The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 2)

[sean107]

Not addictive, really. But some might chase the stimulant effects like people have with NBOMe. I don't suspect that the head space and duration from DOC would allow an addiction though I could be wrong as I haven't tried it.

 

[《Plasticity》]

I tried DOC for the first time yesterday and was pretty let down . The experience, while incredibly smooth, was very hollow. I took 3mgs which I could tell was a decent dose as the visuals were very intense but there was absolutely NO sort of body high/euphoria/music appreciation and the headspace was weak but incredibly strange and at times uncomfortable at times. I was for the most part completely clearheaded, almost sober like, but every once in a while I'd pick up a complex idea but as I would try and expand and go deeper into the subject the thought would dissapear and I'd completely loose the idea, this happened several times throughout the trip and led to confusion and mild anxiety evertime it happened. Also the trip seemed to melt into the backround, for example, if I was watching tv everything seemed normal as if I were sober in a way but as soon as I would look away the visuals would get really intense within 5-10 seconds.

The visuals were very much 2c-c like for me, beautifully colorfull, hollographic, cathedral style phenethylamine visuals. What was also very strange is I felt no stimulation, in fact the majority of the trip consisted of lying on my bed relaxing, occasionally adding high doses of cannabis and kratom to add euphoria to the DOC. Kratom does nothing to interfere with DOC and only adds a nice body high so I would highly reccomend the combo. Overall the duration was at least 20 hours. I went to sleep at t+14 with the not so needed help of 2mgs etizolam and slept very well. I woke up at t+20 in withdrawal (as usual :/) and noticed some patterning going on but fell right back asleep after a 1.5g maintenence dose of kratom and slept til 1pm lol. I will say that tolerance may have influenced the trip as I recently had an aMT+4-aco-dmt trip prior to the trip. Call me crazy but I feel aMT is the superior long lasting chem IMO. What aMT lacks mentally it makes up for body wise, its also incredibly easy to add more visuals and headspace to an aMT by adding a medium dose deep/visual chem to the mix but hard to mix a decent empathogen to DOC, MDxx would make me crash during the trip and an APB seems risky.

 

[Spacemonkey5000]

Ive always found doc to be very dreamy and euphoric in good doses.

But set n setting is huge and i wouldnt dose it at home unless i have at least a gram of K to blow through my nose.

The duration requires something to do like a festival or ar least a sunny day with friends.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

I've been toying with the idea of insufflating DOC. I know this has been vaguely discussed earlier in this thread but wanted to confirm a safe starting dose. I remember reading someone saying its about 3x more potent. Would 1.5mgs be safe if I reacted fine when taking 5mgs sublingually?

 

[ThaDudeAbides]

DOC is amazing. I've taken 2mg-75mg doses and have had life changing experiences. I think DOC has all the positives of LSD and MDMA without the negatives. I feel like I can make oceans move. Walk right through them as if I was Jesus. I did however have ONE bad experience where the audio was too intense I heard sound from everything in my house and had to take some benzos. It's been over a year since I took DOC. It's on the top of my list and I'd even rate it above LSD. I've eaten enough LSD (a few bibles) and DOC was more amazing than any LSD trip to me. But I still love LSD and what it did for me. Same with MDMA. DOC is a truly magical substance and one that MUST be respected. Just when you think you know everything about it, BOOM 1mg can send you to another planet. Whereas 10mg can be a great time. It's a very unique compound and I find that it's very unpredictable what kind of trip you will experience from it.

DOC should be in every psychonaut's tackle box.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

75mgs?

 

[《Plasticity》]

Dude wtf, 75mgs? I'm sorry but I have to call bs, I can't imagine the vasoconstriction at that level. Also I would never take DOC at a festival, their was absolutely no euphoria, music was bland, and there was little to no stimulation. For me DOC would be the worst festival drug ever. Tbh I think the set and setting were as perfectly suited for the exerience as it can get, all I wanted to do was lay down, relax, watch the visuals, and try and go deep. Unfortunately DOC failed to take me far. Next time I try DOC I'll up the dose and have a tolerance break.

 

[ThaDudeAbides]

Dude wtf, 75mgs? I'm sorry but I have to call bs, I can't imagine the vasoconstriction at that level. Also I would never take DOC at a festival, their was absolutely no euphoria, music was bland, and there was little to no stimulation. For me DOC would be the worst festival drug ever. Tbh I think the set and setting were as perfectly suited for the exerience as it can get, all I wanted to do was lay down, relax, watch the visuals, and try and go deep. Unfortunately DOC failed to take me far. Next time I try DOC I'll up the dose and have a tolerance break.

Nope NOT bullshit. FACT. I will admit I think over doing it for a year caused nerve damage. I believe in high doses their is metallic toxicity. I have pain in the bottoms of my feet and last year had to walk in sneakers at work instead of my usual work shoes. The pain comes and goes, but mainly is most painful during the cold months like today. I've been taking MXE to help numb the pain.

You can say BS all you want, but I vended this compound long enough and at once point it was at the top of my list. I was doing it every weekend in ranges of 10-15mg because it hits you very fast that way instead of the usual 2-3hour comeup from a 2-4mg dose.

I DO NOT recommend anyone do what I did. I was simply sharing my experience. You don't know me.

DOC IMO is GREAT for music. So I personally WOULD find it great at a festival. Everyone is different.

 

[sean107]

^ I got that pain feeling in my feet last winter from misusing NBOMe last winter as well, high enough doses would even cause swelling and dis-coloring of feet. I'd say its believable with tolerance.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Nope NOT bullshit. FACT. I will admit I think over doing it for a year caused nerve damage. I believe in high doses their is metallic toxicity. I have pain in the bottoms of my feet and last year had to walk in sneakers at work instead of my usual work shoes. The pain comes and goes, but mainly is most painful during the cold months like today. I've been taking MXE to help numb the pain.

You can say BS all you want, but I vended this compound long enough and at once point it was at the top of my list. I was doing it every weekend in ranges of 10-15mg because it hits you very fast that way instead of the usual 2-3hour comeup from a 2-4mg dose.

I DO NOT recommend anyone do what I did. I was simply sharing my experience. You don't know me.

DOC IMO is GREAT for music. So I personally WOULD find it great at a festival. Everyone is different.

Don't take offense, I was calling it bs in a sort of "Hard to believe" way. That pain in your feet is likely due to the vaskconstriction, the main reason I found it hard to believe someone would be able to take 75mgs but it seems more believable that you didn't leave unscaved. I've only taken DOC once so I can't judge the charactee or the drug but for me the trip was incredibly hollow at 3mgs and their was certainly NO body high, as has been said everyones different.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

^If you didnt already, you should try smoking some MJ during your next DOC trip. I also found this chem to be pretty dull until I took a few tokes of strawberry cough, smoking really brought out the MDMA like body high everyone speaks of. If you felt comfortable I would also suggest dosing a little higher, my 2 and 3mg trips weren't anything special but 5-6mgs is quite nice. Adding some 4-AcO-DMT also made for a sublime experience if you happen to have any lying around. DOC/LSD is an amazing combo aswell but I'm sure most people who are planning on taking LSD arent too worried about DOC.

 

[《Plasticity》]

^If you didnt already, you should try smoking some MJ during your next DOC trip. I also found this chem to be pretty dull until I took a few tokes of strawberry cough, smoking really brought out the MDMA like body high everyone speaks of. If you felt comfortable I would also suggest dosing a little higher, my 2 and 3mg trips were'nt anything special but 5-6mgs is quite nice. Adding some 4-AcO-DMT also made for a sublime experience if you happen to have any lying around. DOC/LSD is an amazing combo aswell but I'm sure most people who are planning on taking LSD arent too worried about DOC.

I probably went through 1.5 grams of top shelf bud and over a half oz of kratom trying to fill in the gaps and it wasn't very effective, it felt exactly like A DOC trip with an opiate bodyhigh and droopy eyes lol. It was very much visual, equivalent to at least 200mcgs of L so I don't think the dose was too low...just not quite high enough but I'm afraid I'm just gonna be chasing something that's not their and keep upping the dose till my limbs are blue and I'm blinded by visuals. What really sucks is I had just ran out of 4-aco-dmt and had to resort to plugging a small dose of 2c-c which of course added very little to the trip.

I do have 4-ho-met on it's way but everyone speaks of the lack of headspace so I might have to pick up some mushies, although shrooms will add very little to the euphoria factor. Idk, I'm very picky and have strange taste in psychedelics. I like FULL psychedelic experiences ie: hedspace, euphoria, music appreciation, visuals...the whole nine yards which is why I tend to combo alot. If I'm gonna be tripping for 20 hours then damn it I want it to keep my interest and at 3mgs DOC didn't seem to do that. My next dose will be either 4-5mgs, still deciding... Oh and I have access to L but I like to keep my L experiences "pure" although I wouldn't mind mixing it with DOC once I'm more familiar with it. I've just heard lots of people comparing DOC to classics which is whag sparked my interest, well that and the fact that I like to try different flavors of the psychedelic pallete (sp?)

 

[ThaDudeAbides]

Don't take offense, I was calling it bs in a sort of "Hard to believe" way. That pain in your feet is likely due to the vaskconstriction, the main reason I found it hard to believe someone would be able to take 75mgs but it seems more believable that you didn't leave unscaved. I've only taken DOC once so I can't judge the charactee or the drug but for me the trip was incredibly hollow at 3mgs and their was certainly NO body high, as has been said everyones different.

Thanks for the reply and clarifying the BS comment. I think you are dead on about the pain in my feet. It sucks now as even doing shrooms gives me the same reaction. I can't trip very often anymore as the pain in my feet is simply too much to deal with.

Bummer you haven't gotten the sparkle from DOC I and many others have. I find it gives amazing audio and visuals. Listening music is simply divine. Sex is AMAZING on it! The orgasm is very very strong and I found the recovery time to get hard again lessens. It's a great drug for sex or just hanging around watching porn doing a wanking marathon LOL.

The visuals are great for nature walks too. I find evergreens to be the most enjoyable to view. I can just lay on the grass for hours, starring at the sky and the beauty that is mother earth. It also gets me hugging trees like good L does.

BTW my ROA is oral and my method is distilled water and a water syringe. I usually make it a 2:1 ratio, or sometimes 4:1 depending on how much DOC I have on hand. It's a very sticky substance I've found. Unless I have grams of it on hand, I will usually make 100mg mixes. I've also found taking it with an energy drink helps increase the onset as well. Kinda of like doing coke and H together. The coke accelerates the H and makes it hit you much harder and faster.

I've never bought it on blotter as I don't trust people to do it proper. I like being in control of the mixture and dosing it myself. You just gotta make sure you shake the living shit out of the container it's in so you make sure your ratio is as accurate as possible.

 

[Axed]

^If you didnt already, you should try smoking some MJ during your next DOC trip. I also found this chem to be pretty dull until I took a few tokes of strawberry cough, smoking really brought out the MDMA like body high everyone speaks of. If you felt comfortable I would also suggest dosing a little higher, my 2 and 3mg trips weren't anything special but 5-6mgs is quite nice. Adding some 4-AcO-DMT also made for a sublime experience if you happen to have any lying around. DOC/LSD is an amazing combo aswell but I'm sure most people who are planning on taking LSD arent too worried about DOC.

4-AcO-DMT + DOC is a really lovely combo! I think I did 5mg of DOC and then added 20mg of 4-AcO near the peak, it made the visuals pretty wild.

But I've gotten some of my most intense visuals from DOC, especially when I add some weed into the mix. I love the chem, it does have a LSD-like feel, but I hate the 8-10 hours of residual stimulation.

 

[Bigazznugz]

hey all I just wanted to say that I really do like this drug. the visuals are insane very nice waves of euphoria. but does anybody know how to shorten the duration of this f****** s***. I mean don't get me wrong I love this trip it is great 2 milligrams is easily close to a week hit of LSD. but after that 18 hour mark the drug starts to wear off and I'm left with insomnia for at least another 24 hours. I mean it doesn't matter how many benzos I take or how many ambien I take I'm left with this f****** insomnia anybody experience with this compound do you have any tricks on how you guys can get to sleep afterwards

 

[ThaDudeAbides]

hey all I just wanted to say that I really do like this drug. the visuals are insane very nice waves of euphoria. but does anybody know how to shorten the duration of this f****** s***. I mean don't get me wrong I love this trip it is great 2 milligrams is easily close to a week hit of LSD. but after that 18 hour mark the drug starts to wear off and I'm left with insomnia for at least another 24 hours. I mean it doesn't matter how many benzos I take or how many ambien I take I'm left with this f****** insomnia anybody experience with this compound do you have any tricks on how you guys can get to sleep afterwards

Benzos. Xanax works best and fastest to get to back to near baseline. Etizolam along with it will help you get some sleep.

 

[zn13bt]

Or take it earlier in the day....like first thing when you wake up before eating breakfast.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Benzos. Xanax works best and fastest to get to back to near baseline. Etizolam along with it will help you get some sleep.

I mean it doesn't matter how many benzos I take or how many ambien I take

I totally agree though, a couple etiz, some good herb, and a cup of kratom/or an opiate and its lights out regardless of the substance.

 

[pharmakos]

Or take it earlier in the day....like first thing when you wake up before eating breakfast.

there were a couple times where i set my alarm for like 5 or 6AM, took my dose, then went back to sleep for two or three hours. that tended to work out pretty well, though the first minute or two upon re-awakening was sorta confusing.

 

[《Plasticity》]

there were a couple times where i set my alarm for like 5 or 6AM, took my dose, then went back to sleep for two or three hours. that tended to work out pretty well, though the first minute or two upon re-awakening was sorta confusing.

Waking up tripping is freaking weird! Well at least when you don't expect it, one time I was sharing a trailer with some friends at a festival and one of those assholes soaked a blotter in my water jug on the side of my bed. Needless to say I was freaked when I woke up tripping, can't say I minded though as it was good acid and I planned on eating some that day anyways. Sounds like a good plan for dosing something like DOC though.

If your one of the people who get nausea and plan on doing this please lay on your stomach, you don't wanna choke on your vomit.