Alright thanks !
Guess i'll add ALLAD and 2cb then. Ketamine i only do at home to come down with a movie or two
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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion
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Allylbenzene
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Shulgin reported the combination of a 5-HT2A agonist with α2-adrenergic & imidazoline-1 agonism to produce entactogenic effects. He used 2C-B-FLY with rilmenidine (reduces BP) but agmatine is a fair otc alternative with its own psychoactive properties (α2-adrenergic & imidazoline-1 agonist, NMDA antagonist, sigma-1 agonist).
With these vasoconstrictors its probably a good idea to have niacin (nicotinic acid) on hand. It's a fairly potent fast acting vasodilator.
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Bitchniggaz
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Could probably help, ive nvr felt it being a huge issue at the doses ive done though.
I beleive ive done up to 3.5mg of DOC.
But you def feel it in a different way compared to lets say LSD.
Leprechaun
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I was just thinking of using this as a low dose smart drug. Anyone had experience with 0.5mg-0.75mg dose range?
I love up to 0,5mg for a very casual social gathering, but i wouldn't want to be in a place where i have to be concentrating.
Leprechaun
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Excellent, thanks for the suggestions.
I just recently did a 0.375mg DOB experience, started it at 4am, was essentially already out by 4pm. Excellent all round experience and easily repeatable. Something for any occasion. No trouble sleeping and felt very satisfied at the end.
I'll do 0.375mg DOC to start. I'll do a series of tests on both and report back via trip reports.
Leprechaun
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In regards to "concentrating", what is it you find would take away from being able to concentrate. For instance, creative writing would need you to concentrate enough to write. Would 0.5mg be too much to write?
I took my 0.25 mg during a spring break between quarters at university. I wanted to dip my toes, considering it was a new class of drug and it could last for so very long. I planned to spend the day deep cleaning the apartment, if the experience allowed.
I do recall feeling pretty spacey for some moments and feeling like concentration required more effort. I also had those paradoxical feelings of weakness amidst boundless energy common with other trippy things. For lack of a better description, it had a very distinct and rather "chemical" buzz. I felt like I could almost taste in in my mouth. Visually, everything took on a kind of blueish cast as if being illuminated from a hidden lamp. I was aware of more perspiration than usual.
I succeeded in my cleaning activities, washing the kitchen and appliances from top to bottom and vacuuming all the floors including under/behind furniture. Later that day, I was happy to be finished and was feeling sore but still had energy as though none of that had happened. Sleep was difficult and restless, and I still felt some effect in the morning. Even a few days later, I felt like it was still lingering in my body and affecting me subtly. I was a bit concerned by how long it felt like my body needed to clear it.
I haven't tried DOC since then, but I do hope to give it another shot some day. Next time I'll probably do 0.25 mg again and see if I can get a more pleasant effect from it in a better setting. Regardless, I anticipate that it will be quite stimulating, so I'll want to be able to spend much of my day being physically active if possible and then be able to recover afterwards.
I do recall feeling pretty spacey for some moments and feeling like concentration required more effort. I also had those paradoxical feelings of weakness amidst boundless energy common with other trippy things. For lack of a better description, it had a very distinct and rather "chemical" buzz. I felt like I could almost taste in in my mouth. Visually, everything took on a kind of blueish cast as if being illuminated from a hidden lamp. I was aware of more perspiration than usual.
I succeeded in my cleaning activities, washing the kitchen and appliances from top to bottom and vacuuming all the floors including under/behind furniture. Later that day, I was happy to be finished and was feeling sore but still had energy as though none of that had happened. Sleep was difficult and restless, and I still felt some effect in the morning. Even a few days later, I felt like it was still lingering in my body and affecting me subtly. I was a bit concerned by how long it felt like my body needed to clear it.
I haven't tried DOC since then, but I do hope to give it another shot some day. Next time I'll probably do 0.25 mg again and see if I can get a more pleasant effect from it in a better setting. Regardless, I anticipate that it will be quite stimulating, so I'll want to be able to spend much of my day being physically active if possible and then be able to recover afterwards.
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what's the deal with getting older and doc vasoconstriction? is there anything to watch for with that?
Watch your dose, that's for sure! I've never heard of age having anything to do with it, but obviously older people are on average likely to have greater health risks. For many if not most people, DOC has a pretty low safety margin compared to other popular psychedelics. Proper measurement techniques are essential, and I'd be wary of consuming DOC blotters or tablets without know that they were prepared with care to prevent hot spotting. Start low and increase the dose gradually with sufficient time in between for tolerance to recover. Also, avoid re-dosing to prolong trips as side-effects can stack up faster than the effects sought after.