☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Ibogaine/Iboga Thread

[jason7]

In microdosage, I never felt a hint of nausea with iboga TA extract. Do you speak about flood doses?

Yes. You need to take a flood dose for the opiate withdrawal to work, as I understand it, and it causes severe vomiting.

 

[Bomb319]

I've had a 6-7 year narcotic habit, but am currently on methadone which is working very well - I don't use anymore, or at least I haven't for months and have no cravings. The thought of Ibogaine scares the hell out of me - I've tried almost every drug including heroin, meth and crack, but refuse to try even shrooms because the idea of psychological change and breakdown scares the hell out of me...even my first trip with weed caused me to panic because of how it changed my perception. I'm scared to try any drug that causes such deep and profound permanent changes to my psyche, although I realize that's probably I sign that I could use it more than anybody.

 

[Xorkoth]

For me ibogaine was much different from any other psychedelic, I was just along for the ride, I was unaware I was on it for most of the time, just having dreams where I didn't realize I was dreaming. Then again I love psychedelic states and I am good at dealing with them.

Yes. You need to take a flood dose for the opiate withdrawal to work, as I understand it, and it causes severe vomiting.

I actually experienced not the slightest hint of nausea on my flood dose. I do have an iron stomach though, but it was no issue whatsoever for me.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

I think I'll just use cannabis for the nausea, anyone knows if cannabis is well tolerated under iboga effects?

I'd advise getting some ondansetron to take at 6 hour intervals or as required (16 mg), because ibo is apparently extremely nauseating and the vomiting would dehydrate and exhaust you. In fact, the ibo experience actually sounds almost as bad as opiate withdrawals. To find a source, go to a less uptight forum, like this or this. . I would think that giving reliable sources for high purity chemicals would reduce harm.

thx Jason7, i found a very good forum focused just on eboka (iboga) but i'm not sure if i'm allowed to post it here because it has some links to vendors. I will keep researching

 

[thikal]

I've just done a microdosage experiment with 1g iboga TA extract. The results were really encouraging so far, I can sum them up by say that I started to evolve again, little by little, and I now feel hope for the future. So now, I'm aware that you HAVE to have a sitter for flood doses, but is a low dose trip can be worth it, and done without a sitter? I think about maybe 100mg TA extract? I never done a flood dose before.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

after substantial research, i have changed my mind. I am not doing a flood dose anymore, but microdosing the same amount along 6 or 8 weeks

haven't received it yet but i will keep you informed once i do

i've changed my mind mainly for work reasons, but also because for me, at this stage, feels like a more practical use (i have some paws with restless legs and consequent insomnia... but don't feel like the need of a catharsis or epiphany, on that front i'm feel fine, sort of...)
I believe for me, at this point, it would be better use as a tool to reinforce good habits, rather than a(nother) visionary conquest

 

[StanleyJobson]

So now, I'm aware that you HAVE to have a sitter for flood doses, but is a low dose trip can be worth it, and done without a sitter? I think about maybe 100mg TA extract? I never done a flood dose before.

I did 750 mg of TA extract once. It wasn't much of an actual "trip", per se, although there was definitely an effect. I basically lied in bed for 6 hours feeling pretty crappy. It can be enough to stop a drug habit, and will give you an afterglow for 2 days.

 

[jason7]

thx Jason7, i found a very good forum focused just on eboka (iboga) but i'm not sure if i'm allowed to post it here because it has some links to vendors. I will keep researching

The two other forums I linked actually only discuss legal RCs anyway so they wouldn't help you find ibogaine. Here's a tip that may help though; Iboga and ibogaine are uncontrolled in Canada. Do a Canada based search and you'll find the vendor eventually. He may not be willing to ship to the US, I don't know. Maybe you can get some help from these guys. There's some paperwork involved and there may be significant costs but they'll dose you up with the ibogaine.

 

[Xorkoth]

I did 750 mg of TA extract once. It wasn't much of an actual "trip", per se, although there was definitely an effect. I basically lied in bed for 6 hours feeling pretty crappy. It can be enough to stop a drug habit, and will give you an afterglow for 2 days.

Wow, my 500mg TA + 100mg HCl experience was one of the best trips of my life, phenomenally powerful and immersive. Of course it was 6 days after my flood dose which surely influenced it.

 

[StanleyJobson]

Yeah there's a cumulative effect with ibogaine. People who microdose with it for too long or with too high of a dose can end up tripping if they're not careful.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

I'm planning to have one dose every morning, starting with 1 gram and reducing the amount by 10% everyday, until reaching 200mg, then i will continue dosing 200mg per day 'till i finish with it... i bought 15 grams of root powder

any advice would be appreciated

 

[incaseofaburglar]

Everyone is different. There is not one specific formula that can be given out with ibogaine.

I would not mix ibogaine with codeine or DXM (to the poster who said that). You are lucky you did not have any serious cardiac side effects. You can get off opiates micro-dosing, but it won't be the most comfortable experience on the planet (although it will help with the worst of the withdrawal symptoms).

Ordering online is always a gamble, as you don't know the purity without it being lab tested. However, it is definitely more affordable this way.

Anti-nausea medication is not 100% safe with ibogaine. I would fast for 12-24 hours beforehand (the closer to 24 hours the better) and do a fruit fast the day before the actual fast. This will decrease the chances of incessant vomiting. Movement on ibogaine also induces vomiting. Laying on one's back, neck straight, staying still -- will help with nausea. I did not experience nausea or vomiting on ibogaine. It does not happen to everyone. Some people vomit, but do not feel acute nausea. Everyone is different. The Bwiti view the vomiting as the release of negativity and toxins.

A colon cleanse will greatly help nausea and negative side effects, the feeling of being uncomfortable, etc. on ibogaine. ESPECIALLY for opiate addicts. Most opiate addicts are constipated, if not impacted, and this is a terrible feeling on it's own, especially on top of the ibogaine. In fact, the symptoms of an impaction are similar to those of withdrawal.

The most important thing with ibogaine is to be safe! It is better to save money, wait, and go to someone who has years of experience than to risk treating yourself. This might not be an option for everyone, so in that case, do not do it totally alone. Have someone around who can check your pulse, a "sitter". Research. Do not mix the ibogaine with anything. Cease pharmaceutical use beforehand. Research. Stay safe. It is a beautiful and healing plant medicine. But not only should it be respected, for your own safety, you should eliminate as many x factors as possible.

I was treated with ibogaine for suboxone. I was also drinker, and amphetamine user. I ceased everything after ibogaine (nearly 5 years ago), I micro-dosed to quit nicotine. I am a big proponent of the therapy. It took me a year to get the money together (hard to save money when using). I am very grateful for the professional treatment I was given. There was a doctor and three nurses on staff. I was treated as an individual, not some routine "just take this dose and you are good" patient. As I was getting off suboxone and had to switch to a short acting opiate, I stayed at the clinic for an extended period of time (for the final part of my switch-over), I saw a lot of people come and go. As a result, I understand the seriousness of the medicine. Everyone, please be safe!!!

 

[Goddess Mode]

So, this seems to be an appropriate place to ask.... What would be the smallest possible dose of ibogaine one could take for a first time and still trip significantly?

 

[Xorkoth]

I took 500mg of TA + 100mg of HCl which should be roughly equivalent to 350mg of HCl, and I tripped beautifully, it was very strong but I was still present so I was fine by myself. That was my follow-up dose after my flood dose (6 days later) so that may have played a part, who knows.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ibogaine - NO

Vivitrol - started today, lets see what happens.

 

[Goddess Mode]

I took 500mg of TA + 100mg of HCl which should be roughly equivalent to 350mg of HCl, and I tripped beautifully, it was very strong but I was still present so I was fine by myself. That was my follow-up dose after my flood dose (6 days later) so that may have played a part, who knows.

Hmm, so do you think like around like 200-250 mg might be a good first time introductory dose then? Detoxing is not really an issue for me so I don't need to get too high, I'm mainly interested in it for working on repressed psychological pain....

 

[thikal]

I would not mix ibogaine with codeine or DXM (to the poster who said that). You are lucky you did not have any serious cardiac side effects. You can get off opiates micro-dosing, but it won't be the most comfortable experience on the planet (although it will help with the worst of the withdrawal symptoms).

Arguments other that "don't do that it's bad"? I was microdosing (25mg TA extract) and have no side effect of microdosing iboga alone other than after a few days difficulty to fall asleep. I also didn't take DXM and codein directly after Iboga, but always more than 12-24h after my daily microsing dose.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

I read from several sources that piperidine taken before iboga would increase iboga effects.
I tried it today. I drank a glass of hot water with a tspoon of black pepper and a tspoon of turmeric.
Half an hour after I ate a small bowl of lentil soup with half a tspoon of blackpepper, chilli pepper and 3/4tspoon of turmeric (among other herbs, spices and ingredients).
Then, half a hour after finishing the soup, thus is, 1 hour after drinking my black pepper plus turmeric tea, i had 350 milligrams of iboga root bark.

50 minutes after I can assure you this feels like a gram or even more of rootbark, definitely not just 350 milligrams. Which is great because this stuff is expensive.
I know i must grow it as soon as I can, and i will.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hmm, so do you think like around like 200-250 mg might be a good first time introductory dose then? Detoxing is not really an issue for me so I don't need to get too high, I'm mainly interested in it for working on repressed psychological pain....

I'd go with 250mg, but yeah. My ~350mg dose was phenomenal in content. I used mostly TA which I fully believe is the more recreational/complete way, rather than pure HCl which is described as more medicinal and rougher. The TA I found to be utterly smooth and beautiful feeling.

Next time I try it, I think I will consume a gram of TA. My flood dose was such a wonderful experience that I would really like to meet with iboga again, though not at that level.

 

[jammin83]

Xorkoth, I read somewhere that you said ibogaine is 1000x stronger than any psychedelic you have ever done. What did you mean by that? I am considering a flood, if I can get a hold of the stuff (don't have thousands right now for a clinic) but am a little concerned about it, for obvious reasons. Haven't read too many train wreck experiences but am not really trying to do any more psychological damage. Fairly experienced tripper I suppose, but being in the grips of an unpleasant psychedelic experience for a number of days is sounding less and less appealing to me. I had a pretty frightening experience on dmt one time and don't think I could handle feeling that fucked up for even a few hours. Care to shed a little light?

Loved your report by the way. Fascinating read!