it, I think I will consume a gram of TA. My flood dose was such a wonderful experience that I would really like to meet with iboga again, though not at that level.

Alright, I'll definitely start around that level then. :) Thanks! I would like to try the TA as well, but I'll probably try the pure stuff first just to get a feel for it.... For some reason I really like the idea of getting to know compounds on as pure of a level as possible even if their natural forms provide a heavier experience, maybe just because it feels more intimate. I would probably only ever use pure psilocin over mushrooms if I had it for this reason, just for example... or pure mescaline over cacti. Part of this might be just related to how lately I'm especially cautious of anything that I put in my body though, I like to know exactly what it is and how much of it there is, which isn't something you get from eating plants....

If you do take a gram of TA, make sure you post another trip report for us all to see, there has to be an Episode II. =D
 
Cosmic Ape, sorry to hear that, man. I started out using root bark powder to microdose, and had a few bad experiences like you did (had to pop some xanax for it, which cleared it right up as well). Anyways, I switched to microdosing with a Total Alkaloid extract, which is stronger and more refined, and haven't had any issues since. In fact, microdosing with TA extract has been nothing short of amazing and I'd highly recommend it.

that´s good to know. Next time i might buy that kind of extract then. I always want to try the un-adulterated natural product -if possible- first, as i have better experiences with the natural unprocessed product with kava, kratom and others.
With other plants an extract or processed form is better, though. Good to know, thanks Stanley

yesterday and today had 100milligrams a day. And I think I´m gonna keep it at that, at least as long as it feels good, and so far it does. Also I keep taking one mucuna pruriens a day.

Honestly, i feel better and better. Physically I feel 10 years younger (i´m 42). Mentally, i think i still need a bit more recovery... i´ve been plagued by sinusitis this winter and lost too many sleep hours. But my sleep has improved a lot just recently, first with mucuna, and then with iboga (also, i´m not over-using the heater anymore, which has hugely improved the state of my sinuses... plus the essential oils etc)

i used to need over 20grams of cannabis indica (orally, obviously) just to feel a bit sleepy. Now a couple of vaporised puffs are enough -that, to me, is even more amazing that the vanishing of PAWS. to lose the PAWS could be for a number of factors: time (it had been almost 4 weeks since last kratom dose, when i tried iboga, so maybe PAWS stopped on their own... actually i just remembered how the mucuna helped a lot before i even started taking the iboga... yeah, mucuna did the PAWS job before i could try the iboga)
but the fact iboga so drastically reduced my cannabis tolerance levels.. that´s amazing...
I hope i can keep them low just by chronically consuming microdoses
 
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Maybe everyone who has taken various drugs for years should do a cycle of Ibo to reset all receptors. If it resets serotonin receptors maybe it would prevent or cure deprsssion, for instance. Someone needs to ascertain what the most beneficial cycle is, dosages and number of days. One dose probably wouldn't do it, though I'm just purely speculating. Some drugs need a cycle of a certain number of days or weeks.
 
I finally found the study pointing the danger of Iboga use of high but also small doses of ibogaine. Microdosing may not be as safe as I thought first. Will try to get the entire paper tomorrow if I have access to it at uni.

Fatalities after taking ibogaine in addiction treatment could be related to sudden cardiac death caused by autonomic dysfunction.

Ibogaine is the most important alkaloid of the Central African Iboga-shrub. It is the central drug in Gabonian initiation ceremonies in which it is used to cause a near-death experience. In Western countries it is used in private clinics to treat addiction. However, in the United States and most European countries it is classified as an illegal drug because at least eight persons have died after having taken Ibogaine. These fatalities occurred in most cases several days after ingestion or following the intake of very small doses. There is no conclusive explanation at the present time for these deaths. We hypothesize, that these deaths may be a result of cardiac arrhythmias, caused by a dysregulation of the autonomic nervous system. Ibogaine affects the autonomic nervous system by influencing several neurotransmitter-systems and the fastigial nucleus. The cerebellar nucleus responds to small doses with a stimulation of the sympathetic system, leading to a fight or flight reaction. High doses, however, lead to a vagal dominance: a "feigned death". The risk of cardiac arrhythmias is increased in situations of sympathetic stimulation or coincidence of a high parasympathetic tonus and a left-sided sympathetic stimulation. This could occur under influence of small doses of ibogaine and also at times of exhaustion with a high vagal tonus, when sudden fear reactions could cause a critical left-sided sympathetic stimulation. Gabonian healers prevent these risks by isolating their patients from normal life and by inducing a trance-state with right-hemispheric and vagal dominance for several days.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16698188

This is really disturbing, I will probably reconsider my microdosage use of iboga. I'm using others drugs with it (DXM, codeine, MXE, cannabis, alcohol), that's sound risky now. I never mix an other drug directly after Iboga dosing, maybe nor-ibogaine don't have this effect on the cardiac system, but better safe than sorry.
 
I've managed to quit most of my addictions at this point except smoking. Wondering if it can help with this too? Honestly, that's only part of the reason. I'm looking for a good excuse to experience this but have held back due to the expense of flying to a treatment center. I stopped using all psychedelics now but for this I'll make an exception. There are too many accounts to ignore; many people experience a direct conversation with their guides. I'm fascinated to no end by the possibility. I have lots of questions.
 
I've managed to quit most of my addictions at this point except smoking. Wondering if it can help with this too? Honestly, that's only part of the reason. I'm looking for a good excuse to experience this but have held back due to the expense of flying to a treatment center. I stopped using all psychedelics now but for this I'll make an exception. There are too many accounts to ignore; many people experience a direct conversation with their guides. I'm fascinated to no end by the possibility. I have lots of questions.

Leaving your home is really a big trip. The culture-shock could make things worse. Have you read the medical journal articles on psilocybin assisted smoking cessation? My hunch is the afterglow has pharmacological benefits beyond the psychotherapeutic benefits. I think we have to allow these alternative therapies rather than wage terrifying wars on drugs. Some people keep hopping psychedelic therapy is legalized. You should have a way you could get well through alternative therapies while existing amongst main stream society in peace.
 
Ibogaine seems to be a bit overkill for cigarettes, but you never know, I guess if you've tried forever to quit and never have, maybe it would be called for. Ibogaine is an incredibly intense and powerful experience that lasts for days, with aftereffects for up to weeks. GREAT care and planning must go into it. It actually helped me to live a healthier and happier life in many areas - I took it because I had been addicted to opiates for 10 years but it ended up really helping me to reach my potential as a healthy human.
 
Are there any opiate-dependent individuals living in New England seeking ibogaine treatment? Working on a news story from a major media organization and would love to speak with you.
 
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