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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Xorkoth said:
I find it to be very utilitarian and also fun, it's not super deep like tryptamines or, say, 2C-E, but it has a great amount of emotional depth. I've had several very important trips on it, two this summer as I was processing some very intense stuff, which really helped me to get past some blockages.
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Funny that you mention this. Some of my most important trips have been on festivals, experiencing strong euphoria while dancing my ass off on MDMA and LSD. The purpose of these trips was always just recreational but they often turned out very significant. It led me to the conclusion that I shouldn't look at these aspects as mutually exclusive, and that there is something deep to be gotten from dancing, fun and euphoria. I like DOC for these exact reasons, although I don't use it very often because of the long duration. It's one of my favorite psychedelics, along with LSD.
 
Yeah my important trips on it were also for the purpose of recreation, interestingly the most important one was at a Phish show where I just danced and got my face blasted by the music. The euphoria combined with an introspective mindspace and emotional opening led me to break through some barriers that were holding me back, including but not limited to the final letting go and acceptance of the demise of my marriage.

crmt28 said:
I'm planning to try DOC soon, at maybe 4mg.

From what I've read, it seems like a very benign substance, with a very clean and comfortable body high. But the nausea and body load on the comeup that is sometimes reported seems to worry me a bit.

I was thinking about using ginger root, would that do any help?

For me, LSD only gives some light, but really annoying muscle tension throught the entire trip, with no noticeable vasoconstriction and absolutely no nausea, except for a slightly upset stomatch at the comeup. How does DOC compare? Should I be expecting the side effects to be anything too different?
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It is quite benign, I will say that at the beginning it has more bodyload than LSD usually (sometimes it has virtually none at any time). Usually during the come-up and beginning stages there is a lot of energy coursing through my limbs and it causes me to squirm. I have noticed that when I take it and then go hiking, or swimming, or anything else physical out in nature, the energy is channeled well and aside from the come-up always feeling a bit alien/unsettling until I get used to it, those come-ups tend to be quite easy. When I take it and sit around while I come up it can get pretty hectic, for example the last time I did it I almost wished I hadn't taken it for about 3 hours until I got out of the house and started doing stuff, although since I am experienced with it I knew that would pass and I'd be glad I had taken it (I was).

One of the main differences between DOC and LSD is that DOC never makes me feel out of control or afraid... it's a very enabling type of substance. Even if I'm uncomfortable because of the initial energy of it, I can still talk to people normally, maintain my cool, etc. With LSD sometimes you can get really far out there and fear starts to creep in, and this has never once happened with DOC even when I hadn't used it before.

Also, DOC just gets more and more comfortable as time goes on. By the end stages it's sublime for me, always. With many other psychedelics, towards the end it can turn into annoying residual stimulation and can be difficult to deal with, but DOC just gets cleaner and cleaner feeling as it goes on.

I sometimes get some nausea from DOC... generally if I try to eat something too soon before or during the come-up, I get a bit nauseous. In the past I have thrown up from it and then felt better but it's been a long time since I've thrown up from anything. If I have an empty stomach it tends to hit me faster and the come-up can be slightly more intense but the nausea isn't really an issue. If I eat something a couple of hours beforehand it seems to go best and my stomach might feel a bit fluttery during the come-up but that's it. DOC produces vasconstriction in some people, it's only bad for me if I abuse it.

My favorite dose is 3.5mg... 4mg is noticeably stronger. At 3.5mg I can function during all the parts of the trip but at 4-4.5mg sometimes the peak makes me relatively unable to function and I just have to immerse in music or something. And the peak is LONG, so keep that in mind. I would start at 3 or 3.5mg, it will be a strong trip. If you're generally sensitive to phenethylamines then I'd start even lower.
 
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Not to pry Xorkoth, but how often do you trip this stuff? You seem to be VERY well versed with it. I would love to have more time with it, however....
 
I have in the past tripped on it very excessively, days in a row, multiple times a week, etc. But it's my all-around favorite psychedelic so even now I use it more than any other. This summer I used it most weeks for a few months and then stopped doing that because it started feeling excessive. Lately it's been occasionally, 2 times in the past 30 days I would say. I've probably tripped on it hundreds of times in total since 2006/2007, and I have almost surely used it more than any other psychedelic. It just feels like a perfect fit in my brain, or as perfect as it gets anyway. So it's not a big deal for me to use it because there are very few negatives other than sometimes feeling uncomfortable at the beginning, no hangover, just a nice state of mind the next day. A lot of my trips have been low to moderate dosages as an aid to activities such as hiking, camping, socializing, etc. Often when I take it I take it in the morning, do some hiking or river exploring, and then in the evening go to a gathering of friends, and by that time it's reached the hyper-social plateau stage and it increases my enjoyment of the event.

Note that I'm not saying anyone should do that... just being honest. Psychedelics are best when you don't use them too often.

I also know people who feel that it taxes them quite a bit... we're all different.
 
Very interesting, thank you. I've hiked on shrooms a handful of times, but never with DOC. Maybe that'll be on the menu in the future. Time is everything with this and setting a very close second
 
i suspect i would love it...
love lysergamides at any dose and nbomes in small doses, this sounds like it's in between
 
Does any body else bcides me become very forgetful when tripping on doc? I find that it can be quite hard to have a interment conversation without totally losing my train of thought. I find doc I good for festivals because of the long duration and not being able to lose my train of thought. I find doc is only good for festivals because of the long duration and not being able to sleep afterwards. ��
 
No, actually I find DOC to be very mentally focusing. I feel as if I can do things better than usual. Sometimes during the come-up I get scattered but once that passes I become very focused in conversation, work, thought, etc. In fact that's one of the reasons I use it.

Depends on the dose though, I use 3-3.5mg usually. At higher dosages I could see it getting a bit too hectic to carry on normal trains of thought.
 
What time do you tend to drop in the morning? I usually wake up at 4-4:30 to tinkle (yup, I'm a kid) and then just lay in bed till I can't anymore. Would you dose then, and wake up zooming, or wait till you actually want to start your day to dose?
 
^ Dosing early in the morning and then going back to sleep is a great idea, because you sleep through the come-up waiting period so less anxiety about that, and because you started sooner it makes it easier to get to bed at a normal time that night (DOC gives you at least 12 hours of stimulation).
 
I usually dose between 10am and noon... but I usually plan to stay up late when I dose DOC too, and hang out with people/party (I like ending the trip with socializing/partying). If I am attending some event where I want to be on DOC, I usually dose it 6-8 hours beforehand. When I went to see Phish I dosed DOC at 1pm and we got to the show at 8, and I fully immersed in it at the start of the second set (which was like 9, 9:30)
 
Xorkoth, does DOC "taste" similar to 2C-C to you? As in, there's a certain similar feel or maybe even smell that accompanies each one?
 
I have only tasted 2C-C once so I couldn't say. I never got a strong trip from 2C-C so I can't even say whether they feel similar. Likely there are similarities.
 
I have just obtained my own quantities of DOC, after months of careful emailing and patience.
What would you recommend to use to weigh out a sample dose to test for allergies? Anything under 0.05 on the scale I'm assuming.
Do you put the weighed out substance in alcohol before consumption? Water would work just as well if you are taking it right away, right? Just mix it in, hold under your tongue and go? ;)
Is there a link for harm reduction for weighing these delicate chemicals? I have a .01 scale and was thinking of doing .1 into a water/alcohol tincture.

I am also under a very small amount of Zoloft/sertraline, and I hope this does not affect the duration of the trip.
 
You could dissolve 0.1g (100mg) into 100mL of water (or alcohol but distilled water should be fine) and then just measure however many mL's you want knowing each mL = 1mg. You could use higher amounts of water to make it easier to measure out smaller amounts, or you could just use a syringe with units on it and measure out 0.1mL to do an allergy test.
 
Drew. said:
I have just obtained my own quantities of DOC, after months of careful emailing and patience.
What would you recommend to use to weigh out a sample dose to test for allergies? Anything under 0.05 on the scale I'm assuming.
Do you put the weighed out substance in alcohol before consumption? Water would work just as well if you are taking it right away, right? Just mix it in, hold under your tongue and go? ;)
Is there a link for harm reduction for weighing these delicate chemicals? I have a .01 scale and was thinking of doing .1 into a water/alcohol tincture.

I am also under a very small amount of Zoloft/sertraline, and I hope this does not affect the duration of the trip.
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Be careful with the unit of measure of your scale. If your scale is only accurate to .01 grams, your "allergy test" of anything under .05 is actually a massive overdose equal to about 10 strong doses. A typical fully psychedelic dose of DOC is somewhere in the 2 to 5 milligram range, which would read as 0.002 to 0.005 grams (note that unless yours is extremely expensive, it is probably not sensitive enough to accurately weigh amounts this small). DOC is noticeably active with as little as 500 to 800 micrograms, which would be 0.0005 to 0.0008 grams. Watch those decimals!
 
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The harm reduction for this is to weigh out a much larger dose and dissolve it into an amount of alcohol, and liquid dose it with an oral syringe. However you really need a .001g scale (these can be bought on Amazon for $20-$30, the AWS Gemini-20 is sufficient, it's what I use). Weigh out, say, 30mg (.03g) and dissolve it in 30mL of alcohol or a water/alcohol mix. Then every mL contains 1mg, and even if your weight is slightly off each mL will only be slightly off. You can get an oral syringe from a pharmacy if you ask for one, or you can usually buy them there too for $1-$2. They have markings on the side so you can reliably suck up the dose you want. If you wanted to take 2mg, you'd take 2mL. An allergy test of DOC would be maybe .5mg (500 micrograms), and it's a good idea to start there.

Scales usually have a margin of error of +/- 2 units... so a .001g scale that is reading .030 might actually be .028 to .032. But your .01g scale, if it reads .03, might be anywhere from .01 to .05! With DOC this is a dangerous and unacceptable level of variance.

Zoloft shouldn't affect the duration but it may affect the strength... some people find it does, some don't. It won't block it completely but it may dull it, or it may not.
 
Perfect, thanks a lot! I'm glad I ordered an AWS Gemini Milligram Scale 20g x 0.001 . I will definitely provide reports on findings and appreciate the support always provided on this forum!
Do you think this would be a good drug to use and melt into the couch? From what I've researched it seems to provide a tense-alert sensation for twelve hours at least, with heavy body loads during the long come up.
But I read reports in here and there are claims of it being very relaxing, and some don't wish to move at all.
All depending on dose and the RC itself? Opinions?
I have used many drugs before, and will be planning my first voyage to DOC-land solo.
 
I've had experiences over a year ago, my first, 1mg, I was fairly sedentary, but moved around casually. Later that summer, I did about 2 mgs and went on a guided hike that was 5 hours long. I would say the first two-three hours are the most uncomfortable. Tomorrow morning, between 3&4 in the AM, I'll be dropping about 3mgs. I'll actually try to write up a report about it as well as actually put information in my profile. Hopefully.
 
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