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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2‘-Oxo-PCE Thread

I quite enjoy O-pce And may be acquiring 10g for tests, research and combinations

10-20mg IM dose Was easily better than mxe in terms of. Euphoria, relaxation, easy to be one with the music. Different. Of course .....Bit of a wobble , but with weed, and a stim or without at first ( easy going one not meth nor mdpv nor crack etc. ) dancing was fantasmaical


I have not explored a hole yet, but I feel a force which could induce such a state

Oh. And. These chems. Like o-pce are giving very interesting non scary visuals. This could be a very interesting chem,
 
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Maybe psychosomatic but 3g in 4 weeks daily feels like a good lesson in why one should not disturb the complex symbiotic relationship our body has with probiotics.

Whether this is an antibiotic or not, I notice weird effects on skin. Feels dry, painful to make a fist as if skin isn't as elastic, dry nostrils that take a full day or two to resolve, general malaise and discomfort, random inflammation and fevers (one day one ear was inflamed, next day one hand, etc.)

I don't generally get sick and have never had such effects from drugs. I noticed that while I have a strong psychological desire to dose dissociatives, with this one the desire is there but there's something psychologically stopping me from attempting further experiments with this. Like my body has associated that the pros don't outweigh the cons here and until further reports come out I should keep clear.

A shame as this is otherwise a wonderful chem.

ROA is vaping freebase and some insufflation.


Sidenote: I see 3-MeO-PCP come up a lot here in discussion. I find O-PCE to be close to MXE in effects, if we have to compare. Can't say I don't enjoy it but 3-MeO-PCP's potency and long onset coupled with severe amnesia makes it undesirable for me personally. And I don't find much in common with 3meopcp and mxe, as opposed to, say, mxe and K. Not a fan of trying to fit one chems mold into another however.
 
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Marauder said:
Maybe psychosomatic but 3g in 4 weeks daily feels like a good lesson in why one should not disturb the complex symbiotic relationship our body has with probiotics.

Whether this is an antibiotic or not, I notice weird effects on skin. Feels dry, painful to make a fist as if skin isn't as elastic, dry nostrils that take a full day or two to resolve, general malaise and discomfort, random inflammation and fevers (one day one ear was inflamed, next day one hand, etc.)

I don't generally get sick and have never had such effects from drugs. I noticed that while I have a strong psychological desire to dose dissociatives, with this one the desire is there but there's something psychologically stopping me from attempting further experiments with this. Like my body has associated that the pros don't outweigh the cons here and until further reports come out I should keep clear.

A shame as this is otherwise a wonderful chem.

ROA is vaping freebase and some insufflation.


Sidenote: I see 3-MeO-PCP come up a lot here in discussion. I find O-PCE to be close to MXE in effects, if we have to compare. Can't say I don't enjoy it but 3-MeO-PCP's potency and long onset coupled with severe amnesia makes it undesirable for me personally. And I don't find much in common with 3meopcp and mxe, as opposed to, say, mxe and K. Not a fan of trying to fit one chems mold into another however.
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well, the magic of 3-meo-pcp is not beeing at all like ketamine or MXE. It can't be seen as a replacement for anything ;P The same for nearly everything, though, looking for sustitutions is looking for deception
 
If you take it very literally then yes, nothing is ever the same as something else... but of course it's not weird to look for a trait like for example the anaesthetic hole of K where stimulating effects don't prevent the holing, or the lighthearted prankster humor of MXE. I agree that as far as expectations go, identical replacements will always disappoint because you set yourself up to focus on the imperfection of trying to replicate something.

I'm glad that there are very close K analogues now, which have very similar qualities. I appreciate MXE as something unique and 3-MeO-PCP as well while 3-MeO-PCE is mostly a more manic version of 3-MeO-PCP that has tendencies that start out masquerading as Zen-like serenity, then MXE-reminiscent prankster mood, and soon enough delusions of grandeur.

Diphenidine felt like a fuckton of static to me but I didn't like it.

But back to the point: it is useful for people to compare because it gives quality descriptions using other drugs as reference points. I don't mind at all if people describe O-PCE's effect in that way, and wonder if it has that manic touch of 3-MeO-PCE, or that creepy schizo touch of R-ketamine.
 
Solipsis said:
MXE as something unique and 3-MeO-PCP as well while 3-MeO-PCE is mostly a more manic version of 3-MeO-PCP that has tendencies that start out masquerading as Zen-like serenity, then MXE-reminiscent prankster mood, and soon enough delusions of grandeur.

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I have to admit, while I've only experimented with 3-meo-pce once over a 3 day period, that is quite an accurate description of how it progressed for me in that short amount of time. Still, overall I loved it more than anything else in the family outside of MXE
 
isn't the mania/no feelings of fear one of the best things about the 3-meo dissos? idk about you but I love feeling like the baddest mother fucker alive..... cocaine mania is shit compared to 3-meo-pcp/pce + small amount of stim mania

hate the strange gait you get (but I get it from every disso), but it goes away fast if you're not dosing all the time

as for the brain fog.... the worst brain fog i had was from ssris (and anxiety, inabilty to feel anything, problems with my dick and bad wds (and I still don't feel 100% right and low dose antipsyhotics (not to mention they made me extremely aggressive (only lasted for a day or less), unable to form words (lasted a few days) and bad extrapyramidal side effects which lasted for a week after only a day on them).... oh I got them from a psych for anxiety---- didnt work...... no drug ever gave me sides that bad

another psych wanted to up my lyrica to 300mg, asked why since I don't get more relief but the chance of addiction/sides is higher... no explanation

another one said i'm probably anxious from taking eth-lad on the weekend before.... asked how could i be anxious my entire life from that

my gp gives me 3x25mg lyrica and low doe diazepam every so often (told her that i can buy grams of stronger and funner benzos to get high) and that the diazepan is strictly for medical issues (got 30x2mg in september and ran out this month... have an appointment tomorrow and ask for more.....
 
O-PCE has become the closest one to MXE for me. Tried like 5-6 times now, doses ranging from 10-40mg. Redosing is making the trip extremely long, so I'm trying to stick to one dose only. My sweet spot is 35-40mg (sublingual). I have few questions for more experienced users.

When I did my research first, the doses people were saying it is strong were like 15-20mg. Seeing that I really liked 35-40, is this too much? (Lests consider the source is trustworth and the o-pce is of high quality) Because I don't have any tolerance.

During my last trip, I put my mask on (https://azarius.net/images/resize/large/06377-11-mindfold.jpg) you can open your eyes without any disturbance from the mask, it is pitch dark. Few seconds later I lost the feeling of my body totally, it was like floating in the space, felt like I was actually in an infinite black area. Is this hole?
 
Holes come in different shapes and sizes so to speak =D They can be quite different experiences when compared, but IMO what defines and unites them all is pretty much completely severed connection with the outside world.

You took a compound that apparently has holing potential, and added sensory deprivation... that is a pretty good recipe :) But it's not like it isn't possible to walk around eyes open and be in a hole, if the person in question is *completely* elsewhere, all but physically.. that all qualifies wouldn't you agree?

I guess semantics on this matter vary between cultures, individuals, etc - but personally I would suggest that if you wanna get technical it's best to pretend it's similar to checking off DSM criteria (in this case pertaining to severance of interaction: dissociation of the internal mental compound from sensory interaction).

Haven't holed very much as of recent (since things like 3-MeO-PCP don't lend themselves so safely for it as K which I used years ago), but I recall discussions involving people that IMO mistake the appearance of someone holing for the actual experience: you don't have to be anaesthesized lying somewhere unresponsive for it to be a hole - that is merely the expectation of a spectator. The person who is dissociated really doesn't care experientially whether he is immobilized or not - as long as it's a completely internal experience (so yes progressive unresponsiveness is certainly a big indicator thats true, since that is inevitable if interactions with the world are severed, both ways).

I liked my mindfold, but I competely wore it down ;p

There is a 'what is a k-hole?' thread if you follow the PD psychedelic Index, go to the ketamine thread and find the subtread in the OP, I'm pretty certain.
 
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2 trials with this one and not sure what to think

It becomes very hard to walk I know that, and I also know that it kinda killed a really good ald-52 trip, so if your thinking it may potentiate a psych like MXE it does not
 
Is it too early to ask for a Erowid style overview of dosage and duration?
 
Solipsis said:
Holes come in different shapes and sizes so to speak =D They can be quite different experiences when compared, but IMO what defines and unites them all is pretty much completely severed connection with the outside world.

You took a compound that apparently has holing potential, and added sensory deprivation... that is a pretty good recipe :) But it's not like it isn't possible to walk around eyes open and be in a hole, if the person in question is *completely* elsewhere, all but physically.. that all qualifies wouldn't you agree?

I guess semantics on this matter vary between cultures, individuals, etc - but personally I would suggest that if you wanna get technical it's best to pretend it's similar to checking off DSM criteria (in this case pertaining to severance of interaction: dissociation of the internal mental compound from sensory interaction).

Haven't holed very much as of recent (since things like 3-MeO-PCP don't lend themselves so safely for it as K which I used years ago), but I recall discussions involving people that IMO mistake the appearance of someone holing for the actual experience: you don't have to be anaesthesized lying somewhere unresponsive for it to be a hole - that is merely the expectation of a spectator. The person who is dissociated really doesn't care experientially whether he is immobilized or not - as long as it's a completely internal experience (so yes progressive unresponsiveness is certainly a big indicator thats true, since that is inevitable if interactions with the world are severed, both ways).

I liked my mindfold, but I competely wore it down ;p

There is a 'what is a k-hole?' thread if you follow the PD psychedelic Index, go to the ketamine thread and find the subtread in the OP, I'm pretty certain.
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Thanks so much for the thorough reply sir, much appreciated :D In that case my experience was definitely not a hole, but more like a dream like state enchanced by sensory deprivation. Yet I really liked it actually.
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
2 trials with this one and not sure what to think

It becomes very hard to walk I know that, and I also know that it kinda killed a really good ald-52 trip, so if your thinking it may potentiate a psych like MXE it does not
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that's true for you, don't generalize. I only take this one with psychedelics and they sinergize better than anything I ever tried. Also, hardcore dissociation + hardcore visuals.
 
As of late, when I use ALD-52, I tend to use Eticyclidone alongside it.

1P-LSD was okay with it.

Combined great with 4-Aco-DMT. The tail end of it went great with 5-MeO-MiPT.

Was not a big fan of it with 4-OH-MET.

It's very fun with 5-MeO-DMT.
 
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As of late, when I use ALD-52, I tend to use Eticyclidone alongside it. 1P-LSD was okay with it. Combined great with 4-Aco-DMT. The tail end of it went great with 5-MeO-MiPT. Was not a big fan of it with 4-OH-MET. It's very fun with 5-MeO-DMT.
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I can report insane sinergy between 4-AcO-DET/4-HO-MET/ETH-LAD/LSD + 3-MeO-PCP/o-PCE. I tried some combinations and I always seemed to enjoy an awesome trip. I would never reach those highs with only psychedelics, or only o-PCE. I feel it's a tool for combining.
 
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MSK said:
well, the magic of 3-meo-pcp is not beeing at all like ketamine or MXE. It can't be seen as a replacement for anything ;P The same for nearly everything, though, looking for sustitutions is looking for deception
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In my experience, 3-MeO-PCP could be seen as a replacement for DXM. I find them to be very similar, but 3-MeO-PCP has way less nausea and negative body load.
 
Well I did take it 7 hours after eating the ald-52, so that could of been why I didn't notice....I was over the peak for sure
 
what do you think about taking probiotic with 2-oxo-pce, would it smooth its antiobiotic properties.
 
Also is special note in this material....sex was spectacular, mind blowing insane

Which is weird cause I can't even get hard with MXE

This stuff is pretty neat.....
 
Jaw Clenching said:
In my experience, 3-MeO-PCP could be seen as a replacement for DXM. I find them to be very similar, but 3-MeO-PCP has way less nausea and negative body load.
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That's interesting to read, anyone can relate to this as well? Never tried DXM because I'm not into drinking excipients and nausea, but if the high is something a disso connoisseur must try, I'll probably try to score some pure powder.
 
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